Painting and blending male genital maps - Is there a tutorial out there?

RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 5,261
edited September 2012 in The Commons

Hi,

Hope I'm not being overly adult by asking a blunt question about painting and blending in maps to the new M5 genitals. I'm working primarily with Genesis now, loaded up the M5 gens and they conform very nicely to my Bruno shape but the V4 body UV's and M5 Genital UV's are not exactly matching up. Even loading up other folks genital maps that they created for M5 is not matching the Bruno Textures. Part of the issue is that the Bruno maps are only 3000 X 3000, skin tone is more of a tanned one. Not very many packs out there at this point. I guess the whole idea of blending out the genitals with transmaps is a thing of the past with the implementation of Geo Grafting so when I made the "Hip" invisible on the genital figure that entire area turned off. OK so back to square one. Tried importing the UV's into the Bruno Torso PSD file and had a go with blending things out like that, brought it back to it's native file and exported. YUK...

So all I can think of is exporting the Genesis figure WITH the genitals and importing the whole thing into a 3D paint program, which I really don't have one I like so it's like pulling teeth to get me to do that. Not sure what to do at this point. I don't want to hand it off to someone else to do either. I want to learn this or Bruno will be released once again with no genital maps. The M4 figure just doesn't conform nicely enough and every attempt at making transmaps that help blend out the seams fails in my eyes. So it's gotta be Genesis with the M5 genitals or no go. Why does artistic creativity have to be such a pain in the ass? :coolmad:

PS: The original Bruno can be found on this page: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/6841/

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  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,738
    edited September 2012

    Use the remapped gens -- there's an alternative UV map for Genesis male toast that accepts both V4 and M4. I think I've posted the link couple of times.

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  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 1,958
    edited December 1969

    RAMWolff said:
    Hi,

    So all I can think of is exporting the Genesis figure WITH the genitals and importing the whole thing into a 3D paint program

    If you're working with the M5 gens, this (in particular projection painting) is the way to go. With the geografting it's going to be more difficult to match things up in photoshop, and exporting with the gens allows you to use any uv with the gens. You will probably end up with two torso textures, so you'll have one for use with the gens and one without.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 5,261
    edited December 1969

    Ah, thanks for stopping in M3dia... I know you have worked with all this. What program do you favor???

    Thanks Skiriki. I think I have that around here somewhere but will hold off before giving in! lol I don't think everyone is going to have that little goodie and it may not be available forever so then there will be some left out.

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,738
    edited December 1969

    It is not perfect, either. But it was "good enough" for some purposes... so by all means, yes, totally do it the right way. :)

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,574
    edited September 2012

    Ignore.. Just realized I found the remapped version.

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  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,924
    edited December 1969

    I got the remapped version but havent tried it yet. Utill then, I worked out how to warp the textures on Photo shop. The torso section is the hardest to do, specially on hairyness LOL

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,738
    edited December 1969

    FYI, the remap does torso-hip section OK. It is the "torso connects to the toast" section that has some problems.

  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,924
    edited December 1969

    Thats the easy part to warp in photoshop lol...... "The toast" HAHAHA! I like your discriptive alternative

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,738
    edited December 1969

    Thats the easy part to warp in photoshop lol...... "The toast" HAHAHA! I like your discriptive alternative

    Oh that's not mine, apparently people use it here a lot. (Maybe because much like a slice of toast, it pops up?)

    I tend to say things like "one-eyed purple trouser-snake", "Mr. Willy Wiggles" "Sir John Thomas", "Mighty Wyrm of Midgard", "you-know-what", "Vulnerables"...

    However, "toast" sure gives a new meaning to buttering. Although I think that orange marmalade is way too kinky.

  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,924
    edited September 2012

    skiriki, you sound like you've given this some thought :snake:

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  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,738
    edited December 1969

    skiriki, you sound like you've given this some thought :snake:

    I got 37 years under my belt, and a mind filthier than a sewer.

    In any case, I'm thinking about possibility to remapping The Tall and Proud Thingee, so it is slightly closer to original connection point... sadly, my first attempt was kinda major fail.

  • jepegraphicsjepegraphics Posts: 294
    edited December 1969

    I think the M4 Genitals are still good enough to be used on Genesis. They fit very nicely on Genesis with the Smoothing/Collision Modifyer applied. If you compare both Genital figures, they are not that different, in the contrary - due to the fact that M5 Genitals are geografted they are not only limited texture wise, they are also limted with shaping and scaling.
    For serious texturing nowadays it is necessary to have a program that is able to paint across seams, there are several out there, as far as I know. You simply have to learn how to use them.
    And btw. artistic creativity is 99% knowing your tools and 1% talent to use it in an original way.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 1,958
    edited September 2012

    Jepe said:
    they are also limted with shaping and scaling.

    They have the same initial limitations as the M4 gens, but you can fix both with ERC freezing and morphs. Since it uses Genesis tech, it's much easier to add new morphs and shapes than to them.

    I've added gens morphs in our Tyrese, Braxton and Corbin products for example and it didn't require updating the gens figure.

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  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,924
    edited December 1969

    Jepe said:
    they are also limted with shaping and scaling.

