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Posted: 26 September 2012 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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In regard to people who pay money to put things up for people to use…I do my website is a paid site. The only things I have at share are a couple of things that I didn’t have time to make pages for my site so I put them up there .

I think I better start pestering my daughter to revamp my website…it really needs doing! I will probably still occasionally put things up there. If I’m reading it correctly the subscription is only for those who want to remove the adds…mind you I’m still drinking my first cuppa for the day and I could have missed something…

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Posted: 26 September 2012 02:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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JasmineSkunk - 26 September 2012 02:15 PM

Well..

People downloading probably wouldn’t have to pay would they? I took it to mean that those who were using it for hosting would be required to pay…

which is not unreasonable…

I will be sad to see ShareCG not stay free, but I can’t blame them for trying to find a solution for paying their bills… downer

...things are just changing too much everywhere lately…kinda sad about it, but I don’t think they’re being “greedy” or anything… $10 a year is more than reasonable… I think they’re just trying to stay afloat in a stormy economy….but it’s still too sad. downer

I’m not sure.  It really wasn’t very clear on what the $10 accounts would allow.

If it’s paid hosting/add free browsing, then I have even fewer concerns about it.  I probably won’t keep my few freebies up, because I don’t have enough there to justify the expense, but if I had bunches of freebies, I’d be fine with paying $10/year for hosting.

If it’s $10/year for any access (uploads or downloads), that’s where it gets fuzzy on if they’re really still freebies, even for such a minor cost.  And that may cost them more content providers than $10 for hosting.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 02:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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randym77 - 26 September 2012 12:04 PM

I don’t think charging people is going to work.  $10/year is not a lot, but I don’t think the average Poser user will pay it.  Never mind the people who create the free stuff, who then have to pay to give it away. 

I understand that ShareCG has to make money, but perhaps their business plan was ill conceived.  You can get free storage at so many sites now (Google, 4shared, Skydrive, etc.) that I don’t know why anyone would pay to host their freebies at ShareCG.

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People downloading probably wouldn’t have to pay would they? I took it to mean that those who were using it for hosting would be required to pay…

which is not unreasonable…

I will be sad to see ShareCG not stay free, but I can’t blame them for trying to find a solution for paying their bills… downer

...things are just changing too much everywhere lately…kinda sad about it, but I don’t think they’re being “greedy” or anything… $10 a year is more than reasonable… I think they’re just trying to stay afloat in a stormy economy….but it’s still too sad. downer

Actually, as someone who downloads from ShareCG I would be quite willing to pay $10 a year for the storage, indexing, and preview features they supply. I will be first to admit that I NEVER click on banner ads (I never even see them - I run a local proxy server that captures and responds to all requests to known ad sites), so I have no problem with supporting sites by donations.

Looking at what I’ve pulled down from ShareCG over the last year that $10 works out to about 20 cents per item.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 03:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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As i stated in the comments, I think charging the users downloading the content a $5.00 annual fee would’ve been better than charging the content providers.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 03:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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I, too, don’t see $10 a year being an obstacle as I have downloaded a lot of items from ShareCG over the years and would like to see the site continue (becoming ad free is just a bonus, for me).

If the owner would reinstate the ability to donate through PayPal to freebie contributors, I think some (maybe many) would basically have their subscriptions paid for.

For the freebie contest, are the weekly free items from DAZ allowed? If so, how does that differ from using a free product from ShareCG as a subscription site? After a week, those items are no longer free, whereas, on ShareCG, they remain free.

Hopefully, with the restructuring, ShareCG will take a look at fixing their license choices so it will be clearer how items may be used.

I also like the fact that they plan (if they go the subscription route) to add the chance for vendors to sell their products—especially if they offer a better commission rate than the current well-known sites do. Quality control would be an issue that needs some more looking into and whether or not there would be a return policy. ShareCG is already an well-established site, so placing products there for sale would not be too tough a decision for many people looking to expand their markets.

Meanwhile, while they did not say anything about it, I highly doubt that they will make the subscription a retroactive requirement for people who already have products hosted there.

