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Posted: 08 October 2012 07:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I dislike heroes/heroines with overly exaggerated proportions as well. They just don’t look natural. They look grotesque. That’s why I never quite liked the Hulk. What I prefer is the lean, athletic figure. (I can’t stand gals with MUSCLES, though. Ugh. Give me gals shaped like ballet dancers instead.)

Exaggerations in the form of cartoony caricatures can be great, actually—if the show is FUNNY rather than serious. (Dunno about you fellas, but I actually hate cartoons or fantasy stuff which try to be too serious. To me they’re as stupid as a remake of Platoon or Saving Private Ryan using Smurfs or Teletubbies.)

Speaking of gals with MUSCLES, I also dislike gals with the personalities of guys. That’s why I can’t stand Xena. She’s just too… butch. Gals should always have a certain touch of femininity about their person IMO—which DOESN’T equate with weakness. Filmation’s 1970’s superheroine ISIS—one of my all-time favorite heroines—is extremely powerful, but has lots of feminine grace and charm as well. (But it’s the sort of charm that makes you admire her from a distance, rather than the sort of charm that excites carnal thoughts.)

Have to say, though, that I generally like male heroes more, especially the half-naked ones like He-Man, DC’s Warlord and the hook-handed Aquaman. Always have a thing for half-naked muscle boyz wearing just boots and Speedos. tongue rolleye I fully agree in this respect that if you want shapely, underdressed gals in your comics, you should have shapely, underdressed guys as well!

I’d love to be one of those half-naked muscle boyz myself. In this respect the powers I think I’d like to have would be:

1.  Super-strength. (At the level where I can lift and throw a truck or bend a steel girder.)

2.  High level of resistance to normal forms of physical damage, though not full immunity. A cannonball would not kill me, but would still bruise me.

3.  Adaptability to various normally lethal environments, such as underwater or extreme cold. (So I can go around in the Antarctic wearing just boots and Speedos, or stay underwater as long as I like.)

4.  The ability to heal others by laying hands on them. Don’t want all my powers to be ‘tough-guy’ powers; I want at least a ‘benign’ power as well.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 08:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Valandar - 08 October 2012 05:46 PM

On the other hand, Superman’s weaknesses drifted into place, and the most ridiculous of these is Kryptonite. The only reason it exists is the actor from the radio play had a cold one week, so they made up Kryptonite to explain why Superman didn’t sound so heroic that week. Of course, it’s now so inextricably tied into the mythos that you couldn’t get rid of it if you wanted, but as the archetype for the Super superhero, it’s something we come to expect from him. On the other hand, Silver Age Green Lantern’s “vulnerability to yellow” is patently ridiculous.

Don’t try to deliberately give a hero a specific ‘weakness’ - rather, do something to show us your hero is not unbeatable, that there is a reason why him or her acting like a hero is a matter of courage and moral fortitude, not just “The bad guys can’t hurt me, so why not?”.

I think it still takes a certain amount of courage and fortitude to go out and bash the baddies when you’re as powerful as Superman. After all, you really don’t know if or when they might use that green glowing stuff on you. Especially if they’re Lex Luthor’s henchmen, I understand. wink

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Posted: 08 October 2012 08:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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I’ve pretty well given up on the whole superhero shtick - too many logic flaws. First and foremost, I find it hard to believe that there are several hundred beings of above-normal capabilities who also can sew and have access to either fabric of unstable molecular composition or a mixed kevlar/spandex weave. And if they can’t sew, do they go to the tailor with a sketch of the costume and a bag over their head?

I also don’t care for really bad science. I quit reading Iron Man something like 40 years ago when he introduced his new armor (the first such, in red and gold) featuring the ‘transistorized boot jets’ for greater thrust and endurance. I about barfed when I read that. On the other hand, Hardware had his really nice turbojet backpack - good for almost 5 minutes of flight. Much better.

And I really appreciated the version of “The WEB” done by (I think) Impact - where one of the original team takes down the entire crop of newly-trained members in their power-amplification gear and THEN reveals his suit is just yellow-dyed long johns and he beat them because they haven’t really learned to use their powers yet.