    They have the same initial limitations as the M4 gens, but you can fix both with ERC freezing and morphs. Since it uses Genesis tech, it's much easier to add new morphs and shapes than to them.

    Not to mention it's actually part of the figures anatomy... No more oppacity maps to blend it to the figure. I dont use them oftern, but when I do I like it to actually be part of the figure, in my opinion that makes it more realistic.

  • jepegraphicsjepegraphics Posts: 294
    edited December 1969

    I'm sorry, Terry, I can't agree with you. It is not possible to scale the M5 genitals to let's say 120% in whole without having additional correcting morphs for the distortions. That is not necessary with the M4 Gens. Beside the fact that no one except you did any morphs for the M5 Genitals yet, it is limited not only in the ways I said, it also is not available for all the Poser users. And the fact that the M5 Gens are not in any way better than the M4 Gens, the new UV Mapping has NO benefits, there's absolutely nothing new in functionality beside that geografting, it doesn't have a higher density for better morphing and I also didn't have to update the M4 Genitals for any new morphs I now have made btw.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 1,958
    edited September 2012

    Jepe said:
    I'm sorry, Terry, I can't agree with you. It is not possible to scale the M5 genitals to let's say 120% in whole without having additional correcting morphs for the distortions.

    Still not hard to accomplish with ERC... was a 5 min fix.

    That is not necessary with the M4 Gens.

    That's because they're doing things since the gens is grafted. Being a separate figure, you can scale them fairly easy, it's just the manual positioning you had to do was the pain. And for every M4 body morph I had to provide an adjustment pose to properly position it on the body. An adjustment morph done once is easy peasy in comparison.


    Beside the fact that no one except you did any morphs for the M5 Genitals yet, it is limited not only in the ways I said, it also is not available for all the Poser users

    There's a product on sale on Renderotica... and to be honest, if it wasn't for Channing, the M4 gens products would have never been made. Only takes one person to look at something to fix because he took it upon himself to do a product when no one else did. Also let's not get into the Poser debate, cause this thread is not about it.


    . And the fact that the M5 Gens are not in any way better than the M4 Gens, the new UV Mapping has NO benefits, there's absolutely nothing new in functionality beside that geografting, it doesn't have a higher density for better morphing and I also didn't have to update the M4 Genitals for any new morphs I now have made btw.

    Well that's the thing about geografting, I've put the scaled gens on Mr Hyde and Tauran without manually adjusting, add in new morphs (zbrush works pretty well) and there was no need to update either or provide INJ/REM files.

    I think you need to really look at the the gens, because they are really a lot more flexible than you realize.

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  • fivecatfivecat Posts: 0
    edited September 2012

    I think you need to really look at the the gens, because they are really a lot more flexible than you realize.


    :cheese:

    To be serious, I haven't tried to texture either version. Ram, don't you have zBrush?

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  • carrie58carrie58 Posts: 913
    edited December 1969

    Skiriki said:
    Use the remapped gens -- there's an alternative UV map for Genesis male toast that accepts both V4 and M4. I think I've posted the link couple of times.

    Sooo any chance you could post the link to the remap again .......I can't find it ........and while I don't use the male jewels that often ,it would be nice to know I could use the Gen4 jewels,since I didn't get the Gen5 jewels .......

  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,924
    edited December 1969

    carrie58 said:
    Skiriki said:
    Use the remapped gens -- there's an alternative UV map for Genesis male toast that accepts both V4 and M4. I think I've posted the link couple of times.

    Sooo any chance you could post the link to the remap again .......I can't find it ........and while I don't use the male jewels that often ,it would be nice to know I could use the Gen4 jewels,since I didn't get the Gen5 jewels .......

    https://sites.google.com/site/crblackthorne/downloads

    You must have M5 Gens to unlock the file. But it's a freebie ;-P

  • jepegraphicsjepegraphics Posts: 294
    edited December 1969


    I think you need to really look at the the gens, because they are really a lot more flexible than you realize.

    I don't think I don't need to do that, I already looked close enough. lol But beside all that morphing and scaling thing that seems so easy for you, because you know how to, but how is it for others. And that all can't compensate that the gens texture is limited to the body texture only and texturing that area without visible seams is impossible when you don't have a seam-crossing application. And that was the problem Richard fight with. I think it's simply not worth it.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,574
    edited September 2012

    All I'm saying is that with Poison's M5 Gens Morphs & Controls, M5 gens is way better than M4 Gens. It can do anything and any part can scale to any size. Also Poison's Genesis Male Gens for Genesis is Better than M4 Gens and it takes M4 uv's. Just my opinion. I have all three and for Genesis, and M4 gens is last on my list.

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  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 1,958
    edited December 1969

    Jepe said:
    But beside all that morphing and scaling thing that seems so easy for you, because you know how to, but how is it for others.

    No, because I took the time to learn it, and it wasn't really that difficult... just a morphing tool and some, err, "references" ;) Working with genesis is a shift learning, and learning how to manipulate the base cage. But once you do learn, it because really easy to morph it and load it back.


