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Posted: 06 September 2012 10:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 06 September 2012 10:10 PM

..Ivy , that was nicely done.

I wish I could do animation but my old system just is unable to handle the render load.

Thank you, I think I may put a few more of my stories to animation.
I have a more few high school Kids that want to make the character voice…lol
Hannah was a student in the drama dept that was my first volunteer, she really poured it on thick. it was great,

I hate that for you about having a crappy system.- “Been there done that”

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Posted: 06 September 2012 10:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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...her voice worked so well.  It is so different and sometimes difficult doing a voice for animation instead of just getting up on the stage.


The good news, in abut a month I should have everything installed on the new workstation (performing a full clean install of everything as well as building custom runtimes).  12GB, 8 Processor threads, and a dedicated GPU with 288 CUDA cores (actually only important in Blender right now).  That should cure a few of the ills I’ve been dealing with.

Though I’m having second thoughts on the OS as I have been hearing lots of tales about WIn7 that almost make me want to get a copy of XPPro64 instead.

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Posted: 06 September 2012 10:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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Really?  That’s interesting.  I’ve had zero problems with Win7 either on this laptop (with DS4.5) or my main (currently with DS4/PP2012/P8).  And I’ve only got a 6-core. wink  But then, I never tried XP 64.


To address the original poster -


I’ve embraced Genesis with such enthusiasm because to me, it is in every way better than V4 and M4.  The only shortcoming I’ve seen with the figure itself is the shape of the default hands, which there are products to change.  As with those figures, some vendors support with better features than others at any given store.  As far as I’m concerned, the only reason not to use it is that you don’t want to use Studio (I don’t like Poser Pro comparatively, but I do use it, and I can see its appeal from some perspectives).  There is no master-of-none issue.  If I did prefer Poser that strongly, I would probably have directed my efforts toward producing some better Ryan products.  Every single weight-mapped figure with real clothing support so far is female (and by “real clothing support” I mean “mostly lingerie”).


Genesis offers a content creator tremendous freedom to play and invent with so much greater ease than the Gen 4’s that there is no comparison.  There are a couple of limitations with smoothing and collision that were not present with the Gen 4 meshes, such as their difficulties with discreet submeshes and true beveling on base meshes, but these can be circumnavigated.  They’re not dealbreakers for me.


I haven’t rendered much in 4.5 yet.  I’m still trying to figure out a way to cheat the installer and double it up with 4.0 on my main. :D

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Posted: 06 September 2012 11:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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I love Genesis but could never have touched it or DS4 on my laptop, even DS3 gave me huge amounts of grief from the word go but fortunately I found Carrara and soon after Poser7 which were useable.
until I got my desktop a year ago almost now, DS was just a plugin for Carrara.
I still only use it as such btw since Genesis is now working quite well in Carrara 8.5beta
a lot of studios limitations annoy me but it is free now so cannot knock it too much
I have a love/hate relaionship with studio
a lot happier with it since I can open most .duf scenes I save in Carrara where I realy want them inc dynamic cloth animations.
bypassing studio altogether and full Carrara compatibility for Genesis would still be my ideal.

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Posted: 06 September 2012 11:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

Really?  That’s interesting.  I’ve had zero problems with Win7 either on this laptop (with DS4.5) or my main (currently with DS4/PP2012/P8).  And I’ve only got a 6-core. wink  But then, I never tried XP 64.

...yeah, I only have two cores.

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

To address the original poster -


I’ve embraced Genesis with such enthusiasm because to me, it is in every way better than V4 and M4.  The only shortcoming I’ve seen with the figure itself is the shape of the default hands, which there are products to change.  As with those figures, some vendors support with better features than others at any given store.  As far as I’m concerned, the only reason not to use it is that you don’t want to use Studio (I don’t like Poser Pro comparatively, but I do use it, and I can see its appeal from some perspectives).  There is no master-of-none issue.  If I did prefer Poser that strongly, I would probably have directed my efforts toward producing some better Ryan products.  Every single weight-mapped figure with real clothing support so far is female (and by “real clothing support” I mean “mostly lingerie”).

