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Posted: 28 October 2012 09:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 211 ]
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Barubary - 28 October 2012 12:02 PM

Yeah, I figured that what I said might also apply to policemen, but there is a difference: policemen to not deal with people they deem a threat to society. They - ideally ^^ - deal with people who break laws which were made by society and they are employed by society to fulfill that task. Superheroes on the other hand, afaik, tend to be vigilantes.

I’d say it’s precisely part of the concept of the superhero/ine that s/he exercises his/her own independent judgement, rather than just dealing with what society tells him/her is unacceptable behavior in society—though (ideally) for the most part his/her judgements do happen to coincide with what his/her society considers unacceptable behavior. Sometimes (if not often), unfortunately, those in power in a society can become corrupted and twist all the rules to their own ends, and in situations like this the superhero/ine becomes IMO a genuine source of inspiration by not following the now corrupted rules of society anymore but going by his/her own judgement.

To some degree, I would assume, superheroes deal with a basic problem society and law making and enforcing do have. You can’t prevent crime. You can’t punish every crime. Not every punishment is just. They’re broadsword approaches to regulating the lives of millions of individual cases. Wouldn’t it be great if there was a wise Superman not only able but willing and smart enough to supply justice where policemen and judges and politicians can only fail? That’s not all there is to the superhero concept, but I think it’s a part of it. In that way they are fundamentally incompatible with reality. Played straight, superheroes are like the justice version of the land of milk and honey.

That’s what myth is about, right? An ideal expressed through some imaginative medium, say a comic book or cartoon show.

I’m sure there must be some issues of Superman (or some other hero) around in which he exercised great wisdom in passing judgement. Certainly more than a few heroes/heroines abide by a ‘code against taking life’.

Sure, but like Superman, Lex Luthor is a fictional character. I guess superhero stories would be far less entertaining if the villains were not, well, evil. It’s a fantasy after all. I guess at this point in time mist important villains have a solid back stories and even relatable motivations - and that’s great - but I agree that in the end, there’s probably a lot of ‘black and white’. Everything else might actually end up challenging the whole superhero concept. If Superman was to beat up a decent Lex Luthor with a relatable goal, Superman would be the villain. Or it would reach a conclusion that could no longer be solved by just punching someone. I’m sure there are superhero comics like this and I think this would be a sign of a comics maturity, but it would definitely challenge superhero cliche, wouldn’t it?

Truth be told, I myself actually find the ‘black-hat-versus-white-hat’ formula simplistic and tiresome as well. (That’s why I’ve never had much patience with Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings.) I’m sure many villains could have been forced to become what they were by circumstances beyond their control. And it’s also of interest to note that in all of the East Asian religious traditions no human being could ever be truly evil—just temporarily deluded.

I would certainly consider it a good thing in this respect if there were to be more superhero/ine fare showing a greater awareness of the complexities of human motivation, but at the same time I think it would be a challenge to make the story both entertaining and showing such awareness.

I myself have been entertaining this idea of a new superhero who doesn’t just catch ‘crooks’ and hand them in to the police. In #1 of his comic series he catches a street thug who’s attempting to rob a lady, but talks to him and finds (with the aid of a spell to ensure he’s telling the truth) that he’s really just a normal guy caught in extremely difficult personal situations, so our hero magically creates a diamond and gives it to him to sell for money, thereby relieving him of his woes. Would this story work? Whaddya think? (Hey, I might seriously make this into an e-comic. Below is how I intend my hero to look like.)

Some supervillains have actually been portrayed as possessing a tiny spark of goodness in them as well, which occasionally shines out in what they do. Skeletor from the He-Man cartoon series, for example. wink (You know He-Man?)

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Posted: 28 October 2012 09:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 212 ]
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Jay_NOLA - 28 October 2012 04:58 PM

I the old Iron Man animated series they colored him green.  This was deliberate as Marvel didn’t want the character to appear to be of Asian heritage and the same animators were told to do the same thing for other characters, make them not fit any identifiable racial profile. for other characters in various series the studio worked on.

The animators even did the green skin for Ming the Merciless in the Defenders of the Earth animated series.  Marvel did the animation even though none of the characters are Marvel ones.  The green skin and changes to characters in oother projects ries the animators reason is mentioned in the commentary on on of the DVDs for that series.

I’m Chinese myself (by descent, not by nationality) and I wouldn’t be particularly offended if they portrayed the Mandarin and Ming the Merciless with normal skin color. smile After all, I’m sure there are far more Caucasian baddies than Asian ones in the wacky world of superheroes. If the good guys were always whites while the baddies were always of some other race, then I’d be offended.

And by the way, Ming the Merciless was portrayed with normal skin color in the old Flash Gordon cartoon series created by Filmation. (He was a bit dark IMO, though.)