As for power - just one, I think. The ability to not be noticed. Similar to the Shadow’s power to cloud men’s minds.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 09:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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namffuak - 08 October 2012 08:28 PM

I’ve pretty well given up on the whole superhero shtick - too many logic flaws. First and foremost, I find it hard to believe that there are several hundred beings of above-normal capabilities who also can sew and have access to either fabric of unstable molecular composition or a mixed kevlar/spandex weave. And if they can’t sew, do they go to the tailor with a sketch of the costume and a bag over their head?

That’s why I like it more when they’re just dressed in boots and Speedos. Minimal coverage, and no more logic flaws. wink

namffuak - 08 October 2012 08:28 PM

I also don’t care for really bad science. I quit reading Iron Man something like 40 years ago when he introduced his new armor (the first such, in red and gold) featuring the ‘transistorized boot jets’ for greater thrust and endurance. I about barfed when I read that.

More like ‘imaginary science’. The world of superheroes/superheroines is a world of the imagination, and in such a world there’s no reason to abide by the laws of Nature as science knows them. Most people who read superhero comics do so to be entertained and to give their imagination wings, not to learn about science. smile

I do agree, though, that sometimes the science in the world of superheroes can be inconsistent. Rules spelt out or implied in one issue are ignored or forgotten in another. Which certainly isn’t a good thing.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 10:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Superheroes are not scientific in any way, shape, or form - 99.995% of the ones with ‘real” powers utterly shatter all the laws of thermodynamics, and the rest are simple things like “I’m super-strong because I’m 8’10” and weigh 700 lbs of solid muscle. But I move real slow” or “I’m tougher than normal because I have keratinous growths all over my skin”. Or both.

Super power ‘explainations’ are just excuses to hide the fact that it’s myth brought forward, not science as possibilities.

It would take millions of years for enough solar energy to be absorbed over the surface area of human skin at 1 AU to provide enough power for even ONE super-feat performed by Superman. You REALLY want an explaination? It’s magic. Or if you MUST have some pseudoscience, you could always say the solar energy itself doesn’t power him, it acts as a catalyst to enable him to tap superstrings, which DO power him.

“Transistor powered armor”, as claimed by Iron Man? Well, when Lee and Kirby created him, neither one knew jack about electronics or science, Transistors were new, and they figured that the average 10-11 year old kid wouldnt know anything about ‘transistors’ except that he had heard about them somewhere before.

On the other hand, Thor and Captain Marvel don’t even pretend at all - they outright state they’re powered by magic. C’est la vie. :D

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Posted: 09 October 2012 12:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Knight22179 - 08 October 2012 03:33 PM

Crud, I totally forgot Shapeshifting! Changing my answer! Instead of Force Fields as one of my options, I’d take Shapeshifting. :D

Oh, and another thing that turns me off about costumes….

Gloves that go midway up the bicep and boots that go midway up the thigh look GREAT on women. But it really it turns me off when seen on Men. For women, looks great, but on men it makes them look womanly and I hate that.

NOPE, I’m the shape shifter in this hear galaxy… raspberry

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Posted: 09 October 2012 12:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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1.  Which (or what sort of) superheroes/superheroines appeal the most to you, and why?

Strong but interesting characters with powers that are interesting too.  I’ve writting a couple of comic stories and created about 20 heroes in various settings so I happen to think many of mine are more original than the fare out there.  I do tend towards heroes in the DC Universe.  Marvel has gone too gritty for my tastes.  I like more magical heroes too. 

2.  Which (or what sort of) superheroes/superheroines turn you off, and why?

Guy Gardner irritates the CRAP out of me for instance! 

3.  What sort of things do you look for in a superhero/ine? Is appearance everything to you, or how ‘badass’ s/he is (as in how good s/he is against his/her foes), or the kind of person s/he is (morally impeccable like Superman, or bad-tempered like the Hulk, or arrogant like Namor etc), or the concept of the superhero/ine (whether s/he’s a mutant, magic-based, uses all sorts of futuristic gadgets, is a god/dess etc), or a bit of all these?