...yes that is correct.  After what I have seen of 4,0 on my system I have little faith that 4.5 will be any better.  Furthermore, as I already have a huge investment in Gen4, Aiko3 and several toon figures, I’m not in the position to drop hundreds more to make Genesis as useful. 

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

Genesis offers a content creator tremendous freedom to play and invent with so much greater ease than the Gen 4’s that there is no comparison.  There are a couple of limitations with smoothing and collision that were not present with the Gen 4 meshes, such as their difficulties with discreet submeshes and true beveling on base meshes, but these can be circumnavigated.  They’re not dealbreakers for me.

...I am well aware of this and this is why I am letting my PC membership lapse when it expires.  For the very few “non-Genesis”  items that are released these days, it isn’t worth the 99$ anymore.

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

I haven’t rendered much in 4.5 yet.  I’m still trying to figure out a way to cheat the installer and double it up with 4.0 on my main. :D

...that cannot work unless you install each on separate HDDs or separate partitions. You can have 4.5, 3.1, 2.3 and 1.8 all installed but any update within an “X.0” release version will overwrite the previous one if it is on the same drive.

I have rendered in 4.0 and yes it is faster, but my system barely meets the minimum OGL requirement so even a simple scene makes the Viewport react like molasses in a Siberian winter when setting a scene up.

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Posted: 06 September 2012 11:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 06 September 2012 11:40 PM
SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

Really?  That’s interesting.  I’ve had zero problems with Win7 either on this laptop (with DS4.5) or my main (currently with DS4/PP2012/P8).  And I’ve only got a 6-core. wink  But then, I never tried XP 64.

...yeah, I only have two cores.


Win7 is slightly less of a system hog than Vista, but definitely a huge leap from XP.  There wasn’t the application support for XP 64 that there is for the two newer 64 bit OS’s, but if you’re confident of your rendering software I guess I could see that.  In Vista’s defense, my backup machine is an AMD quad core (which renders roughly as well as an Intel duo) and it handles Vista 64 just fine.  I keep Aero turned off just for efficiency (one doesn’t notice it after the first few days anyway).

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

To address the original poster -
I’ve embraced Genesis with such enthusiasm because to me, it is in every way better than V4 and M4.  The only shortcoming I’ve seen with the figure itself is the shape of the default hands, which there are products to change.  As with those figures, some vendors support with better features than others at any given store.  As far as I’m concerned, the only reason not to use it is that you don’t want to use Studio (I don’t like Poser Pro comparatively, but I do use it, and I can see its appeal from some perspectives).  There is no master-of-none issue.  If I did prefer Poser that strongly, I would probably have directed my efforts toward producing some better Ryan products.  Every single weight-mapped figure with real clothing support so far is female (and by “real clothing support” I mean “mostly lingerie”).

...yes that is correct.  After what I have seen of 4,0 on my system I have little faith that 4.5 will be any better.  Furthermore, as I already have a huge investment in Gen4, Aiko3 and several toon figures, I’m not in the position to drop hundreds more to make Genesis as useful.


I can sympathize, because I have two good friends who are in the same sort of position.  It’s why I do offer occasional Gen 4-compatible products still (almost never rigged conformers, though, because they’re so annoyingly difficult and time-consuming by comparison).

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

Genesis offers a content creator tremendous freedom to play and invent with so much greater ease than the Gen 4’s that there is no comparison.  There are a couple of limitations with smoothing and collision that were not present with the Gen 4 meshes, such as their difficulties with discreet submeshes and true beveling on base meshes, but these can be circumnavigated.  They’re not dealbreakers for me.

...I am well aware of this and this is why I am letting my PC membership lapse when it expires.  For the very few “non-Genesis”  items that are released these days, it isn’t worth the 99$ anymore.


No, probably not.

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

I haven’t rendered much in 4.5 yet.  I’m still trying to figure out a way to cheat the installer and double it up with 4.0 on my main. :D

...that cannot work unless you install each on separate HDDs or separate partitions. You can have 4.5, 3.1, 2.3 and 1.8 all installed but any update within an “X.0” release version will overwrite the previous one if it is on the same drive.

I have rendered in 4.0 and yes it is faster, but my system barely meets the minimum OGL requirement so even a simple scene makes the Viewport react like molasses in a Siberian winter when setting a scene up.