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Posted: 30 October 2012 09:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 213 ]
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It’s interesting to note who the very first JEWISH superhero was. It was RAGMAN, a hero created by Joe Kubert and Robert Kanigher in the early 1970’s for DC, who derived his powers from a suit all made of… rags.

Guess he must be the poorest of all heroes. Surely filthy-rich Batman could spare him a few greenbacks? smirk

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Posted: 31 October 2012 09:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 214 ]
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K T Ong - 27 October 2012 01:27 AM

It’s interesting to know that in the DC universe Earth’s very first Green Lantern was a Chinese. His story was told in the 3-part miniseries Green Lantern Dragon Lord. The story betrays a serious lack of knowledge of Chinese history and culture, though! grin

This was retconned out of Continuity a long time ago.

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Posted: 31 October 2012 10:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 215 ]
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Dunno. It still seems an official part of the Green Lantern mythos.

Good to see you posting again by the way. Sandy was making me a bit concerned. (Then again, what’s a little hurricane to a superheroine? wink )

And hey, there IS a female Green Lantern! Her name’s LAIRA!

http://greenlantern.wikia.com/wiki/Laira

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Posted: 01 November 2012 08:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 216 ]
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Nope, not in continuity as Hal has been continually referred to as the first human to wear the ring both by the writers and inside the comic. smile

Laira has purple skin and isn’t human, plus she was turned into a Red Lantern and then died in Hal’s arms. smile

And I don’t live anywhere near the east coast, so no worries there. smile

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Posted: 01 November 2012 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 217 ]
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Knight22179 - 01 November 2012 08:15 AM

Nope, not in continuity as Hal has been continually referred to as the first human to wear the ring both by the writers and inside the comic. smile

Laira has purple skin and isn’t human, plus she was turned into a Red Lantern and then died in Hal’s arms. smile

And I don’t live anywhere near the east coast, so no worries there. smile

I thought that, post-Crisis, Alan Scott preceded Hal by several decades. Then again, with the New 52 stuff, the main DC Earth may not have ever had any Golden Age characters; I haven’t been following any titles regularly. I’ve gotten more frugal as I’ve gotten older, and there aren’t any comic shops near me anymore.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 12:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 218 ]
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riftwitch - 01 November 2012 08:23 AM
Knight22179 - 01 November 2012 08:15 AM

Nope, not in continuity as Hal has been continually referred to as the first human to wear the ring both by the writers and inside the comic. smile

Laira has purple skin and isn’t human, plus she was turned into a Red Lantern and then died in Hal’s arms. smile

And I don’t live anywhere near the east coast, so no worries there. smile

I thought that, post-Crisis, Alan Scott preceded Hal by several decades. Then again, with the New 52 stuff, the main DC Earth may not have ever had any Golden Age characters; I haven’t been following any titles regularly. I’ve gotten more frugal as I’ve gotten older, and there aren’t any comic shops near me anymore.

WHat you speak of is true. wink

I should have elaberated better. Hal has been referred to as the first human ever to become a Green Lantern of the Green Lantern Corps. Alan may have been the first GL, but he’s never been an official member of the GLC.

So, that Chinese guy being Earth’s first GL? Written out of continuity even before the new 52 reboot Hal was always referred to as the first human GL to be recruited into the GLC, not Mr. Chinese guy. That story was quickly forgotten shortly after it saw print.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 07:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 219 ]
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Maybe there was a malfunction in the data storage systems of the Green Lantern Corps and the name of Mr Chinese guy accidentally got deleted from their records. Alternatively, he could be the first Green Lantern on some alternative Earth. LOL

Knight22179 - 01 November 2012 08:15 AM

Laira has purple skin and isn’t human, plus she was turned into a Red Lantern and then died in Hal’s arms. smile

You want a GL who’s not only female but human as well? Picky, aren’t you? smile

riftwitch - 01 November 2012 08:23 AM

I’ve gotten more frugal as I’ve gotten older, and there aren’t any comic shops near me anymore.

Try eBay!

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Posted: 02 November 2012 07:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 220 ]
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K T Ong - 01 November 2012 07:05 PM

Maybe there was a malfunction in the data storage systems of the Green Lantern Corps and the name of Mr Chinese guy accidentally got deleted from their records. Alternatively, he could be the first Green Lantern on some alternative Earth. LOL

Knight22179 - 01 November 2012 08:15 AM

Laira has purple skin and isn’t human, plus she was turned into a Red Lantern and then died in Hal’s arms. smile

You want a GL who’s not only female but human as well? Picky, aren’t you? smile

Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, John Stewart, Guy Gardner, Kyle Rayner and now Simon Baz. All men. Six in all. You bet I’m picky. I’m sick and tired of men always making the cut. The writers made GL’s from Earth an all men’s club and that doesn’t sit well with me at all.

