Autofit and previous Gen 3 and 4 Conversions

PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
edited December 1969 in Art Studio

So I'm finally at the point where I'm trying to convert all my older stuff to Genesis and I thought I might share my journey with others in the hope that I can show what autofit is now capable of and also that I might pick up a few hints from others. Feel free to post your conversions using autofit...

Starting with Kiyoko in DNA's Morphing Gown...Fisty's Crushed velvet shader and IG's simple softbox light

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Some less interesting renders more a proof of concept

    basic genesis, chibigirl and mavka...this one still needs some work and I've actually done a skirt fix but no renders yet.

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    The dress for V3

    Basic Genesis first with no adjustments...second changing smoothing to generic and adjusting smoothing iterations and both weight options.

    Note: that adjusting settings seems to have cleared up the stretching in the front of the dress.

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    A couple more of the dress to show how well it takes the different shapes...

    Mr Hyde, Mavka, Nata,

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  • Jake__RusselJake__Russel Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I haven't bought the Gen 3 morphs yet. How does it work? Does it just install into genesis and you just load up the Gen 3 clothing (and select M3 or V3 during the auto fit menu?) Also, have you been having problems with shoes using Gen 3 shoes because I think everyone gets the crumpled shoes when using M4 shoes.

  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,932
    edited December 1969

    Pendraia said:
    The dress for V3

    Basic Genesis first with no adjustments...second changing smoothing to generic and adjusting smoothing iterations and both weight options.

    Note: that adjusting settings seems to have cleared up the stretching in the front of the dress.

    That's awesome! Would you be kind enough to elaborate on the adjusting smoothing iterations and weight options... I have many clothing that I've transferred to genesis, and they all get that strange mesh scrunching up and stretching (like in the first pic of the dress on default genesis) I'd love to learn it better... Thanks :)

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    I haven't bought the Gen 3 morphs yet. How does it work? Does it just install into genesis and you just load up the Gen 3 clothing (and select M3 or V3 during the auto fit menu?) Also, have you been having problems with shoes using Gen 3 shoes because I think everyone gets the crumpled shoes when using M4 shoes.

    When you buy the gen3 iconic figures you also get their clones for the autofit tool.

    It then works the same as any autofit...either when the garment loads or when you use the fit to option in the parameter tab, you get to choose which figure the autofit will use and which template. I often use the loose bodysuit option even with dresses as it doesn't cling to the figure shape as much. Basically I play with the different settings to see which will give the best results.
    Once autofitted if it needs it I add a smoothing modifier in the scene tab. Then I play with the settings for the smoothing in the parameters tab.

    Shoes seem to cause the most problems...some because they aren't welded together and some just don't convert well.

    Some shoes do fare well though, for example the shoes from the m4 puck outfit transferred beautifully but the boots from wildenlander didn't because they came apart at the seams literally. A lot depends on how the meshes are designed.

    The DNA morphing gown worked beautifully but the ever after dress needed an adjustment morph mainly due to the layering and the lack of welding.

    I've been having a lot of fun with it. I converted the puck outfit and used it with a Sadie and Mavka mix...I posted pics in the threads on Sadie if you're interested. I have more images to post but it will have to wait until I'm on my computer.

  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,932
    edited December 1969

    Every pair of shoes i have for gen 4 dont convert well at all for genesis.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Spyro said:
    Pendraia said:
    The dress for V3

    Basic Genesis first with no adjustments...second changing smoothing to generic and adjusting smoothing iterations and both weight options.

    Note: that adjusting settings seems to have cleared up the stretching in the front of the dress.

    That's awesome! Would you be kind enough to elaborate on the adjusting smoothing iterations and weight options... I have many clothing that I've transferred to genesis, and they all get that strange mesh scrunching up and stretching (like in the first pic of the dress on default genesis) I'd love to learn it better... Thanks :)

    First...I'm not an expert. I'd be the first to admit I'm not sure what some do and why/how.

    First setting I normally play with is the smoothing modifier option...I've found that generic shape seems to be the one I choose the most.

    Smoothing iterations is the next one. I try to keep that under the halfway mark mainly as the higher it is the more likely it will freeze my system.

    The first of the weight options I tend to think of it as being the weight of the fabric but I highly doubt that's what it actually is...like I said not an expert. Lol

    I tend to move that towards the right hand side but I use it sparingly.

    The second weight option tends to be just the left of the first.

    Lock distance seems to effect how far the mesh can move...I can't explain exactly but you'll see what I mean when you play with it.

