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which of these pcs would be better for use with Daz?
Posted: 22 August 2012 06:38 AM   [ Ignore ]
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My old processor (AMD phenom 9550) is fried, and since I only have 32-bit windows and 4gb memory I was thinking it might be more prudent to get a new system. I cannot affor the top spec processors, and since I don’t know anyone who could make up a computer for me now I will have to go with the limited options provided by a store that we have locally (so I can take it back if there’s any problems).

So, do I go for:
Lenovo 4430-31 desktop pc - £499.99
Processor: Intel Core i5 2320 (3 GHz, 6 MB cache memory)
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
RAM: 8 GB, DDR3, 1333 MHz
Graphics Card: Intel HD Graphics
Hard drive: 1 TB, 7200rpm, SATA2

USB ports: 6
Optical disk drive: DVD RW
Memory card reader: Yes
Modem/ Ethernet: 10/100/1000 GB ethernet
WiFi: 802.11 BGN
Keyboard and Mouse: Wireless
Size: 430x175x368 (LxWxH)

ASUS Essentio CM6730-UK007O desktop pc - £549.99
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600 (3.4 GHz, 8 MB L3 cache)
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
RAM: 4 GB
Graphics Card: Intel GMA
Hard drive: 1 TB

USB Ports: 8
Optical disk drive: DVD RW
Memory card reader: 6 in 1
Modem/ Ethernet: 10/100/1000
WiFi: -
Keyboard and Mouse: Wired
Size: 560x250x525mm (WxHxD)

I know the processor is likely to be better in the ASUS, but it has less RAM. So, can anyone make any comments about which would be better? because of the extra RAM (and the price) I’m thinking of the first one, but I thought I’d have a second option on hand too.
Thanks for any posts.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 06:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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As you are quoting prices in £, so are in the UK, I would reccomend this company to design your own ideal PC

http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/


The machine I am currently using I had built 6 years ago, and it is still going strong with no problems, apart from the fact it is now sadly in need of replacing as it is underpowered for todays apps. It has worked very hard and is still the most solid build I have ever had. (I think I have only once bought off the shelf) since I started using PCs with windows.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 07:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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RAM issues can prevent your processor ever delivering its full capability, and 4GB is on the low side, but it’s also cheaper to upgrade RAM than a CPU, so you might want to consider what you can afford now and what you might update later. I personally wouldn’t pay the extra for an i7 without also paying for 8GB RAM.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 09:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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chohole - 22 August 2012 06:48 AM

As you are quoting prices in £, so are in the UK, I would reccomend this company to design your own ideal PC

http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/


The machine I am currently using I had built 6 years ago, and it is still going strong with no problems, apart from the fact it is now sadly in need of replacing as it is underpowered for todays apps. It has worked very hard and is still the most solid build I have ever had. (I think I have only once bought off the shelf) since I started using PCs with windows.

I pretty much agree…  I got my current PC from pcspecialist last year - best value for money and the off-the-shelf builds are usually very reliable and can be delivered next day - or wait a month and get custom build to your precise spec (there are other websites that look cheaper, but customer reports suggest they’re way more unreliable)

If you can afford an i7-2600K processor, it kicks butt (if it’s too pricey, it’s vital to get as good a processor as possible or you’ll have lots of time to make cups of tea while waiting on PC to keep up, hehehe).
Probably standard on new machines these days, but 64bit operating system is pretty much essential for heavy usage (you work on a big scene in 32bit and you’re asking for regular crashes)
I wouldn’t go below 6GB RAM, but would ideally recommend 8GB minimum, anything less will impact on load speeds & render times (and also great if you do any gaming too)
Graphic card is not as important for DAZ than it is for gaming (and can be upgraded way easier than anything else) - something like a GTX570 is great for gaming and superb for DAZ, but this would only be a final “perk” if there’s still money left over after setting the other items first.

Oh, and it might also be worth looking at a gamer case like the “Cooler Master”... all those fans keep things nice and ventilated when doing lengthy renders.

