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Posted: 07 October 2012 09:21 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Came across this item in the store (or set of items rather), plus expansion packs for it. Seems pretty good (I’ve certainly thought of putting a couple Vikings in my scenes), except it’s supposed to be only useable with the oldest of the Michael figures. Is there any way to use it on Genesis? I don’t seem to find any ‘Michael 2 shape for Genesis’, which I understand would enable me to apply the Viking onto Genesis.

It would seem odd (and a waste of space) that DAZ should still carry items like this in their store if those items are not going to be useable anymore. Wouldn’t someone come up with updated versions of them? Or is there a way to use them on Genesis (or Michael 3/4) which I don’t know of—besides that ‘Crossdresser’ thing?

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Posted: 07 October 2012 09:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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K T Ong - 07 October 2012 09:21 PM

Came across this item in the store (or set of items rather), plus expansion packs for it. Seems pretty good (I’ve certainly thought of putting a couple Vikings in my scenes), except it’s supposed to be only useable with the oldest of the Michael figures. Is there any way to use it on Genesis? I don’t seem to find any ‘Michael 2 shape for Genesis’, which I understand would enable me to apply the Viking onto Genesis.

It would seem odd (and a waste of space) that DAZ should still carry items like this in their store if those items are not going to be useable anymore. Wouldn’t someone come up with updated versions of them? Or is there a way to use them on Genesis (or Michael 3/4) which I don’t know of—besides that ‘Crossdresser’ thing?

Thats a cool item. I like the padded armor. I wonder when I see items like this, especially ones that are this expensive. It seems to me the dated stuff should be phased out, and priced lower…. I see it all the time in the store, where a gen 3 item costs more than a gen 5 item, and I’ve got tow wonder, really? do you think people are going to buy that at that price… I guess maybe, if you were still using an early software package, you might have a use for it, but the cost… Wow.

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Posted: 07 October 2012 09:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Perhaps you still have some retros out there who are still sticking to the older versions of DAZ Studio and the Michael figure. (I’m not using the word ‘retro’ in a pejorative sense; I’m something of a retro myself with respect to certain things, such as music.)

Even allowing for that, though, could we expect MORE such people in future, so that sales of those ancient, non-updated items would go up?...

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Posted: 07 October 2012 10:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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SereneNight - 07 October 2012 09:34 PM
K T Ong - 07 October 2012 09:21 PM

Came across this item in the store (or set of items rather), plus expansion packs for it. Seems pretty good (I’ve certainly thought of putting a couple Vikings in my scenes), except it’s supposed to be only useable with the oldest of the Michael figures. Is there any way to use it on Genesis? I don’t seem to find any ‘Michael 2 shape for Genesis’, which I understand would enable me to apply the Viking onto Genesis.

It would seem odd (and a waste of space) that DAZ should still carry items like this in their store if those items are not going to be useable anymore. Wouldn’t someone come up with updated versions of them? Or is there a way to use them on Genesis (or Michael 3/4) which I don’t know of—besides that ‘Crossdresser’ thing?

Thats a cool item. I like the padded armor. I wonder when I see items like this, especially ones that are this expensive. It seems to me the dated stuff should be phased out, and priced lower…. I see it all the time in the store, where a gen 3 item costs more than a gen 5 item, and I’ve got tow wonder, really? do you think people are going to buy that at that price… I guess maybe, if you were still using an early software package, you might have a use for it, but the cost… Wow.

Some of the pricing does seem odd. She-Freak V4 and V3 both have retail prices of 29.95, but the PC prices are 1.99 for the V4 version and 17.97 for the V3 version. You would think they would be the same price.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 12:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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In the past Poser content was more expensive, and yes some people still use the earlier figures.

It is also up to the vendor, not Daz, to change the pricing.

To use it on Genesis you would need to convert it to Michael 4 then autofit it to Genesis; I have no idea how this would work.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 12:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Yes, there are people using the older figures. Like me.  smile

The pricing is what pricing looked like in older times - aren’t you lucky? wink

To lower the price would be John Malis decision - and I haven’t heard of him in a loooooong time (pity!).
The only time they go down in price is during the annual published artist event. Which just was in September ...

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Posted: 08 October 2012 09:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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One wonders if the creators of the Viking pack are still around anymore or have left DAZ 3D. My suspicion is that they’ve left.