    I tend to just move them around until I get a result that I like. I've recently decided that it's probably better to create any adjustment morphs on an unsmoothed mesh, mainly because you'll lose less of the original draping and then use smoothing to fix any minor problems.

    I've been saving them as wearable presets...unfortunately this is not a format I can share as it embeds the geometry.

    Hope this helps...

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Spyro said:
    Every pair of shoes i have for gen 4 dont convert well at all for genesis.
    I was surprised that the puck ones did... The gen3 shoes are supposed to convert better due to zeroed position of the feet iirc. The 19th century shoes for d3 converted well also. I'll try and post some pics before going to bed. I'm watching sanctuary and checking messages on the iPad at the moment.

  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,932
    edited December 1969

    Thank you very much! I'll give it all a go. There's so many of these adjustments that I never thought of LOL

    Thanks :cheese:

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Spyro said:
    Thank you very much! I'll give it all a go. There's so many of these adjustments that I never thought of LOL

    Thanks :cheese:

    No problem as I said I just play and if I can't get the result with the smoothing modifier I'll send it to Hexagon and create a morph.

    Here's the puck images and the 19th century suit...

    also the s3 grecoroman chiton and himation...that required a morph due to all the layering and I'm still not happy with some of what happens with some shapes. I'm still trying to work out how to create the morphs for the different shapes...I've had problems when sending them back to DS. Still have to figure that out...; )

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  • Norse GraphicsNorse Graphics Posts: 0
    edited October 2012

    What happens if you miss polygons when converting to Genesis? Has it ever happened to you?

    I have looked into the Transfer utility, and it is only on one arm that the polygons are missing, the other side is perfect. Converting to Weight-map seemed to work, it was only when I applied the Transfer utility that the results below occured:

    It seems the M4 Monk Robes needs readjustment in Predatron's workshop...

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    What happens if you miss polygons when converting to Genesis? Has it ever happened to you?

    I have looked into the Transfer utility, and it is only on one arm that the polygons are missing, the other side is perfect. Converting to Weight-map seemed to work, it was only when I applied the Transfer utility that the results below occured:

    It seems the M4 Monk Robes needs readjustment in Predatron's workshop...


    Hi Norse, I haven't noticed anything like that so far. I'm assuming from your last sentence that its the monk robes?

    Unfortunately I don't own them so can't try myself. Which polygons are missing and where? If I have a problem I take stuff into hexagon and see if it can be fixed. The ever after dress needed some work in there and so did a couple of other things. My main problem has been where items aren't joined together and come apart with smoothing on some shapes.

    Sorry I don't feel like I've been able to help much so far...

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited October 2012

    Just saw your post with the images...

    A couple of thoughts, first could you do me a quick render with genesis turned invisible via the scene tab? I had a thought about why the bits might be missing and that would confirm it one way or another.
    Also have you added a smoothing modifier since auto fitting the robe?
    Second the issue with the cord...is it mainly that the bottom of the cord is hidden by the skirt of the robe? If so have you checked for morphs to move it forward? Also have you checked in the scene tab if it can be selected and moved using the parameter tab?

    You've probably tried all this but best to double check before trying anything else.

    If it doesn't the cord should be fairly easy to fix in Hexagon. If you want I could help talk you through the process.

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  • Norse GraphicsNorse Graphics Posts: 0
    edited October 2012

    Phase1: Load Genesis and the Monk Robes for M4. Make sure Genesis is not selected.

    Phase2: Make sure Robes are selected, and convert to weight-mapping (triaxis) in the Edit-menu on the Scene-tab. Select Triaxis and accept. Robes seems ok after conversion.

    Phase3: Still selected, go to Assets-menu on the Scene-tab, and select "Transfer Utility".

    Settings used (after watching Youtube tutorial):
    Source - Scene item: Genesis; Item Shape:Clone (select Michael4 and Accept)
    Target - Scene Item: Monk Robes for M4; Item Shape: default.
    Projection template: Bodysuit - loose. (same results with Dress - knee-length)
    Added in the Projection options; Reverse Source Shape from Target.
    Then click Accept to fix the new rigging.

    Then it works and the polygons gets lost on the right arm. The left arm works perfectly, so it's a one-side issue here. That's why I thought it was 'wrong' on parts of the mesh. I even started to look for something to flip the polygons, but as they aren't see-through otherwise, then that's a moot point.

    No, I didn't add any modifiers at all. The renders are 'straight-out-of-the-box'

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    That is really strange...if those images were all from the process you followed that seems more of the polygons were lost doing it that way.