I’m more in to magical or god like heroes.  I HATE all the T&A in the comic books these days.  It’s just as prevalent here in 3D land too.  Allot of vendors I’m sure wish that guys like me would go for all that but come on, you can’t fight a battle with areola’s peeking out of the barely there top and you BETTER make sure and have a fresh bikini wax before you go after Galactus or he might eat you!  raspberry My, that seemed a little… oh never mind!  ACK!

4.  If YOU could have FOUR superpowers, what would they be?

Shape Changer, Invisibility, Invincibility and of course Magical Hex powers.  YUM… i think I got a little excited there!  raspberry

5.  Have you ever dreamt of superheroes/superheroines in your sleep?

Yea, a 3 way with Wolverine and the Beast!  Yea, now you know… I’m a total freakazoid!  raspberry

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Posted: 09 October 2012 02:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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DaremoK3 - 08 October 2012 06:10 PM

I also hate “briefs” on male heros.

I guess our tastes are a bit different, then. I love briefs—and thongs even more. tongue rolleye

I once actually dreamt of Spider-Man. Serious. In my dream I was at this costume party setting and there he was prowling around. I was some distance behind him and the people around never seemed to notice him. I then sneaked up behind him and pinched him in the butt causing him to jump with shock while I quickly ran away. All this happened a second time. The third time I tried to sneak up on him and pinch his butt again he suddenly turned around and pointed a finger at me, as if saying, ‘Gotcha!’ Couldn’t remember the rest of the dream.

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Posted: 09 October 2012 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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RAMWolff - 09 October 2012 12:32 AM

Guy Gardner irritates the CRAP out of me for instance!

Any special reason why? wink

RAMWolff - 09 October 2012 12:32 AM

I’m more in to magical or god like heroes.

It would seem unusual that so few of the characters from world myth and legend—in particular gods and goddesses—have been recruited into the pantheons of modern superheroes/heroines. I can only think of three that are important: Hercules, who has really been overused; Thor, the Norse god of thunder; and the Egyptian goddess Isis. Characters from the Bible and the Arabian Nights, like Sinbad and Solomon, were actually turned into superheroes of sorts in a cartoon series by Filmation titled Freedom Force in the 1970’s or early 1980’s, except it lasted a miserable five episodes and hardly anyone knows of them today anymore. There was also a Young Samson produced by Hanna-Barbera in the 1970’s or earlier, but it seemed too weakly related to the Samson found in the Old Testament, and again few recall him today.

It makes you wonder why there hadn’t been more attempts by the comics industry to tap into the resources provided by world mythology. A superhero based on some character from the Hindu/Buddhist pantheon oughta be cool. I’m in fact toying with the idea.

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Posted: 09 October 2012 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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K T Ong - 09 October 2012 08:23 AM

It makes you wonder why there hadn’t been more attempts by the comics industry to tap into the resources provided by world mythology. A superhero based on some character from the Hindu/Buddhist pantheon oughta be cool. I’m in fact toying with the idea.

Arguably this is what ‘Monkey’ was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_(TV_series)

(Looks like the auto-linking can’t handle the brackets, you’ll need to copy the full URL out to a browser)

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Posted: 09 October 2012 09:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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I love Black Super Heroes most I think. I also like creating my own super heroes from time to time.

But from comics
Love Batman
Spiderman
Oldman Logan
The Original Xmen Comics and Xmen Comics right up to the 90’s Emcron Crystal and Dark Phoenix Sagas

I like troubled super heroes or imperfect super heroes

Though I do love me some Superman too.

I have a varied taste. A friend from Deviant Art Nightmare Rhino just got his first Graphic Novel Publish and I an waiting to buy a Signed Copy from him. Its awesome. Carnal is the name. Some fantastic art and a really unique premise and world. Very cool.