* edit * - but if it’s got to be one of the two mentioned in the post, as DWG said, the second one but upgrade to 8GB RAM.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 12:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Thank you for the replies. I have taken a quick look at PCspecialist, and if I have more money I would probably buy something from them, but I’m having to borrow some and repay it as things stand at the moment.
Judging from what you’ve said it sounds like the better option of the two is the i7 processor, and upgrade the RAM; I’ll probably think it over for a couple more days before committing to a purchase, but thank you for your replies and suggestions.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 01:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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If paying for it will be a difficulty, get the cheaper one and don’t stress yourself. Just make sure that the one you end up with can take upgrades later on, resources permitting. Intel graphics chips are not ideal in a desktop, but they’re cheap. If you can add more memory and a better graphics card a year down the road, then great. Either one is bound to be better than what you had, right? cool smile

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Posted: 22 August 2012 05:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me that I have seen people talking about some graphics cards not working as well with studio as others. I can’t for the life of me remember which cards are not happy with daz though! Meh!

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Posted: 22 August 2012 05:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I wouldn’t take the one with Intel GMA graphic card because it’s a very low end card and it may not meet the minimal OpenGL requirement for DS. You may also encounter problem with viewport navigation unless some people could give a testimony that there is no problem with it
The Intel HD graphic even if it still a low end graphic card is many generation ahead and is latest Intel IGP and delivers far more better performance

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Posted: 23 August 2012 05:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Slimer_J_Spud - 22 August 2012 01:52 PM

If paying for it will be a difficulty, get the cheaper one and don’t stress yourself. Just make sure that the one you end up with can take upgrades later on, resources permitting. Intel graphics chips are not ideal in a desktop, but they’re cheap. If you can add more memory and a better graphics card a year down the road, then great. Either one is bound to be better than what you had, right? cool smile

This is true, thanks for the comment and suggestion

Takeo.Kensei - 22 August 2012 05:51 PM

I wouldn’t take the one with Intel GMA graphic card because it’s a very low end card and it may not meet the minimal OpenGL requirement for DS. You may also encounter problem with viewport navigation unless some people could give a testimony that there is no problem with it
The Intel HD graphic even if it still a low end graphic card is many generation ahead and is latest Intel IGP and delivers far more better performance

That was something I was wondering about, since I’d seen comments on other sites about the GMA. However, no one here had mentioned it until you, so thanks for that.

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Posted: 23 August 2012 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Takeo.Kensei - 22 August 2012 05:51 PM

I wouldn’t take the one with Intel GMA graphic card because it’s a very low end card and it may not meet the minimal OpenGL requirement for DS. You may also encounter problem with viewport navigation unless some people could give a testimony that there is no problem with it
The Intel HD graphic even if it still a low end graphic card is many generation ahead and is latest Intel IGP and delivers far more better performance

That was something I was wondering about, since I’d seen comments on other sites about the GMA. However, no one here had mentioned it until you, so thanks for that.

Not familiar enough with it to comment, but I certainly wouldn’t recommend a very low end card.

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Posted: 23 August 2012 10:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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people don’t realize how simple (and much cheaper) to build your own PC. I started with Antec 1100 case($75) , ASUS P8Z68-V LE motherboard( $120), Intel i7 2600k processor($300), 16 gb ram($75), rocketfish 500w power supply($70), zotac gtx 460 graphics card(which I already had) and the most important part kingston hyper x 120 gb solid state drive($129) with a wd 1 terabyte for storage.
Worked out to roughly $800 CAN for a retail $2000 PC!
It took me 2 hours to put together(and I am not a geek) and with the solid state drive is blazingly fast.
Anybody can do it. Just some thoughts.grin

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Posted: 23 August 2012 10:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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1drworx - 23 August 2012 10:12 AM

people don’t realize how simple (and much cheaper) to build your own PC. I started with Antec 1100 case($75) , ASUS P8Z68-V LE motherboard( $120), Intel i7 2600k processor($300), 16 gb ram($75), rocketfish 500w power supply($70), zotac gtx 460 graphics card(which I already had) and the most important part kingston hyper x 120 gb solid state drive($129) with a wd 1 terabyte for storage.
Worked out to roughly $800 CAN for a retail $2000 PC!
It took me 2 hours to put together(and I am not a geek) and with the solid state drive is blazingly fast.
Anybody can do it. Just some thoughts.grin

I did it for my previous machine, didn’t for the current - I priced it and couldn’t beat the price from Dell (probably because i7s were new at the time). I also wouldn’t do it again for any CPU that has me physically seating the heatsink on the die - delicate, expensive pieces of silicon and my impaired coordination don’t make a good combination!

