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Posted: 12 October 2012 09:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 91 ]
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TimG - 12 October 2012 09:10 AM

Bare legs and the stapless top on Wonder Woman never bothered me, unless it was drawn as a thong and the top was really low cut. Terry Dodson drew her fairly well covered and it looked good. I liked Power Girl’s costume, too, especially how it was drawn by Amanda Conner.

I don’t like it when a female hero who isn’t invulnerable is drawn showing a lot of skin, though. Huntress in hotpants and a belly shirt doesn’t make sense. She should be wearing lightweight, flexible body armor.

Amen to that! She’s human for crying out loud and can’t afford to slip up.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 09:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 92 ]
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THIS Wonder Woman is quite well-covered. LOL

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Posted: 12 October 2012 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 93 ]
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I like this - her bottom is covered, her breasts aren’t in danger of popping out. It’s sexy, but strong and looks like she can move well in it.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 09:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 94 ]
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Knight22179 - 12 October 2012 09:13 AM
TimG - 12 October 2012 09:10 AM

Bare legs and the stapless top on Wonder Woman never bothered me, unless it was drawn as a thong and the top was really low cut. Terry Dodson drew her fairly well covered and it looked good. I liked Power Girl’s costume, too, especially how it was drawn by Amanda Conner.

I don’t like it when a female hero who isn’t invulnerable is drawn showing a lot of skin, though. Huntress in hotpants and a belly shirt doesn’t make sense. She should be wearing lightweight, flexible body armor.

Amen to that! She’s human for crying out loud and can’t afford to slip up.

I always thought The Huntress should wear something along the likes of Batman’s or Nightwing’s armored outfits. Not only would it be more functional but to be honest she would look just as hot in a skin tight suit as she would half naked without exposing herself needlessly.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 95 ]
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1.  Which (or what sort of) superheroes/superheroines appeal the most to you, and why?

As a kid, I had a bit of a crush on the Adam West Batman-an upright guy who had a fun life in a fun universe and was clearly enjoying himself, but never let any of that get in the way of being a gentleman or being a crimefighter, as the situation required.

I like the Robert Downey Jr. Iron Man because he’s fun and funny and brilliant and has all the toys, but the films acknowledge that he’s pretty messed up in a lot of ways.  I also read a lot of Arthurian knight stories growing up, and so the idea of this dysfunctional man who puts on armor to try and save the day and hold himself to a higher standard than before spoke to that side of me.

I tend to be pretty tolerant of out-and-out vigilante crimefighters fighting mundane criminals, just because I understand the fears that led people to create heroes and anti-heroes like that.  I was in my teens, commuting to high school on a train in a large, not-hugely-safe city in another country, the first time I saw the Dirty Harry movies.  I’d love to see a rogue-vigilante movie starring the Anne Hathaway Catwoman.

The recent Thor, Captain America, and Batman movies were all cases where I didn’t feel that strongly about the main character but enjoyed the universes they inhabited and the points the filmmakers were trying to make. 

2.  Which (or what sort of) superheroes/superheroines turn you off, and why?

Social activist/social allegory superheroes.  I’m here for the escapism, not to be preached at.  I liked Wonder Woman better when she was Lynda Carter fighting Nazis/1970s mundanes with some sympathetic military guy loafing around in the background than when she’s living among the Amazons and the fans are hyping the latter as some kind of feminist utopia (or are being annoyed at the writers for not portraying it that way).  I tolerate the X-Men because they offset the preaching with alot of pure unadulterated superhero weirdness and soap opera.

I don’t like “superhero vs the military” storylines (unless you’re the Ang Lee Hulk, featuring Sam Elliott as the world’s most nuanced take on Gen. Ross), for reasons that are not appropriate to discuss on this forum.

3.  What sort of things do you look for in a superhero/ine? Is appearance everything to you, or how ‘badass’ s/he is (as in how good s/he is against his/her foes), or the kind of person s/he is (morally impeccable like Superman, or bad-tempered like the Hulk, or arrogant like Namor etc), or the concept of the superhero/ine (whether s/he’s a mutant, magic-based, uses all sorts of futuristic gadgets, is a god/dess etc), or a bit of all these?

Entertainment value, really.  I was only a moderate comics reader at best, but I’ve seen most of the mainstream superhero movies at the cheap theater (and sometimes the expensive theater) since Batman Forever.  If the good guys are likable, the bad guys are bad, and the spectacles are spectacular, I go home happy.  Appearance only matters if their outfits are some kind of power armor (which I like) or are vulgar enough (Batman and Robin, Halle Berry Catwoman) to where I’m uncomfortable watching them.  I prefer that they not be too self-righteous, because while the old school of actors were fairly good at portraying people who were earnest and well-intentioned and generally decent without being overly pompous (George Reeves, Adam West, Lynda Carter, Bill Bixby), the new school are generally *not*. 

