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Posted: 26 August 2012 08:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Being from the States, I’m not totally sure what parts you’re able to get for what price overseas; but, I did a quick currency conversion and 499 pounds is approximately 788 USD.  For a lot less than that I built this box
AMD FX8150 on an Asus M5A97 mobo - $284
16gb DDR3-2000 RAM - 78
Onboard audio & LAN
RADEON HD7770 Vid Card(1gig version) - 129
2tb seagate barracuda for storage(had SSD already) - 105
CoolerMaster HAF912 Mid-tower case - 65
Diablotek 600W PSU - 30
Antec Kuhler Box Heatsink - 49

It’s a monster for rendering compared to my 2 yr old AMD Phenom 9800 based box and can hit 400k s/s in LuxRender. Which produces a 1980x1020 - 3000 pass render in like less than 4 hours.  For rendering in 3Delight; I guess you could chop some cost off using a less expensive vid card.

All in all, it would depend on what the OP is looking for out of a computer.  There are, also, several subsequent questions to be asked.  Do you just render the occasional hobbyist render?  Are you looking to eventually go the Reality/LuxRender route?  How high of quality are you looking to get out of your renders?  Are you looking into content creation or just art?  Is time spent rendering an issue or can you let them just chug along?  When not using D|S what are you using your computer for?  Gaming at all?

FWIW, an old maxim I was taught many years ago still holds true.  There is not such thing as too much memory.  No such thing as too much hdd space.  No such thing as too fast of a processor.  I’d spend the extra bucks for the SandyBridge, slap in double the ram and trash the onboard video and get at least something in the radeon hd7000 generation.

If something like my build is affordable and you CAN’T put it together yourself, you can easily take the box full of parts to your local computer shop and pay them an hour of labor to put it all together for you and still come out with enough cash for dinner.

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Posted: 31 August 2012 02:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I have asked the local company we used to fix the family pc, and they have come back with a quote based on the basic specs i gave them. It’s more expensive than the store-bought pc’s but would cost a bit less than a similar spec from pcspecialist.

ATX Tower Case - I prefer the look of the CATAR-63011-TH

Intel 1155 Motherboard

Intel 1155 Core i5 Processor - Sandybridge

8gb DDR3 Memory

DVD-RW

2gb VGA Graphics DVI/HDMI/VGA - either NVidia GT640 or M640 range

1TB Sata 3.5” Hard Drive

Windows 7 HP 64BIT
Ethernet and WiFi enabled.


Is there anything else I should check with them? I have already ruled out the i7 processor, because it’s way too out of my price range at the moment.

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Posted: 31 August 2012 03:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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we7simpsons - 26 August 2012 08:32 AM

Being from the States, I’m not totally sure what parts you’re able to get for what price overseas; but, I did a quick currency conversion and 499 pounds is approximately 788 USD.  For a lot less than that I built this box

I haven’t done a price comparison on individual parts, but you need to factor in VAT (sales tax) at 20%, so your effective budget would be less.

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Posted: 31 August 2012 06:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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mishwish - 31 August 2012 02:01 AM

I have asked the local company we used to fix the family pc, and they have come back with a quote based on the basic specs i gave them. It’s more expensive than the store-bought pc’s but would cost a bit less than a similar spec from pcspecialist.

ATX Tower Case - I prefer the look of the CATAR-63011-TH

Intel 1155 Motherboard

Intel 1155 Core i5 Processor - Sandybridge

8gb DDR3 Memory

DVD-RW

2gb VGA Graphics DVI/HDMI/VGA - either NVidia GT640 or M640 range

1TB Sata 3.5” Hard Drive

Windows 7 HP 64BIT
Ethernet and WiFi enabled.


Is there anything else I should check with them? I have already ruled out the i7 processor, because it’s way too out of my price range at the moment.

Don’t be fobbed off with a 640, price wise there’s barely a different to the previous gen 550 (about a tenner) and are heck of a lot less powerful (comparison of 550 to 640). Check on what power supply they intend to slot in the machine as well as you can get some really nasty PSU’s not a lot of cash, you’ll want branded such as Coolermaster, OCZ or Antec, Corsair simply don’t do cheap (read value) PSU’s. I’ve used OCZ (in my newly upgraded 3930K skt 2011 machine) and Antec (in my HTPC) and don’t hesitate in recommending them.

Just curious how much that totalled up to? I spec’d up a PC to see how close I could get to £550 -
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1             £79.76
Seagate 500GB 3.5” SATA-III 6Gb/s Barracuda           £50.00
Gigabyte GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5                         £87.99
Samsung SH-222BB 22x DVD±RW                       £12.99
Asus P8H77-M LE H77                                     £69.30
Intel Core i5 3450 3.1GHz Socket 1155 (Ivybridge)      £146.99 (if you’re not going to bother to overclock, retail includes HSF)
Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz                   £30.77
Coolermaster Elite 334U Case                           £32.20
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500W Modular PSU               £49.98 (lower powered version of what I use)
Total £559.98 (includes VAT and Delivery, all from ebuyer)

I’ve found when spending this kind of cash ebuyer have sent it next day, at £50 the hard drive is about a fiver more expensive on average. The GPU chosen above may only have 1GB of RAM but it’s faster, the 640 you’ve been spec’d will only have GDDR3, this speed difference between the GPU and the RAM will make a bigger difference than the extra 1GB of GDDR3. May only have a 500GB drive but adding to this is easy.

