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Posted: 12 September 2012 10:04 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I have bought a few products in the last few days and I have noticed the read me files are gone from the installers and are now only available for online view. which is rather inconvenient if you are working off line and you need a read file.

can we please have the read me files included in the installers instead of being online

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Posted: 12 September 2012 10:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I agree.  I tried a few that were supposed to have on-line readme’s a couple of weeks ago, but the page was unavailable.  Readme’s are usually quite small, and I don;t know why they don’t still include them, it can’t be to save space or bandwith surely?  it would be easier all aound I think.

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Posted: 12 September 2012 10:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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yeah, I’d like a manual readme. I’ve taken to saving the html at the end in the same folder I save the installer, so I can locate the file after install. I have the worst time locating installed content, and until I started to do this, i could waste a lot of tim.

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Posted: 12 September 2012 11:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I’ve been clicking on the (Export as:) PDF button on the upper right.  It will generate a PDF and initiate a download to you.

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Posted: 12 September 2012 12:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Note, however, that the filelist won’t be included - you’ll need to grab that separately.

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Posted: 12 September 2012 12:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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One of the reasons the read me files are all online is that products change and get updated. The online read me files are there to have one location where you can go to see the latest updates and info on that product. This decision has come with a lot of controversy but it should help customers know exactly what the status of their products are at any given time.

The Create PDF is available when you install your products, and if you need the read me, save a pdf during the installation process.

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Posted: 12 September 2012 01:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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DAZ_bfurner - 12 September 2012 12:49 PM

One of the reasons the read me files are all online is that products change and get updated. The online read me files are there to have one location where you can go to see the latest updates and info on that product. This decision has come with a lot of controversy but it should help customers know exactly what the status of their products are at any given time.

The Create PDF is available when you install your products, and if you need the read me, save a pdf during the installation process.

I have no problem with the readme being on-line. It would be significantly better if the readme were directly linked to the product page.

However - I’m on dialup and my 3D system does NOT have internet access.  I see absolutely NO reason the readme cannot be included in the download package.

As it is, I use my laptop to mirror the complete readme section of the wiki when I’m at a wifi hotspot. Unfortunately, the config at the DAZ end is not co-operating and it is impossible at this time to just get the new and/or updated pages - the process pulls down the complete subsection of the readmes each time. This is a waste of bandwidth, but it is the best option available to me in my situation, so I continue to do it.

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Posted: 12 September 2012 03:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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DAZ_bfurner - 12 September 2012 12:49 PM

One of the reasons the read me files are all online is that products change and get updated. The online read me files are there to have one location where you can go to see the latest updates and info on that product. This decision has come with a lot of controversy but it should help customers know exactly what the status of their products are at any given time.

The Create PDF is available when you install your products, and if you need the read me, save a pdf during the installation process.

That is part of the problem.  I want to know what I have, not what is now available.

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Posted: 12 September 2012 05:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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DAZ_bfurner - 12 September 2012 12:49 PM

One of the reasons the read me files are all online is that products change and get updated. The online read me files are there to have one location where you can go to see the latest updates and info on that product. This decision has come with a lot of controversy but it should help customers know exactly what the status of their products are at any given time.

The Create PDF is available when you install your products, and if you need the read me, save a pdf during the installation process.

I thank you for the responce to my request.. But I want to file a compliant for 2 simple reason. I don’t need or want a bunch of saved read me’s web pages in my favorite folder on my browser and 2) I sometimes will bridge work over to my laptop and will work off line and read me files are not avail if I’m not on line.
It is after all rather inconvenient to have to save the read me’s in a PDF file plus the file list. because it was not part of the product in the installer. That is like buying a stereo that didn’t come with instructions on how to use it.

As Simon stated .. I want to know what I have bought when i bought it and not a upgraded read me that will not apply to my product i had originally purchased down the road..

So I would like to make this request again. Please ad the read me’s to the installers or zip files which ever the case maybe. If you update the product then you can update the read me that is included in the installer.
other wise my favorite folder has a ton of web site pages all named read me.. that is just silly.
What Maybe convenient for you all, is not at all convenient to your customers. just some food for thought.

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Posted: 12 September 2012 08:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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DAZ_bfurner - 12 September 2012 12:49 PM

This decision has come with a lot of controversy but it should help customers know exactly what the status of their products are at any given time.

I’m a customer, and I don’t know what the status of a product I recently bought is, because the online readme does not yet exist!

I really can’t understand why this decision was taken, given the incomplete state of the online readmes. Some items require a detailed set of instructions, they aren’t included in the installer any more and they aren’t online yet. See the problem?

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Posted: 13 September 2012 04:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Please give the readme’s back in the products when we buy them? It’s a good thing they are online also so if there are changes or updates we can find them there but for the product as it is when I bought it, I really would like to have the readme included.
I’m not always online and besides, the readme web page isn’t always reachable.
Thanks in advance. smile

For people that want the readme’s back there is a request filed here:
https://bugs.daz3d.com/view.php?id=47340, add a note please?

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Posted: 13 September 2012 05:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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It would be good if it was made available as one of the resource files on the product page.
A date printed on it with a note that newer versions may be available is all that’s necessary to keep people informed about how up to date it is.

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Posted: 13 September 2012 08:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Why not include a hyperlink in the readme the client downloads? This solves both issues.

This way the client has their readme, and the link goes to the updated online readme. What would be even more awesome if the online readme file has the version number of the prodcut so the client can know if he/she needs to update this file.

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Posted: 13 September 2012 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Timmoth - 13 September 2012 05:13 AM

It would be good if it was made available as one of the resource files on the product page.
A date printed on it with a note that newer versions may be available is all that’s necessary to keep people informed about how up to date it is.

I like this idea A LOT!!!

I too am looking for a readme that isn’t in the on line documentation.

I have been going back to the doc page and saving as PDF, but since I didn’t know the file list wasn’t included, I’ll have to go back and save those too… this is suppose to help me how????

I also agree about wanting a read me that matches the product I originally purchased.

Oh well…sounds pretty clear, this is a done deal and there isn’t going to be a compromise ... it’s the document page or nothing. What else is new.  8-/

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Posted: 13 September 2012 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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As a PA, I’m also requesting the reinstatement of the readme in the download. I have certain complex products (Room Creator, for example), in which user instructions are absolutely essential, and IMO, an online readme just isn’t good enough!. That much is obvious from the comments above.

I’ve included a readme in many products, and I dutifully made wiki pages for every product I had. Not that it did much good. They’ve all vanished now. The whole online system has too many user exceptions to the rule to force it upon us as the only system available.

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Posted: 13 September 2012 01:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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maclean - 13 September 2012 10:31 AM

As a PA, I’m also requesting the reinstatement of the readme in the download. I have certain complex products (Room Creator, for example), in which user instructions are absolutely essential, and IMO, an online readme just isn’t good enough!. That much is obvious from the comments above.

I’ve included a readme in many products, and I dutifully made wiki pages for every product I had. Not that it did much good. They’ve all vanished now. The whole online system has too many user exceptions to the rule to force it upon us as the only system available.

mac

Yet another reason why on-line only readmes are a bad idea—the number of times the documentation wiki has been redesigned/reworked and entries just plain dropped.

I submitted bug report 47340 about the readmes back in July - feel free to pile on with comments. Bug report here.

And I think I’ll wait out the PA sale, no point in adding to the PA problems - and then I’m going nuclear. I’ll be requesting a refund on every purchased item that does not include a readme in the download. I’ve hit my point of no return.

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