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Posted: 06 October 2012 12:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Red Sonja has actually explained early on in her comic that she wears what she does to distract men. For my own skimpwear-wearing fantasy character (Smacky), I just wrote that her sister trained her to focus on avoiding attacks altogether (to avoid injury but also so she can wear whatever she likes).  smile  So yes, “After all, full-coverage armor is really only for those who don’t know how to fight.” is a great line, reminiscent of Mr. Miyagi’s “best block, no be there”.


Hooray for fantasy skimpywear!

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Posted: 06 October 2012 05:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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*I should probably stay out of this but I can’t leave things well enough alone*
I’m pretty sure it comes down to 3 things as far as complaints are concerned:

1) Abundance.  Essentially the “we’ve got 30 stringy things yet we still don’t have a decent jacket” argument.  This is a gap that’s been getting filled but there’s a fair bit of frustration of new items and nothing that different in the pipeline.
2) Outfit quirks.  Some outfits…just look gaudy.  Sometimes there’s a really cool outfit with that one thing that doesn’t make sense.  For an example, Surian Priestess 2 looks like it would work great for something Mortal Kombat-esque but then it comes with those ridiculous shoes.  I certainly don’t want to pick at Val3dArt since Yoshiko is an awesome outfit that works at being sexy and yet looking like a fighting outfit.  Which leads to…
3) The “fighter”/model.  A lot of them used to display the outfit tend to not look like they could fight their way out of a wet paper bag.  One of the things I like about Smacky is that she’s at least slightly toned and most of her art is actually fighting.

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Posted: 06 October 2012 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Sometimes there’s a really cool outfit with that one thing that doesn’t make sense.

Yep, this is really true. Even the Sentry, which the original poster referenced, has nicely-made but completely ridiculous shoes. I honestly don’t remember Surian Priestess’ shoes being that bad, aren’t they basically open-toed sandals?


One of the things I like about Smacky is that she’s at least slightly toned and most of her art is actually fighting.

Thank you very much.  smile  I know her outfit is silly too, but what’s obvious is also the truth - you’re going to get far more people to look at a fantasy woman in a tiny outfit than one in realistic armor.  You’re also almost certainly going to sell more tiny outfits than realistic ones, hence the flood that you mentioned.

 

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Posted: 06 October 2012 06:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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SnowSultan - 06 October 2012 05:47 PM

Sometimes there’s a really cool outfit with that one thing that doesn’t make sense.

Yep, this is really true. Even the Sentry, which the original poster referenced, has nicely-made but completely ridiculous shoes. I honestly don’t remember Surian Priestess’ shoes being that bad, aren’t they basically open-toed sandals?

The original looks like she’s barefoot. In the followup version…

One of the things I like about Smacky is that she’s at least slightly toned and most of her art is actually fighting.

Thank you very much.  smile  I know her outfit is silly too, but what’s obvious is also the truth - you’re going to get far more people to look at a fantasy woman in a tiny outfit than one in realistic armor.  You’re also almost certainly going to sell more tiny outfits than realistic ones, hence the flood that you mentioned.

Not all silly skimpy outfits are bad.  While I’ll admit to being the nitpicky analyst guy at times, I’ve certainly done pinup renders before and it seems like there is (or ought to be) an invisible threshold somewhere.  And maybe it might come down to just adding a few action oriented images to the promos instead of just pinups.  I mean this and this ought to occupy their own different niches of awesome and sexy (even the full armor).

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Posted: 06 October 2012 07:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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ZamuelNow - 06 October 2012 05:12 PM

*I should probably stay out of this but I can’t leave things well enough alone*
I’m pretty sure it comes down to 3 things as far as complaints are concerned:

1) Abundance.  Essentially the “we’ve got 30 stringy things yet we still don’t have a decent jacket” argument.  This is a gap that’s been getting filled but there’s a fair bit of frustration of new items and nothing that different in the pipeline.
2) Outfit quirks.  Some outfits…just look gaudy.  Sometimes there’s a really cool outfit with that one thing that doesn’t make sense.  For an example, Surian Priestess 2 looks like it would work great for something Mortal Kombat-esque but then it comes with those ridiculous shoes.  I certainly don’t want to pick at Val3dArt since Yoshiko is an awesome outfit that works at being sexy and yet looking like a fighting outfit.  Which leads to…
3) The “fighter”/model.  A lot of them used to display the outfit tend to not look like they could fight their way out of a wet paper bag.  One of the things I like about Smacky is that she’s at least slightly toned and most of her art is actually fighting.


By all means please do share your views - both positive and negative - that is what the forums are for grin

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Posted: 06 October 2012 08:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I sometimes feel a bit saturated by the skimpy stuff. I know there is a big market for it, but I just can’t use outfits like this that much, so I guess I’m not the target audience.  =-)

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Posted: 06 October 2012 09:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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SereneNight - 06 October 2012 08:56 PM

I sometimes feel a bit saturated by the skimpy stuff. I know there is a big market for it, but I just can’t use outfits like this that much, so I guess I’m not the target audience.  =-)

Fortunately for me, I am the target audience, LOL.