Worth a try.  I need another 2TB drive soon anyway.  Products in development generate huge intermediate Blender and GIMP files like you wouldn’t believe. wink

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Posted: 07 September 2012 12:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

Really?  That’s interesting.  I’ve had zero problems with Win7 either on this laptop (with DS4.5) or my main (currently with DS4/PP2012/P8).  And I’ve only got a 6-core. wink  But then, I never tried XP 64.

...yeah, I only have two cores.

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 11:57 PM

Win7 is slightly less of a system hog than Vista, but definitely a huge leap from XP.  There wasn’t the application support for XP 64 that there is for the two newer 64 bit OS’s, but if you’re confident of your rendering software I guess I could see that.  In Vista’s defense, my backup machine is an AMD quad core (which renders roughly as well as an Intel duo) and it handles Vista 64 just fine.  I keep Aero turned off just for efficiency (one doesn’t notice it after the first few days anyway).

...but I am still working in XP32.

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Posted: 07 September 2012 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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I was a Poser user from 1997 to 2011, and I think Genesis is the best thing since sliced bread.
Even more so, now that figures which were traditionally non-Daz stand-alones are being added to the mix.

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Posted: 07 September 2012 10:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

Really?  That’s interesting.  I’ve had zero problems with Win7 either on this laptop (with DS4.5) or my main (currently with DS4/PP2012/P8).  And I’ve only got a 6-core. wink  But then, I never tried XP 64.

...yeah, I only have two cores.

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 11:57 PM

Win7 is slightly less of a system hog than Vista, but definitely a huge leap from XP.  There wasn’t the application support for XP 64 that there is for the two newer 64 bit OS’s, but if you’re confident of your rendering software I guess I could see that.  In Vista’s defense, my backup machine is an AMD quad core (which renders roughly as well as an Intel duo) and it handles Vista 64 just fine.  I keep Aero turned off just for efficiency (one doesn’t notice it after the first few days anyway).

...but I am still working in XP32.

I know, but earlier you said you were thinking about XP64 vs. Win7 64 (“But I am thinking about getting XPPro64 instead”), so I was trying to be helpful in comparing the different options available in terms of system load.

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Posted: 07 September 2012 11:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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vrba79 - 07 September 2012 06:13 PM

I was a Poser user from 1997 to 2011, and I think Genesis is the best thing since sliced bread.
Even more so, now that figures which were traditionally non-Daz stand-alones are being added to the mix.

...I was the same with regards to Daz Studio for the last four years until I installed and started working with PP2010 a few months ago.

...yup, sometimes the grass actually is greener on the opposite side.

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Posted: 07 September 2012 11:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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SickleYield - 06 September 2012 10:41 PM

Really?  That’s interesting.  I’ve had zero problems with Win7 either on this laptop (with DS4.5) or my main (currently with DS4/PP2012/P8).  And I’ve only got a 6-core. wink  But then, I never tried XP 64.

...yeah, I only have two cores.

SickleYield - 06 September 2012 11:57 PM

Win7 is slightly less of a system hog than Vista, but definitely a huge leap from XP.  There wasn’t the application support for XP 64 that there is for the two newer 64 bit OS’s, but if you’re confident of your rendering software I guess I could see that.  In Vista’s defense, my backup machine is an AMD quad core (which renders roughly as well as an Intel duo) and it handles Vista 64 just fine.  I keep Aero turned off just for efficiency (one doesn’t notice it after the first few days anyway).

...but I am still working in XP32.

I know, but earlier you said you were thinking about XP64 vs. Win7 64 (“But I am thinking about getting XPPro64 instead”), so I was trying to be helpful in comparing the different options available in terms of system load.

...with XP I don’t have to deal with all this administrator set up mumbo jumbo.  On my current system I run it with no user login setup as I am the only one on my machine and it works just fine. XP was (is) a fine OS, for many, Vista was a total bust. The workstation build is strictly CG related, no productivity/office software, no permanent Net access/connection, no networking, and no gaming. I want as little in the way of extraneous processes/software on it to divert resources from it’s primary purpose.

If I wanted to get all “geeky” about it again, I’d move to Linux.

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