As for warranty? There’s longer warranties on just about everything (except the hard drive) than your average shop bought PC (which is normally a year without having to cough up extra) as the RAM and CPU have life time warranties and the rest will bounce between two and three years.

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Posted: 01 September 2012 04:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Don’t be fobbed off with a 640, price wise there’s barely a different to the previous gen 550 (about a tenner) and are heck of a lot less powerful (comparison of 550 to 640). Check on what power supply they intend to slot in the machine as well as you can get some really nasty PSU’s not a lot of cash, you’ll want branded such as Coolermaster, OCZ or Antec, Corsair simply don’t do cheap (read value) PSU’s. I’ve used OCZ (in my newly upgraded 3930K skt 2011 machine) and Antec (in my HTPC) and don’t hesitate in recommending them.

Just curious how much that totalled up to? I spec’d up a PC to see how close I could get to £550 -
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1             £79.76
Seagate 500GB 3.5” SATA-III 6Gb/s Barracuda           £50.00
Gigabyte GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5                         £87.99
Samsung SH-222BB 22x DVD±RW                       £12.99
Asus P8H77-M LE H77                                     £69.30
Intel Core i5 3450 3.1GHz Socket 1155 (Ivybridge)      £146.99 (if you’re not going to bother to overclock, retail includes HSF)
Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz                   £30.77
Coolermaster Elite 334U Case                           £32.20
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500W Modular PSU               £49.98 (lower powered version of what I use)
Total £559.98 (includes VAT and Delivery, all from ebuyer)

I’ve found when spending this kind of cash ebuyer have sent it next day, at £50 the hard drive is about a fiver more expensive on average. The GPU chosen above may only have 1GB of RAM but it’s faster, the 640 you’ve been spec’d will only have GDDR3, this speed difference between the GPU and the RAM will make a bigger difference than the extra 1GB of GDDR3. May only have a 500GB drive but adding to this is easy.

As for warranty? There’s longer warranties on just about everything (except the hard drive) than your average shop bought PC (which is normally a year without having to cough up extra) as the RAM and CPU have life time warranties and the rest will bounce between two and three years.

Thank you, but having had a problem in the past with a laptop I would like to get it from somewhere that at least has a store local to where I live so I can return it if necessary (we live in quite a rural area).  The quote came back at around £650, including their labour costs. I will ask them about the GTX-550 because there’s not much price difference. I’ll ask about the power supply as well.

I don’t have all that much technical knowledge regarding computers, but for the price am I better going for the lenovo rather than this custom-pc I got the quote for, and upgrading the graphics card in that?

 

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Posted: 01 September 2012 05:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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In all fairness I live in a reasonably rural locale myself in County Durham but I’ve never had any real issues with buying parts (or returning them). My first custom built PC was pretty much a case of buying the parts and took them to a local PC shop who built it (and installed the OS) for a small fee (for me it was £20).

The only problem I’ve come across in the past with pre-built systems is that by all means go for one as they can prove good value for money but in my experience you have to keep an eye on the PSU of such machines as they generally are only good enough to power the spec that they came with (Acer and Dell are particularly guilty of this sort of thing in my experience, not sure about Lenovo though but I wouldn’t put money on them not doing the same thing).

Thinking about it you might actually be better off spending a bit extra and going for the custom build because if Lenovo do only put PSU’s in that are just good enough for the spec then you’d probably end off spending roughly the same due to fact you’d have to spend money on the GPU and a new PSU anyway. Just make sure they don’t use generic/no name brands.

So try and get them to use anything from Corsair, Kingston, Patriot, Crucial, Mushkin or G-Skill for the RAM, all of which do value brands for not a lot, OCZ, Coolermaster, Antec, Corsair, Bequiet or Seasonic for the PSU and try avoiding any hard drive from the Hitachi Deskstar range, cheap? yes but they still attract the nickname of Deathstar because they have nasty tendency to blow up unexpectedly (I’ve seen two go belly up in computers that had been less than six months old in a school).

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Posted: 02 September 2012 06:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Alpha Channel - 01 September 2012 05:07 AM

Thinking about it you might actually be better off spending a bit extra and going for the custom build because if Lenovo do only put PSU’s in that are just good enough for the spec then you’d probably end off spending roughly the same due to fact you’d have to spend money on the GPU and a new PSU anyway. Just make sure they don’t use generic/no name brands.

So try and get them to use anything from Corsair, Kingston, Patriot, Crucial, Mushkin or G-Skill for the RAM, all of which do value brands for not a lot, OCZ, Coolermaster, Antec, Corsair, Bequiet or Seasonic for the PSU and try avoiding any hard drive from the Hitachi Deskstar range, cheap? yes but they still attract the nickname of Deathstar because they have nasty tendency to blow up unexpectedly (I’ve seen two go belly up in computers that had been less than six months old in a school).