    The picture you posted in the other thread didn't seem so bad.

    I had thought from the other picture that the polygons may have been hidden under the arm of genesis you sometimes see that happening with smoothing.

    Well that blows one idea out of the water. Have you tried contacting Predatron?

    Not much point to working on the cord issue until this is resolved.

  • Norse GraphicsNorse Graphics Posts: 0
    edited October 2012

    I'll PM him.

    Edit. I tried, but I got a 'One or more of the Screen Names submitted were invalid.'.... And I clicked the PM-box in his profile.

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    I'll PM him.

    Edit. I tried, but I got a 'One or more of the Screen Names submitted were invalid.'.... And I clicked the PM-box in his profile.


    Oh...I don't have time this instant but if I get chance Ill pm him and see if I have any luck. It would be great if he updated it for genesis...I originally had it on my wish list but cleared out gen4 stuff once I decided I wasn't using them.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 19,412
    edited December 1969

    If you try PMing him again, it should work now.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 19,413
    edited December 1969

    PM should be working now.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited October 2012

    Thanks for the info Richard and Cho! : )

    edited to add...I've sent Predatron a message asking if he intends to update the robes to genesis and also pointed him to this thread so he can see the problem.

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  • Norse GraphicsNorse Graphics Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I just sent a PM after reading the latest posts here. Thanks!!

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 3,784
    edited October 2012

    When I use the transfer utility mehod to convert I don't bother with a template, do you feel that choosing a template works better?

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    When I use the transfer utility mehod to convert I don't bother with a template, do you feel that choosing a template works better?
    Depends on what the item is. I start with the one specifically for the item(if there is one) but I sometimes find that using the loose bodysuit template works well even for dresses. Seems to give me less problems with pokethrough and other stuff. Some things that don't have templates I use the none option for them.

    My recommendation would be to start with the template most suited and if it doesn't work well try something like the loose bodysuit and see if that works better.

    Also don't forgot to add smoothing and play with the settings that can make a lot of difference.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    I was asked in this thread http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/10830/ if I could explain the process I use in Hexagon to fix some of the distortions from autofit.

    So for what it's worth here it is...it works well for me but your mileage may vary.

    Load MFD(or other outfit onto Genesis in DS.
    With MFD settings are V4 Template is Dress knee length
    Send to Hexagon via the bridge.
    Click on the padlock to lock Genesis in the scene tree tab.
    Click on symmetry in the property tab select x
    Click on the edge selection and select the front bottom edge. Put soft selection on about .600 in the properties tab. Using the green manipulator move the hem down to where it should be.
    Click on UV and paint tab
    Click on the soften tool and drag it gently down from where the mesh shows distortion a couple of times.
    It should even out the mesh stop when you're happy with how it looks.
    Validate and apply...save regularly in case you muck something up. I use incremental save.
    Reselect the soften tool and gently run it over and distortions. It should gradually straighten the mesh.
    Validate and apply when happy and make sure you save.
    Use the edge selection choose one of the bottom edges of the dress and hit loop. This should select the bottom edge. Remove soft selection.
    Using Green manipulator gently move it down to correct spot.
    Do the same with the next two edge loops to spread them out a little more evenly.
    Selection the dress...I also like to make sure the selection if for the object not the edge(just to be on the safe side) and click on file sent to DS.
    This should activate a dialogue box for loading a morph.
    I would call it skirt fix and click accept.
    Make sure MFD is selected go to parameters and apply the morph.

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Sorry the images arent' in the correct order...I may have to do a pdf file\

    Partially done with the smoothing

    I'll add some more of renders in DS later as I have to go...

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Norse Graphics, I think I have solved your problem...I was going through my one note file sorting them out and found this post by Sickleyield

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/10836/

    As you can see she had a similar problem with holes appearing in the mesh

    Looks like it may be a glitch with the transfer utility assigning stuff to the left toe.

    Have a read and see if it matches your problem.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Just a quick post of Julie in the everafter dress for a3. Some postwork on waistband which I still need to fix in hexagon.

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Still slowly plugging away at converting the clothing...


    Here's something out of V3's wardrobe...worn by her Gen clone.

    Two issues one with the flag which wasn't there until I posed the figure and the other a slight kink in the cape that can be fixed with a morph in Hex.

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 2,522
    edited December 1969

    Was able to reduce the distortion on the flag using smoothing and also created a morph fix for the cape.

    Still needs more work...I've played with adding some rigging to the front skirt but it needs more work.

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