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Posted: 23 August 2012 02:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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1drworx - 23 August 2012 10:12 AM

people don’t realize how simple (and much cheaper) to build your own PC. I started with Antec 1100 case($75) , ASUS P8Z68-V LE motherboard( $120), Intel i7 2600k processor($300), 16 gb ram($75), rocketfish 500w power supply($70), zotac gtx 460 graphics card(which I already had) and the most important part kingston hyper x 120 gb solid state drive($129) with a wd 1 terabyte for storage.
Worked out to roughly $800 CAN for a retail $2000 PC!
It took me 2 hours to put together(and I am not a geek) and with the solid state drive is blazingly fast.
Anybody can do it. Just some thoughts.grin

I’d also do that, but not everyone can do it. And that is a good thing also to get a 3 year warranty on a PC when you don’t know much about it so that in case you have problem you just have to bring it back and let people do the job for you

 

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I personnaly would buy the Lenovo. And the i5 is a good processor and there is not so much difference in rendering time with the i7.
The Asus could be a good bet if the GMA works OK. I’ve checked DAZ’s spec for the graphic card and it says OpenGL 1.6 required but I’m not sure it’s correct because I recall that it was rather OpenGL 2.1. But you could open a ticket to the support to be sure

You also should ask the vendor for the GMA Model and it’s specs and check it’s OpenGL capabilities. Intel made many GMA models so it could meet DAZ minimal requirement and be OK. The only thing I could find about the chip is that it uses shared memory. So it means that you’ll already lose up to 512 Mb RAM that will go to the graphic. If you plan on buying a better card later that could be the better choice provided that it works with DAZ

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Posted: 23 August 2012 02:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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1drworx - 23 August 2012 10:12 AM

people don’t realize how simple (and much cheaper) to build your own PC. I started with Antec 1100 case($75) , ASUS P8Z68-V LE motherboard( $120), Intel i7 2600k processor($300), 16 gb ram($75), rocketfish 500w power supply($70), zotac gtx 460 graphics card(which I already had) and the most important part kingston hyper x 120 gb solid state drive($129) with a wd 1 terabyte for storage.
Worked out to roughly $800 CAN for a retail $2000 PC!
It took me 2 hours to put together(and I am not a geek) and with the solid state drive is blazingly fast.
Anybody can do it. Just some thoughts.grin

Well, anybody CANNOT do it. If you have the knowledge and skill, then certainly this is a good option for you. I for example surely would not be able to do something like that. I could buy the parts, but that´s about it. Put them together - that´s something I will never be capable of.  I would not even know what parts I should actually buy - what CPU is suited for 3D, how much RAM I need, which graphic card… So from my point of view you definitely ARE a geek (no offense), if you were able to achieve something like this.

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Posted: 23 August 2012 03:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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I probably say the Lenovo, 50% more Ram will improve performance alot more than 5-10% more CPU.
You could use a decent video card upgrade for either though, wont make much (if any) difference to rendering time but it will improve viewport performance quite substancially, No need to go crazy though, even a budget card will to better job than on-board.
Remember to look out for upgradability in both systems, Make sure you have a 16x PCI-E slot at least and possibly unused PCI-E connectors on the Power Supply unit.
That said, Asus make some pretty damn good boards, but I dont know what Lenovos use.

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Posted: 26 August 2012 07:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Thank you for all the comments and suggestions too. I have found out that the people who fixed my parents’ pc can make pcs to order. I will be calling them on Tuesday (bank holiday weekend in UK atm) and asking them for some quotes based on what people have said here. Depending on what the price comes back as I may be able to get the kind of pc I would prefer anyway, but it’s good to know that the lenovo would still be a lot better than the current pc I have (which I can’t use at all no because it crashes as soon as i try to do anything).

So thank you everyone for your time and expertise, it’s much appreciated.

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