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Posted: 09 October 2012 09:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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DWG - 09 October 2012 09:25 AM

Arguably this is what ‘Monkey’ was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_(TV_series)

(Looks like the auto-linking can’t handle the brackets, you’ll need to copy the full URL out to a browser)

Thanks for the suggestion but I’m not really sure how well the character Monkey from Chinese mythology fits the bill. Has there been any TV series (or comic series) which actually brings him into the modern world where he battles various crooks/supervillains?

JohnDelaquiox - 09 October 2012 09:30 AM

I love Black Super Heroes most I think.

Luke Cage the Power Man does have a certain appeal about him. wink Can’t think of any more others, though…

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Posted: 09 October 2012 09:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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K T Ong - 08 October 2012 10:25 AM

Considering that there’s a long thread here on rendering superheroes, I thought I might start another one in which we just talk about them for the fun of it. Let’s just discuss the following:

1.  Which (or what sort of) superheroes/superheroines appeal the most to you, and why?

I like the ones who battle their own personal demons and thier outside conflict is just a foil for their inner battles.
The more messed up, the more fun wink

K T Ong - 08 October 2012 10:25 AM

2.  Which (or what sort of) superheroes/superheroines turn you off, and why?

The all too perfect goody goody ones

K T Ong - 08 October 2012 10:25 AM

3.  What sort of things do you look for in a superhero/ine? Is appearance everything to you, or how ‘badass’ s/he is (as in how good s/he is against his/her foes), or the kind of person s/he is (morally impeccable like Superman, or bad-tempered like the Hulk, or arrogant like Namor etc), or the concept of the superhero/ine (whether s/he’s a mutant, magic-based, uses all sorts of futuristic gadgets, is a god/dess etc), or a bit of all these?

As long as the physical traits match the character, I am open on their appearance.
As for morals…everyone believes they are working from a solid moral perspective, even the psychopaths…..so having a hero on the edge of what is generally morally acceptable is alot of fun.
Arrogance is only good if the person is good enough to warrant it wink
I personally dont care much for the magic/god/dess heros, but mutants or tech driven I like

K T Ong - 08 October 2012 10:25 AM

4.  If YOU could have FOUR superpowers, what would they be?

Wisdom
Money (yeah..thats a super power)
Strength
Immortality

K T Ong - 08 October 2012 10:25 AM

5.  Have you ever dreamt of superheroes/superheroines in your sleep?

Nope

 

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Posted: 09 October 2012 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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While I find myself, as I get older and less and less attached to them and let much of the collection go there are some stories and compilations I just can’t let go of.. not yet anyways.  One compilation “Looking for Trouble” was from the DC Comics “Outsiders” comic.  Written by: Judd Winick and Illustrated by: Tom Raney, Criscross and Ivan Reis…. Got some pretty good action throughout but there is a sub story going on with Metamorpho split self and he coming to terms with past stuff.  The ending panels really wonderful and touching. 

Originally presented in Outsiders #1-7 and Teen Titans / Outsiders Secret Files & Origins 2003

http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/outsiders-looking-for-trouble

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Posted: 09 October 2012 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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K T Ong - 09 October 2012 09:39 AM
DWG - 09 October 2012 09:25 AM

Arguably this is what ‘Monkey’ was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_(TV_series)

(Looks like the auto-linking can’t handle the brackets, you’ll need to copy the full URL out to a browser)

Thanks for the suggestion but I’m not really sure how well the character Monkey from Chinese mythology fits the bill. Has there been any TV series (or comic series) which actually brings him into the modern world where he battles various crooks/supervillains?

JohnDelaquiox - 09 October 2012 09:30 AM

I love Black Super Heroes most I think.

Luke Cage the Power Man does have a certain appeal about him. wink Can’t think of any more others, though…

You have the Original Captain American Isiah Bradley, Even though I don’t like the character the new Ultimate Spiderman Miles Morales, Black Panther, Falcon, In Dc you have John Henry Irons Steele. He is a Martian but I think his attitude is that of this really serious black dude and he is ofter voice by Phil Morris. You also have my favorite green lantern John Stewart. Then you have real super heroes like Phoenix Jones, there are a bunch.

http://worldofblackheroes.com/black-superheroes/

As for powers
Just give wolveriens powers and I will be happy.

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