Surely if they were still around it would have occured to them to update their item so it could be used for Genesis, just as Jepe updated his M4 morphs (Jonah etc) to be useable for Genesis too.

(To Kerya: why are you still using the older figures? Just curious. smile)

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Posted: 08 October 2012 10:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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The people who started into 3D early still have their old figures and tend to use them for background characters since they are (I am told) lower poly and easier on the resources. This is particularly helpful when one has an older computer.

I very much like the look of that artist’s work. Back with DS3 I’d have fitted that one to M4, turned the figure invisible where adjustments couldn’t get rid of poke through And been careful of the camera angle. Probably still could with M4. Genesis has to be different, though, and doesn’t seem to let you ignore autofit and just use old-style “fitting” on clothing items.

ETA: I’d happily pay for a pack of clone figure models for auto-fit for older Gen2 figures and the Gen3 kids, none of which have autofit clones.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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JOdel - 08 October 2012 10:02 AM

The people who started into 3D early still have their old figures and tend to use them for background characters since they are (I am told) lower poly and easier on the resources. This is particularly helpful when one has an older computer.

I very much like the look of that artist’s work. Back with DS3 I’d have fitted that one to M4, turned the figure invisible where adjustments couldn’t get rid of poke through And been careful of the camera angle. Probably still could with M4. Genesis has to be different, though, and doesn’t seem to let you ignore autofit and just use old-style “fitting” on clothing items.

ETA: I’d happily pay for a pack of clone figure models for auto-fit for older Gen2 figures and the Gen3 kids, none of which have autofit clones.

Just cancel the autofit when it pops up or don’t have Genesis selected when you load the clothing in. Poke through in DS4 + can be dealt with by using the smoothing Modifier.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 10:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I admit I’m curious about the sale numbers of older items. How many people buy x items, would be sort of an interesting survey. I do think price adjustments are in order for the older stuff. Don’t care how cool it is. =-)

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Posted: 08 October 2012 10:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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SereneNight - 08 October 2012 10:14 AM

I do think price adjustments are in order for the older stuff. Don’t care how cool it is. =-)

Same here. wink

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Posted: 08 October 2012 10:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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K T Ong - 07 October 2012 09:21 PM

Came across this item in the store (or set of items rather), plus expansion packs for it. Seems pretty good (I’ve certainly thought of putting a couple Vikings in my scenes), except it’s supposed to be only useable with the oldest of the Michael figures. Is there any way to use it on Genesis? I don’t seem to find any ‘Michael 2 shape for Genesis’, which I understand would enable me to apply the Viking onto Genesis.

It would seem odd (and a waste of space) that DAZ should still carry items like this in their store if those items are not going to be useable anymore. Wouldn’t someone come up with updated versions of them? Or is there a way to use them on Genesis (or Michael 3/4) which I don’t know of—besides that ‘Crossdresser’ thing?

Actually, there’s an M2-to-M3 figure that came with M3 that allowed you to use your M1 and M2 clothing on M3. Even way back then, DAZ was trying to keep clothing from being obsolete!  smile

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Posted: 08 October 2012 11:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I doubt there’s too many people still doing photo realistic renders with M3 or below anymore. Maybe some toon rendering stuff. And I’m sure tons of people are still using them for artistic reference.

I still use Gen 4 since I only work in Carrara 7 Pro. I don’t see much of a difference between a C8 Pro render of a Genesis figure and a C7 Pro render of a Gen 4 figure.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 11:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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SmallFry - 08 October 2012 10:56 AM

Actually, there’s an M2-to-M3 figure that came with M3 that allowed you to use your M1 and M2 clothing on M3.

IS THERE?! ohh

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Posted: 08 October 2012 01:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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I have converted pants, tunic and wolf pack from Viking Pack for Michael to Michael 4 using Crossdresser.
Then I have fitted the clothes to Michael 5 heroic and rendered in Daz Studio 4 Pro. Pants are together with boots
and I have not found the way to avoid distorsions, so far. Tunic also get easily distorted in different poses.
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Posted: 08 October 2012 11:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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K T Ong - 08 October 2012 09:51 AM

...

(To Kerya: why are you still using the older figures? Just curious. smile)

Because they are easy to work with - even with lower computer specs ...
V2 and M2:

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