My nickel…

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Posted: 26 September 2012 03:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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LmWolfSpirit - 26 September 2012 03:46 PM

I, too, don’t see $10 a year being an obstacle as I have downloaded a lot of items from ShareCG over the years and would like to see the site continue (becoming ad free is just a bonus, for me).

If the owner would reinstate the ability to donate through PayPal to freebie contributors, I think some (maybe many) would basically have their subscriptions paid for.

For the freebie contest, are the weekly free items from DAZ allowed? If so, how does that differ from using a free product from ShareCG as a subscription site? After a week, those items are no longer free, whereas, on ShareCG, they remain free.

Hopefully, with the restructuring, ShareCG will take a look at fixing their license choices so it will be clearer how items may be used.

I also like the fact that they plan (if they go the subscription route) to add the chance for vendors to sell their products—especially if they offer a better commission rate than the current well-known sites do. Quality control would be an issue that needs some more looking into and whether or not there would be a return policy. ShareCG is already an well-established site, so placing products there for sale would not be too tough a decision for many people looking to expand their markets.

Meanwhile, while they did not say anything about it, I highly doubt that they will make the subscription a retroactive requirement for people who already have products hosted there.

My nickel…

That is explained in our rules.  The Freebie Challenge is an official DAZ 3D challenge, and yes Daz 3D freebies are allowed,  But only for the month in which they were released.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 04:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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I am just thinking of all the cool models etc that will disappear when their creators decide they do not want to start to pay for having them there.
unless it is for new stuff uploaded only.
I can live with paying a peppercorn fee as suggested for downloading.
I still think having a store for vendors and maybe a fee for enabling the paypal donation option (not on the donations, just for having it, not a big fee either) is a better option.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 05:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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LmWolfSpirit’s post raised another question. Cho clarified the rule on the Daz freebies. What if ALL of ShareCG is ruled “paid for” as a result of having to pay a subscription to download? Even if they require a subscription, I think we should still be able to use appropriately licensed items from ShareCG as freebies in contests. What say ye?

Personally, I think $9.99/year is a bargain considering how much I’ve downloaded from there. cool smile I have uploaded a few items too. I think it’s also true that people who create and upload are downloading other people’s freebies as well. A lot of the 3d sites that host freebies require you to register, and that’s not a problem for me. It’s a problem remembering where they all are…

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Posted: 26 September 2012 05:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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As I have not read the Freebie Contest rules (cannot find them), if the fact that an item came from a subscription site precluded it from being used, then Platinum Members would be excluded from the use of ANY DAZ freebies. There were a lot of freebies available to new subscribers years ago (including the MFDs and expansions) along with a more extensive freebie section of older items. Platinum Members would also be restricted from using any of the free LE packs still available.  So I do not see how a subscription could be a deciding factor on whether or not something is free.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 05:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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LmWolfSpirit - 26 September 2012 05:22 PM

As I have not read the Freebie Contest rules (cannot find them), if the fact that an item came from a subscription site precluded it from being used, then Platinum Members would be excluded from the use of ANY DAZ freebies. There were a lot of freebies available to new subscribers years ago (including the MFDs and expansions) along with a more extensive freebie section of older items. Platinum Members would also be restricted from using any of the free LE packs still available.  So I do not see how a subscription could be a deciding factor on whether or not something is free.

PC membership only gets you deep discounts on items you pay for, and a special forum area. AFAIK, the weekly freebie and the old freebie archive (RIP) could be accessed by PC members just like anybody else. It’s about the “anybody else” part. If anybody can download a freebie without paying specifically for that item, I think it should count as free, even if the site needs a donation to stay afloat.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 05:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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wendy♥catz - 26 September 2012 04:19 PM

I am just thinking of all the cool models etc that will disappear when their creators decide they do not want to start to pay for having them there.

Just think of all the ‘cool stuff’ that will disappear if Dave decides it’s just not worth it anymore and closes down the whole site.

Re-reading the letter, for about the sixth time…

It looks like the subscription will be to remove the ads for subscribers.  There was nothing said about current services stopping. 

In fact, ShareCG has been running in the red and only kept alive and supported by re-directing funds from our other properties.  But, just chugging along without being able to provide timely new innovations to our audience is not a solution for either us or for you.