4.  If YOU could have FOUR superpowers, what would they be?

Iron Man’s resources (brains, money, connections, trusted associates) plus Invisibility, plus a controllable form of the Hulkout (including the superjump/pseudoflight thing, and whatever it is that keeps the Hulk from actually killing innocent bystanders), plus magic hulk-resistant wardrobe.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 96 ]
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K T Ong - 12 October 2012 09:09 AM

To Shadowhawk:

Mind you, there have been guys dressed rather similarly to that! (Referring to the DZFashion suit.)

Which would surely be fairer. If we’re to dress up the gals in such deliciously provocative styles, why not the guys, too?

And here I agree with Knight, it’s just sexist that there wasn’t a single female GL!

I STILL love that cover.  I loved Tyroc he was such an interesting character but ended up getting lost in the bunch and eventually they made some excuse and sent he and his people to another dimension iirc… He was like the 31st Century “Banshee” but sexier!  cool smirk

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Posted: 12 October 2012 01:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 97 ]
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BUT I LOVE THE EYE CANDY!! Seriously you do have a point, I love the look but as far as functionality I am sure that running or fighting in high heels would be a HUGE pain in the backside! You are right on all the exposed skin to an extent as well, but if you could wear something that would provide a distraction to the male libido while you are beating him to a pulp, it sounds like a check in the plus column to me. My biggest thing right now is the whole Boob window for Power Girl. I love her old costume and really like the direction of her new one, bring back the boob window and it would be perfect! I love the flat heels that are integrated into the suit!

Shadowhawk, what do you think of guys wearing something that would provide a distraction to the female libido? smile

lface8 - 12 October 2012 02:53 AM

While true, the original comic the show was based off of was pretty grim and had a bit of a noir feel to it.

I know. That’s why I specified the (early) cartoon series!

I knew I was going to get asked that one! :facepalm: As long as I didn’t have to wear it I think it would be fair, but how many how many female supervillians are out there that would require that kind of distraction? Not big on the whole speedo thing but hey everyone has their own sense of fashion right? You aren’t going to ask me to wear the boob window leotard and high heels next are you? I would have to draw the line at that! I hear thongs are seriously uncomfortable! :cheezygrin:

They’re more comfortable than you might think. G-strings are actually better, though.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 98 ]
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K T Ong - 12 October 2012 12:34 AM

To Kattey:

Hey, I like heroes/heroines who are funny or a bit crazy too, or whose stories feature such elements. Storylines which are overly serious or grim do turn me off—life’s hard enough without reading or viewing material of that nature to make it even more sour than it already is.

Nextwave is almost absurd in this respect but it is very well written, so absurdity was never a problem for me with this series smile

And black-white no-compromise morality-that-often-depends-on-dress-choices is an even greater turn-off for me, too, though more with respect to the story/setting than the individual hero/ine in my case. Stories featuring this betray an utter lack of imagination.

In Freak’s Squeele which is a comic about superheroes but not in conventional sense, there is precisely one guy like that. He is an angel and he is sort of a villain so I was only happy when he got the trashing he deserved:p

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 99 ]
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This is one of my all time favorite covers.  Issue #241 and throwing in #242 too.  They are illustrated by James Sherman and Joe Rubinstein and of course features my fav Legionaire Cham on the first cover….. When these comics arrived to my house, back when I was in 11th grade living in Natrona Heights, PA I just stared at each one for like 10 minutes and finally realized that comic book art was just more than comic book art, it was hard core serious graphics that deserved more recognition than it was getting. 

Now in todays world we have heroes in comics, graphic novels, TV shows, movies, stickers, statues .... list goes on and on…

I think every fan has a defining moment when their eyes just go wide and their brains just go into WOW overdrive….

These two covers and issues that James and Joe drew of the Earth War Saga blew me out of the water.  What really pissed me off was they handed the art chores over to Joe Staton and David Hunt and Murphy Anderson to finish it off and I was .... well I was really really pissed off!  It’s no wonder it was never compiled.  The art went from excellent to very very cartoony.  I still have those issues but when I pick them up to browse through I’m elated at the James and Joe issues but still cringe looking through the final 3 issues by Joe Staton and company. 

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 100 ]
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I knew I was going to get asked that one! :facepalm: As long as I didn’t have to wear it I think it would be fair, but how many how many female supervillians are out there that would require that kind of distraction? Not big on the whole speedo thing but hey everyone has their own sense of fashion right? You aren’t going to ask me to wear the boob window leotard and high heels next are you? I would have to draw the line at that! I hear thongs are seriously uncomfortable! :cheezygrin:

They’re more comfortable than you might think. G-strings are actually better, though.

