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I have a problem with the Australian Songbird collection which I would love to be solved

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/songbird-remix-australia-complete

When I inject the poses into the base model for most birds (all?) I end up with a terrible concave in the birds lower back.
See pictures.

The birds work perfectly in Poser so it is only a Carrara thing.

When I take it into the vertex room adding or subtracting bone influences makes no difference.

Zeroing the figure removes the concave but also removes the injection pose of course

Any help greatly appreciated!!

any other answers to thismost welcome

which specific birds and which build of Carrara?
I ask because I have had Galahs and sulphur crested cockies that worked ok in the past, have not tried lately in the beta.
alternately does it do it on a Poser exported pz3 too?
I will try again in the beta later as I meant to do a mimic singing parrot for my pirate video and never got around to it.

YES, I get this on the rosella, the night parrot, the king parrot, cockatiel, diamond dove, fairy wren to name a few
never noticed as I used the birds that were ok!
it is ok in C6pro!! just tried it
have C6 installed as the hair sometimes better.
and yes pz3 files do it in 8 too, I prob last used the other birds in C7pro which is only on my laptop, so Carrara 8 broke it by looks

the C6 .car file opened in 8 ok, so prob MY workaround, the other morphs work ok on it too!
no help to anyone else though!!!

tsarist - 02 October 2012 08:21 PM

Salome
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/salome/69935

Most of it loads into Carrara, but I haven’t had any luck with the skirt or Bra and veil. What does work, looks good.

Works fine in DS.

 

If anyone knows a workaround, please post it.
Thanks

If you have access to Poser, you can load all the peices and save it as a PZ3, then import it into Carrara.  You’ll have to raise the alpha slider on the veil and skirt (it’s almost invisible by default).  I wasn’t able to get the Bra to loasd in DS at all.  If you can get it to load in DS and don’t have Poser you might be able to import the DS save into Carrara…

wendy♥catz - 07 October 2012 05:34 PM

YES, I get this on the rosella, the night parrot, the king parrot, cockatiel, diamond dove, fairy wren to name a few
never noticed as I used the birds that were ok!
it is ok in C6pro!! just tried it
have C6 installed as the hair sometimes better.
and yes pz3 files do it in 8 too, I prob last used the other birds in C7pro which is only on my laptop, so Carrara 8 broke it by looks

the C6 .car file opened in 8 ok, so prob MY workaround, the other morphs work ok on it too!
no help to anyone else though!!!

thanks for that Wendy, you are a gem!
yes I tried the Poser route - no go

so, getting it together in C6 and then importing into c8 works okay?
I wonder where my c6 went ? (when I brush my teeth with sterident…)

actually just the base from C6 works, can apply other birds to it
might from C7 too, I have not used many birds for a while, I shoud!

I just saw on Ken’s site there were some important updates for DS4
I have not updated my songbird files at all and indeed some do not work in DS4
maybe updating may help fix some issues in Carrara too.

ahh gee I didn’t even know he had a site!
http://www.empken.com/downloads/downloads2.html
thanks you are a double gem
...

(you know, I must be thick, all those wfs g base songbird remix 8778776 reminds me of this chested double barrled yellow crested great tit joke I once heard - in that I didn’t understand the joke ... )

Hey Wendy, thanks so much for your help.
I found a FAQ page on Ken’s site. He tells you to export from daz studio via collada and not load it up the poser way :( GAH
But the work around is buried at the bottom of the page
http://www.empken.com/wiki/index.php5?title=FAQ:_Frequently_Asked_Questions#Weird_Hip_bumps_and_messed_up_feet

for some reason the z scale of the thighs (ken calls it y) comes in at 75 percent instead of100 percent like the x and y.
So setting both thigh z scales to 100 percent appears to fix it

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah y

nothing like burying useful data away like that

PS he has free birds here too http://www.empken.com/downloads/downloads2.html

head wax - 07 October 2012 09:59 PM

Hey Wendy, thanks so much for your help.
I found a FAQ page on Ken’s site. He tells you to export from daz studio via collada and not load it up the poser way :( GAH
But the work around is buried at the bottom of the page
http://www.empken.com/wiki/index.php5?title=FAQ:_Frequently_Asked_Questions#Weird_Hip_bumps_and_messed_up_feet

for some reason the z scale of the thighs (ken calls it y) comes in at 75 percent instead of100 percent like the x and y.
So setting both thigh z scales to 100 percent appears to fix it

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah y

nothing like burying useful data away like that

PS he has free birds here too http://www.empken.com/downloads/downloads2.html

I’m glad you found the website.  For anyone else reading this…  songbirdremix.com  will get you there.

Some of my models use zScale and some use yScale on the hips—hence the confusion in the wiki.  I’ve updated the wiki and added both z and y in.  The Carrara team is aware of the improper scaling translation issues and has been working to resolve it.  Hopefully some day we’ll see it resolved.

As Wendy pointed, out there are a few updates— I’m always adding new morphs to my CR2 bases trying to improve on the model.  There will be even more notable changes next spring when I gear up for my 10th anniversary of the Songbird ReMix series.  The most recent update is for DAZ Studio 4.5+ users. 

DS Users Important changes…
Since DAZ Studio 1.0, I’ve requested that DAZ Studio properly translate the Poser Cr2 PropagatingScale command within Studio. Many of the bird feet as scaled according to species.  For years I’ve hand-coded the DAZ versions to add scale to each of the digits of the feet to simulate the PropagatingScale command (in Poser, I simply have to scale the foot and all it’s children automatically scale).  That command finally got put into the code with 4.5, the problem is that now it multiplies the manually scaled digits in my DS files so you end up with sausage toes.  With 800+ birds to go through, undoing the scaling is going to take a while.  Updates will appear in my downloads plus some improved texture maps (I’m always trying to improve my birds).

Another DS 4.5 problem is reading a saved SBRM .duf file—it crashes (it doesn’t like my Wing Contollers)—I’ve heard it’s been fixed for the next DS release.

thank you Ken, that’s very good of you to clarify that.
I love your work by the way, very dedicated, very eclectic and very useful.
It’s good to see someone with so much passion.

here’s something using some of your birds

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/221/P255/

head wax - 13 October 2012 10:37 PM

here’s something using some of your birds

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/221/P255/

Great image… you should consider entering my annual contest next year…

http://www.empken.com/SongbirdReMix/contest.htm

thank you Ken! I’ll keep my ear t o the ground - they are great prizes. It’s a good choice the 2012 winner .!
When the contest comes up any chance of announcing it the Carrara forum as well? I’m sure there are a lot of Carrara users who would be interested.

I just bought Toons Vulture ...I can get it to import but the model and hips won’t move i, it stays fixed in one place, the other parts of the model do ...any suggestions?

LaniNoa - 16 October 2012 09:54 PM

I just bought Toons Vulture ...I can get it to import but the model and hips won’t move i, it stays fixed in one place, the other parts of the model do ...any suggestions?

this happens with Noggin’s chook.\
Workaround for that is to check the constraints.
If it says “Full” try “none”.

(it’s not conformed to anotjer figure by chance?)