We are considering changing the ShareCG business model from banner ads to a subscription model.  I am proposing that members subscribe at just $9.99 a year for a banner free ShareCG that will have the resources to add services that will make the site a better place to visit and that will bring the community closer together.  We have a number of projects planned and ready to go that will:.

As to disallowing ‘freebies’ from ShareCG…should the Freebie contest also disallow all freebies hosted on other sites that also charge a subscription for a higher level of service (ad-free, faster downloads, etc) or are hosted on paid servers?

 

 

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Posted: 26 September 2012 05:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Slimer_J_Spud - 26 September 2012 05:31 PM

PC membership only gets you deep discounts on items you pay for, and a special forum area. AFAIK, the weekly freebie and the old freebie archive (RIP) could be accessed by PC members just like anybody else. It’s about the “anybody else” part. If anybody can download a freebie without paying specifically for that item, I think it should count as free, even if the site needs a donation to stay afloat.

Thank you so much for clarifying that for me! I finally found the rules. The only rule that I see that might be considered applicable is the one regarding items being available to all users. However, I would suggest that the freebies at ShareCG would be available to all users. They would just need to make the choice whether or not a $10/year subscription is worth it to them along with access to so many other items. The item itself is still free.

 

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Posted: 26 September 2012 06:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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MJ007 - 26 September 2012 03:37 PM

As i stated in the comments, I think charging the users downloading the content a $5.00 annual fee would’ve been better than charging the content providers.

-MJ

Agree. Downloaders should pay.

The usefulness of ShareCG isn’t that it hosts the content. Google will do that for free. But will people find your stuff? If you’re a well known vendor, sure. But what if you’re just cutting your teeth with freebies and trying to get a following? You can make all the Google sites you want, but not very many people will find you. ShareCG makes it easy to search for all sorts of content all on one site.

But it’s unreasonable to charge the content providers.

Even if it were $1 a year for every downloader, that would be better than charging the content creators. Surely they outnumber the downloaders at least 10 to 1.

Who could argue reasonably about $1 a year?

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Posted: 26 September 2012 06:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Zev0 - 26 September 2012 11:46 AM

For the amount of awesome stuff I have collected in a year just from that site is well worth more than 9.99. I will gladly pay.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Considering ‘uploaders’ also tend to ‘download’ I really don’t think splitting hairs over that is worth the additional paperwork.

As a freeware uploader there, I have no problems with the idea of paying $10 a year for to have a nice banner free [oh man did some of those mess up the browsers] website to share my work from. Yes I can use other websites and do; but they don’t have the nice promo displays, nor the audience.

There has been a suggestion for a few free teasers that don’t require membership in order to download.

As many of the content providers have been and are people seeking employment and hoping for paypal donations to make it worth their while, again I don’t see the minimal annual membership fee being a barrier. It should be even better for them, allowing sales instead of everything being a free share. Some providers are notorious for having files that require hours of work to fix before use; others are almost if not always just fine as they are. Presumably it would still be in vendors’ best interests to provide some free items to show people how good their work is. A pay-per-scale might be a good idea too. Some do now in a way. Free for personal use; pay a donation of ‘x’ for commercial use.

And yes, those copyright licenses need attention. All the really old items in there have the default ‘all rights reserved’ which obviously is not what was intended by the uploaders who have long since [as far as I can tell] deserted their items. I don’t know if they’ll be gone - or if everything is transferred over ... so would highly recommend ‘if there’s something there you wanted later, get it now!’

I don’t have a problem with, whatever the rules are, an exception being made for freeware from sharecg.com being allowed in the contests here. The $10 is ‘peanuts’ esp given the great quality of many of the freeware items.

Anyway, it’s a make it or break it situation ... so I vote for let’s help make it! Even if you never buy an item again there ... can think of it as a thank you for all the goodies you got before.

There will be a way [shown in the demo website] for linking to your other webpages, videos, whatever. So even for those with their own websites, next to free advertizing! Don’t know how many visitors each vendor here has on their own webpages; but sharecg.com had LOTS. [sometimes too many but hay]

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