That being said, I find the available 3D skimpy outfits rather redundant and usually lacking in creativity or any real world or 3D common sense. Any top or dress that covers the breasts across the middle is really hard to get realistic looking (unless dynamic) when using custom morphs, WW, morphing clothes or even autofit and genesis because of the lack of spandex morphs, yet vendors keep producing these exact types of outfits instead of having any insight or creativity. There are plenty of styles that have never been done. I know lots of dancers, my GF used to be one and there are places online and stores we shop at with lots of these styles.

To the person that rarely uses these kinds of outfits in 3D it may seem like an over abundance, but for someone that actively looks for unique and specific styles with quality mesh in this area, the pickings are kinda slim.

 

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Posted: 06 October 2012 11:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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I’d argue FSMCDesigns that you do a good job of showing how neither side is really winning since even those who are the target audience aren’t being provided for.  And I find “target audience” interesting since it seems like some spot in the middle might appeal to both sides if there’s some smart material zone setups.  It shouldn’t be full binary on who an outfit works for.

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Posted: 07 October 2012 12:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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ZamuelNow - 06 October 2012 11:21 PM

I’d argue FSMCDesigns that you do a good job of showing how neither side is really winning since even those who are the target audience aren’t being provided for.  And I find “target audience” interesting since it seems like some spot in the middle might appeal to both sides if there’s some smart material zone setups.  It shouldn’t be full binary on who an outfit works for.


Yeah, I think more broadly there’s a market for more versatile clothing in general, not just skimpwear. The Supersuit is a good example. It costs more than other plain bodysuits, but it is enormously versatile and opens up a multitude of possibilities for add-on products that are specific outfits derived from the base suit. I don’t know of many items like this, but I’d be happy for anyone to share any good ones because I tend to scoop those up.

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Posted: 07 October 2012 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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mjc1016 - 05 October 2012 06:45 PM

Hell, some of the fiercest fighters, throughout history chucked armor to the side and fought naked…the Spartans, Celtic/Germanic berserkers, elite Incan warriors (jaguar skin doesn’t really count as armor) and so on…
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Yep, but consider that every one of them is dead! 8-o

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Posted: 07 October 2012 08:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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LeatherGryphon - 07 October 2012 07:22 AM
mjc1016 - 05 October 2012 06:45 PM

Hell, some of the fiercest fighters, throughout history chucked armor to the side and fought naked…the Spartans, Celtic/Germanic berserkers, elite Incan warriors (jaguar skin doesn’t really count as armor) and so on…
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Yep, but consider that every one of them is dead! 8-o

But at least they died proudly fighting other naked men.

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Posted: 07 October 2012 08:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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ZamuelNow - 06 October 2012 11:21 PM

I’d argue FSMCDesigns that you do a good job of showing how neither side is really winning since even those who are the target audience aren’t being provided for.  And I find “target audience” interesting since it seems like some spot in the middle might appeal to both sides if there’s some smart material zone setups.  It shouldn’t be full binary on who an outfit works for.

I agree. That was a good post.


Perhaps if having more than one texture, or more complex meshes is the answer. You know, instead of bare cleavage down to the navel, and holes in strange places to show off maximum skin, if those outfits also had a version where the holes were say repaired, and the blouse zipped up and the whole shebang had some layers. I dont’ care if the primary version is skimpwear- I just would like there to be something useful for me too.

(Poor Michael. No one at all complaining about the surfeit of skimpwear for him. He’s lucky to get a swimsuit and a surf outfit!) Heh!

 

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Posted: 07 October 2012 08:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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mjc1016 - 05 October 2012 06:45 PM

Hell, some of the fiercest fighters, throughout history chucked armor to the side and fought naked…the Spartans, Celtic/Germanic berserkers, elite Incan warriors (jaguar skin doesn’t really count as armor) and so on…
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Yep, but consider that every one of them is dead! 8-o

But at least they died proudly fighting other naked men.


Bwaaahahaha!

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Posted: 07 October 2012 08:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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SereneNight - 07 October 2012 08:29 AM

Perhaps if having more than one texture, or more complex meshes is the answer. You know, instead of bare cleavage down to the navel, and holes in strange places to show off maximum skin, if those outfits also had a version where the holes were say repaired, and the blouse zipped up and the whole shebang had some layers. I dont’ care if the primary version is skimpwear- I just would like there to be something useful for me too.

To my understanding it’s the reverse—make a full/modest outfit and then create the material zones in such a way that you can creatively poke holes in it.  It gets interesting when you look at preview pages for a full product that does this well since it shows off the range of possibilities on both ends of the spectrum.

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Posted: 08 October 2012 11:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Well, here’s an interesting proof of concept that decided to present itself: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/la-robe-de-gala/72815
Casual shirt and a bra/halter top thing presented in the main promo image.  The actual product is a dress.  Simple material zones more or less created 3 different things to use ranging within the covered and skimpy spectrum.  Granted this is V4 rather than Genesis but the actual example is still perfectly sound.

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