I will just take your word for it on that.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 03:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 101 ]
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shadowhawk1 - 13 October 2012 01:13 AM
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I knew I was going to get asked that one! :facepalm: As long as I didn’t have to wear it I think it would be fair, but how many how many female supervillians are out there that would require that kind of distraction? Not big on the whole speedo thing but hey everyone has their own sense of fashion right? You aren’t going to ask me to wear the boob window leotard and high heels next are you? I would have to draw the line at that! I hear thongs are seriously uncomfortable! :cheezygrin:

They’re more comfortable than you might think. G-strings are actually better, though.

I will just take your word for it on that.

I’m actually basing that on my wife’s comments about her bathing suits; I don’t wear anything like that, and the world is a much better-looking place for it. I have done thong/g-string type bottoms on a few characters, but most of my female characters are a lot more covered. A lot depends upon the character’s powers, and sometimes personality. I haven’t done any male characters in anything quite that revealing, but I do have a few who are showing some skin. Conversely, some of my characters (both genders) are completely covered; most fall somewhere between those extremes.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 07:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 102 ]
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riftwitch - 13 October 2012 03:04 AM
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shadowhawk1 - 12 October 2012 08:46 AM

I knew I was going to get asked that one! :facepalm: As long as I didn’t have to wear it I think it would be fair, but how many how many female supervillians are out there that would require that kind of distraction? Not big on the whole speedo thing but hey everyone has their own sense of fashion right? You aren’t going to ask me to wear the boob window leotard and high heels next are you? I would have to draw the line at that! I hear thongs are seriously uncomfortable! :cheezygrin:

They’re more comfortable than you might think. G-strings are actually better, though.

I will just take your word for it on that.

I’m actually basing that on my wife’s comments about her bathing suits; I don’t wear anything like that, and the world is a much better-looking place for it. I have done thong/g-string type bottoms on a few characters, but most of my female characters are a lot more covered. A lot depends upon the character’s powers, and sometimes personality. I haven’t done any male characters in anything quite that revealing, but I do have a few who are showing some skin. Conversely, some of my characters (both genders) are completely covered; most fall somewhere between those extremes.

LOL OK I will take your wife’s word for it then. I love a woman in a thong but as part of a superheroine uniform it is just wrong. Now if it were to go over a set of tights that wouldn’t be as bothersome as seeing her fighting with her butt cheeks hanging out of her outfit. As crazy as it sounds I think a pair of boy-shorts is sexier than a thong, leaves more to the imagination.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 09:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 103 ]
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Odaa - 12 October 2012 10:21 AM

As a kid, I had a bit of a crush on the Adam West Batman-an upright guy who had a fun life in a fun universe and was clearly enjoying himself, but never let any of that get in the way of being a gentleman or being a crimefighter, as the situation required.

I like the Robert Downey Jr. Iron Man because he’s fun and funny and brilliant and has all the toys, but the films acknowledge that he’s pretty messed up in a lot of ways.  I also read a lot of Arthurian knight stories growing up, and so the idea of this dysfunctional man who puts on armor to try and save the day and hold himself to a higher standard than before spoke to that side of me.

Seems I’m pretty much in agreement with you with respect to your tastes. I love my heroes and heroines (and their shows) fun and funny, too. That’s why I loved the (early) He-Man, the Hanna-Barbera Superfriends series and the (early) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon series.

Seems heroes/heroines and shows like these are hardly to be found anymore nowadays, though—it’s all dark, brooding and heavy stuff. Wonder what the heck happened?

Odaa - 12 October 2012 10:21 AM

I’m here for the escapism, not to be preached at.

I suppose sometimes a bit of preaching can be good, depending on how it’s done. Each episode of the early He-Man series gave a little moral lecture at the end. And I seriously thought some of the lessons were entirely invaluable, even for adults.

Odaa - 12 October 2012 10:21 AM

I prefer that they not be too self-righteous, because while the old school of actors were fairly good at portraying people who were earnest and well-intentioned and generally decent without being overly pompous(George Reeves, Adam West, Lynda Carter, Bill Bixby), the new school are generally *not*.

Makes you wonder why. Have people forgotten how to act? And that’s why I mostly don’t care much for TV and the cinema nowadays—for me it’s retro all the way…

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Posted: 13 October 2012 09:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 104 ]
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RAMWolff - 12 October 2012 10:50 AM

I STILL love that cover.  I loved Tyroc he was such an interesting character but ended up getting lost in the bunch and eventually they made some excuse and sent he and his people to another dimension iirc… He was like the 31st Century “Banshee” but sexier!  cool smirk

Wolff, could you tell me what Tyroc’s powers were and roughly what the story was in the comic with that cover? I’d be most grateful. Never got to read it…

riftwitch - 13 October 2012 03:04 AM

I don’t wear anything like that, and the world is a much better-looking place for it.

Hey, pay the gym a regular visit and you might change your mind.

I do go to the gym regularly—precisely so I can make the world a better-looking place by putting on one of those things. tongue rolleye

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Posted: 13 October 2012 09:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 105 ]
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