Ron Marz introduced Kyle Rayner to us. He had the PERFECT opportunity to break the mold and give us a much deserved human woman GL. He didn’t. Then Geoff Johns introduces Simon Baz, yet ANOTHER man. Enough is enough!

There have been two human women from Earth who did wear the ring but that only lasted one issue (maybe 2), but that’s it and nothing permanent. We have half a dozen GL’s from Earth flying around who are men and that’s WAY too many. We need some human women!

So, yeah. You bet I’m picky. DC is prejudiced against the woman community because they don’t want human women wearing the ring on a permanent basis but they are OK if an alien woman wears one.

And that’s not right at all.

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Posted: 02 November 2012 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 221 ]
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I think Marvel’s worse. (I’m not defending DC.) DC at least has one major ‘standalone’ female hero who almost takes center stage in its pantheon, right next to Superman and Batman. Marvel seems to have none AFAIK. Yes, they have some heroines, but all of them seem to be of peripheral status, or only form part of some team such as the X-Men rather than being standalone heroines in their own right.

It’s admittedly sad that such elements of sexism are found in the world of superhero comics. Hopefully that will change. (One first step to take could be to depict the guys in graphically more provocative ways, of course—as has always been done with the gals. I’d like it. wink )

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Posted: 02 November 2012 11:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 222 ]
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Knight22179 - 01 November 2012 08:15 AM

Nope, not in continuity as Hal has been continually referred to as the first human to wear the ring both by the writers and inside the comic. smile

Laira has purple skin and isn’t human, plus she was turned into a Red Lantern and then died in Hal’s arms. smile

And I don’t live anywhere near the east coast, so no worries there. smile

I thought that, post-Crisis, Alan Scott preceded Hal by several decades. Then again, with the New 52 stuff, the main DC Earth may not have ever had any Golden Age characters; I haven’t been following any titles regularly. I’ve gotten more frugal as I’ve gotten older, and there aren’t any comic shops near me anymore.

Google Mile High Comics. You can buy comics from them from all Comic Publishers and they will mail them to you.

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Posted: 02 November 2012 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 223 ]
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K T Ong - 02 November 2012 11:02 AM

I think Marvel’s worse. (I’m not defending DC.) DC at least has one major ‘standalone’ female hero who almost takes center stage in its pantheon, right next to Superman and Batman. Marvel seems to have none AFAIK. Yes, they have some heroines, but all of them seem to be of peripheral status, or only form part of some team such as the X-Men rather than being standalone heroines in their own right.

It’s admittedly sad that such elements of sexism are found in the world of superhero comics. Hopefully that will change. (One first step to take could be to depict the guys in graphically more provocative ways, of course—as has always been done with the gals. I’d like it. wink )

Is there much provacative stuff available for the guys that would work for superhero renders. I’m not averse to doing some renders, but I’m still learning how to make my own clothes.

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Posted: 02 November 2012 01:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 224 ]
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Knight22179 - 02 November 2012 11:49 AM
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Knight22179 - 01 November 2012 08:15 AM

Nope, not in continuity as Hal has been continually referred to as the first human to wear the ring both by the writers and inside the comic. smile

Laira has purple skin and isn’t human, plus she was turned into a Red Lantern and then died in Hal’s arms. smile

And I don’t live anywhere near the east coast, so no worries there. smile

I thought that, post-Crisis, Alan Scott preceded Hal by several decades. Then again, with the New 52 stuff, the main DC Earth may not have ever had any Golden Age characters; I haven’t been following any titles regularly. I’ve gotten more frugal as I’ve gotten older, and there aren’t any comic shops near me anymore.

Google Mile High Comics. You can buy comics from them from all Comic Publishers and they will mail them to you.

Thanks, I forgot about them. There are comic shops within driving distance, but they’re a little farther away than I usually care to drive unless I have other business in those areas. It’s not like a few years back when there was a shop just a few blocks away (and gasoline was cheaper). The big issue is that when I look through comics (our local grocery stores carry a few, but I have the same problem in comic shops), I rarely see anything that I’m willing to part with my money for. I’d rather put the time into my own characters (I’ve been creating superheroes since around second grade), and the money into my music (and now stuff I can use in Studio).

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Posted: 02 November 2012 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 225 ]
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I’m sure a lot of the people posting in this thread have created superheroes (& villains) of their own. Have you found yourself making changes to any of your characters since you started playing with programs like Studio & Poser? I’ve found that in some cases, some characters just simply didn’t work when trying them in 3d; in other cases, working on images has led me down different paths than I would have gone if I was just describing them to an artist (I can’t draw a straight line with a ruler, so Studio has been a real blessing for me.)

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