    And that all can't compensate that the gens texture is limited to the body texture only and texturing that area without visible seams is impossible when you don't have a seam-crossing application. And that was the problem Richard fight with. I think it's simply not worth it.

    Considering that our products are projection painted, it's not much of a jump to paint gens... and that skill extends to other types of geografted parts as well. But yeah, you'll need to learn one of the programs like zbrush or bodypaint.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,574
    edited September 2012

    Guys I am working on a transparency map for m5 gens that eliminate the seams on the hip assigned area. So far so good. So basically the gens will "blur" into the body. No more hard edges. Even if the textures are different from body ( eg m4) to gens (M5), just choose the right diffuse colour till they match and they blend perfectly. Also discovered you can just turn the opacity of the hip material to zero. Which means hard seams yes, but they are closer to the actual gens instead of so high up on the hip and are easier to cover up.

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 5,261
    edited December 1969

    fivecat said:

    I think you need to really look at the the gens, because they are really a lot more flexible than you realize.


    :cheese:

    To be serious, I haven't tried to texture either version. Ram, don't you have zBrush?

    I do but I've only used it for morphs so far. LOVE it for creating morphs, got folders of them but textures.... Not sure if they have the multi map thing fixed yet ... nor how to import multi figures into it to even attempt it. What I would need to do is import in Genesis with the V4 mapped UV's on it (which might be one more huddle) and then the M5 genitals and then get it all blended out and export. I think this is why I have avoided getting really heavy into textures since there are so many steps to try to remember, esp working with a 3D paint program. Kinda overwhelms my mind. My way of thinking is "Import and paint and export" but it's never that easy.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 5,261
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    Guys I am working on a transparency map for m5 gens that eliminate the seams on the hip assigned area. So far so good. So basically the gens will "blur" into the body. No more hard edges. Even if the textures are different from body ( eg m4) to gens (M5), just choose the right diffuse colour till they match and they blend perfectly. Also discovered you can just turn the opacity of the hip material to zero. Which means hard seams yes, but they are closer to the actual gens instead of so high up on the hip and are easier to cover up.

    Do you have my Bruno texture? If so can you test your new figure out using that? I'd love to see the results. You can contact me @

    RAMArts44 at gmail dot com

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,574
    edited December 1969

    Cool I will mail you now.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 5,261
    edited December 1969

    After some back and forths between DAZ Studio and Photoshop I'm getting this to a point where it will be more than passable and good enough to share. I'm using the remapped M5 genitals. Seems that switching out the Genital Hip map with the characters Torso Map after setting the genitals to V4 UV's clears up a good bit of the mapping issue. Been working getting the main genital map to now blend in with this hip map. Working out pretty well. Too bad this place maintains it's stodgy attitude towards nudity or I could show some little screen shots.

    Zev0 is working away on his project for the genitals too, looking forward to testing that out.

    Need to locate the link to the remapped version though....

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 1,456
    edited September 2012

    RAMWolff said:
    Too bad this place maintains it's stodgy attitude towards nudity or I could show some little screen shots.

    If you've got a DeviantArt or Flickr account, you could put them there and post links. It seems you're allowed to post links to more mature images as long as the site on which the image is hosted requires an account for the person to be able to view more adult images. (At least, that's what Richard Haseltine keeps saying when the issue comes up in other threads. The TOS itself may or may not be silent on the subject; the only statement I can find talks about linking to pornsites, which isn't what this would be. It would be nice if, assuming this is actually the policy, the TOS explicitly said that linking to personal accounts with artistical or product-related nude imagery, under those specific circumstances, is allowed.)

    Zev0 is working away on his project for the genitals too, looking forward to testing that out.

    Need to locate the link to the remapped version though....

    Up in Marcusfinnigon's post....

    A question, and I hope it's not too odd, but if one of the problems with Bruno's textures is that he's 3000x3000 when a lot of other textures are 4000x4000 or 4096x4096, would it be possible to redo his textures at that resolution? I have no real idea what's involved in doing a texture; is that a huge amount more work, on top of the already huge amount of work you're doing? (Seriously, that's an incredible amount of work for a freebie!)

    Bruno might actually get me to upgrade to 4.5!

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 5,261
    edited December 1969

    No, sorry. The files are at that size and if I up the pixels it will not look very good. If you look at my freebie page There are some pics of the facial hair renders I did when I updated all the faces with new brows, lips, facial hair and created proper bump maps. I really don't know anyone that really NEEDS 4000 X 4000 and Bruno was never meant to be ultra realistic. He was created for digital comic book work. He's my hottie Italian Stallion that can be a hero too. :P

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,574
    edited December 1969

    RAMWolff said:
    No, sorry. The files are at that size and if I up the pixels it will not look very good. If you look at my freebie page There are some pics of the facial hair renders I did when I updated all the faces with new brows, lips, facial hair and created proper bump maps. I really don't know anyone that really NEEDS 4000 X 4000 and Bruno was never meant to be ultra realistic. He was created for digital comic book work. He's my hottie Italian Stallion that can be a hero too. :P

    I can blow these up for you. I have Blowup2 plugin for photoshop. You can blow images up over 5 times its original size and still maintain good quality.

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