Okay, thanks for the advice. I’ll email them and query these things and ask for a revised quote. I think they will come back with a higher price, but the site I was going to buy my pc from originally doesn’t do the kind of pc I obviously need.

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Posted: 02 September 2012 11:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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They really shouldn’t as there’s virtually no difference in price on some things (such as the RAM from generic stuff to value branded such as Corsair’s value range) and you can get some decent value hard drives from the likes of Samsung (recently bought out by Seagate) with the 1TB Spinpoint F3 being only a couple of quid more expensive, £59.99 to the Hitachi’s £57.99 (sometimes less depending on where they source the drives from) but far superior in reliability.

The only place where they might try and jack up the price is in regards to the PSU, the low quality ones generally cost around between £12 and £22 and purport to offer between 400 to 700W and actually offer nowhere near that. The one mantra is - Do you want a £22 PSU with dubious origins powering £600 worth of hardware? bearing in mind if it goes bang while the PC is on it could take out virtually the entire PC (though if it does go I suppose they’ll have to honour the warranty, after trying to squirm their way out of it no doubt). If they do try it on I’d cut back on the hard drive to 500GB (and unless you’re storing films on there) it’s surprising how long it takes to fill to reduce costs (albeit only by about a tenner though) and adding more (when you can afford it) is one of the simpler upgrades (outside of adding more RAM).

I’m interested in what they come back with.

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Posted: 04 September 2012 04:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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I have sent off an email to the company with the suggestions from the thread, so I will wait and see what they some back with.
Thanks for all the help so far, everyone, i do appreciate it smile

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Posted: 04 September 2012 04:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Alpha Channel - 01 September 2012 05:07 AM

In all fairness I live in a reasonably rural locale myself in County Durham

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Posted: 04 September 2012 02:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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At first glance, I’d recommend the ASUS with the i7 processor (faster core speed and a bigger cache), but ONLY if you’re planning on increasing its RAM—4 GB is NOT enough.

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Posted: 05 September 2012 05:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Sarsifus - 04 September 2012 02:08 PM

At first glance, I’d recommend the ASUS with the i7 processor (faster core speed and a bigger cache), but ONLY if you’re planning on increasing its RAM—4 GB is NOT enough.

Thanks, but I’ve decided to go with the custom pc now smile

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Posted: 05 September 2012 05:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Alpha Channel - 02 September 2012 11:41 AM

I’m interested in what they come back with.

Well, this is what they’ve said:

Graphic Card. If you require the specific NVidia GTX550, then the price will remain the same.
As for the other components,  we ONLY use new, branded parts ie, Intel or AMD Processors,  Kingston/Team/Crucial RAM,  Samsung, Hitachi, Seagate, WD Hard Drives etc. 
The PSU would be either an Alpine or Storm with a minimum 600W with enough connectors to power all the devices accordingly but if you require a specific Make/Model, then I can provide a revised estimate if you wish to provide the exact model you require J

In regard to the PSU, especially, is there any reasonably priced one that’s recommended?

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Posted: 05 September 2012 09:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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The only thing that I can see wrong with that reply it the type of PSU they are using both those makes have less than stellar reputations with people reporting them going belly up as soon as their systems begin to come under load (and only cost £15-£20). A decent alternative would be the Coolermaster Elite Power 500W at £32 or the OCZ 500W CoreXStream at £35. True that might push their price up a bit but these PSU’s will deliver the wattage that they’re advertising and 500W PSU should be more than man enough for the system you’re looking at.

Heck I’m running a six core socket 2011 3930K (with a Zalmann 9900 HSF), 16GB RAM, a factory overclocked 7870PCS+ GPU, a Cretaive Titianium soundcard, a 256GB SSD (Sandisk Extreme), one 1TB and two 320GB HDD’s (Seagate’s), a DVD drive & four fans all off a 700W OCZ ModXstream PSU (plus keyboard and mouse, keeping in mind that these also draw power) without much of a hitch.

DWG - lad and only six miles or so away in Crook (just moved in a couple of months back from Willington, lost a great view but gained 32Mb net access, not sure which I prefer smile ).

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Posted: 06 September 2012 06:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Alpha Channel - 05 September 2012 09:06 AM

The only thing that I can see wrong with that reply it the type of PSU they are using both those makes have less than stellar reputations with people reporting them going belly up as soon as their systems begin to come under load (and only cost £15-£20). A decent alternative would be the Coolermaster Elite Power 500W at £32 or the OCZ 500W CoreXStream at £35. True that might push their price up a bit but these PSU’s will deliver the wattage that they’re advertising and 500W PSU should be more than man enough for the system you’re looking at.

Thanks, I’ve asked them about that now.

Alpha Channel - 05 September 2012 09:06 AM

...lost a great view but gained 32Mb net access, not sure which I prefer smile ).

Lucky you, we get 1.4 mb.

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