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Kyoto Kid - 23 August 2012 09:29 PM

For now the only advantage Genesis offers is improved joint bending (which is also available for the Gen4 figures though various add on joint and musculature fixes) and the ability to mix her with the other basic Genesis shapes.

Well. for a couple more things -

Genesis’s improved joint bending also applies to Genesis’s clothes; using the any of the Perfect V4 or Ironman etc added JCM packs on V4 is all well and good (especially if you only do reneders of nudes), but the bending of the clothes V4 is wearing is not improved by the added V4 JCMs (and in most cases trying to transfer V4 specific JCMs to clothing with Morphing Clothes or the like is not going to help, and indeed is likely to make things worth). It’s not only that Genesis bends better than V4 or M4; Genesis’s clothes bend better than theirs too.

And then there’s the way parts of Genesis can be scaled. I’m just in the throws of creating a character with Genesis with the physique based on that of a certain real (female) person. Am still trying to choose whether to base on the V4, V5, V5SM, S5 or S5M shapes, but for all of them the shoulders aren’t broad enough for the physique I’m trying to recreate. With Genesis there’s a simple proportion dial to increase the shoulder width that just xscales chest and collars, and the figure works fine. Try applying the same xscaling to V4’s body parts and all the joints in her arms break ... very nasty. So the ability with Genesis to trivially move or scale some of the actual joint centres without then having to re-rig all the child bones makes Genesis more versatile in terms of the range of proportions of characters it can be used for.

chohole - 23 August 2012 10:00 AM

You will find that if you reset the V5 Pro bundle there is a file with exactly the same name as the file which is included in the Steph 5 bundle, so it does appear that they are the same.

Thanks to you and fixmypcmike, I really do appreciate it. DAZ owe a lot to helpful and diplomatic people on this forum like you, more, I’d wager, than they realize.

Of course, due to DAZ’s own continued silence about this (among other reasons, to be fair) I’ve already decided against the S5 Pro Package.

But really, it’s not about just me. I’ve enough experience with DAZ to not be surprised by their shenanigans. But for those who have not, I would assume it does make a difference whether they get information they need from the product page of an item (in this particular case a bit of a problem, I admit), whether they have to go to a forum to find an announcement from DAZ or whether they have to search through the threads to find the result of the detective work of other users on page seven.

How are you going to built trust towards a company that operates like this?

And they still, to my knowledge, have not managed to communicate the end date of the S5 sale. I, and maybe even some others, would have liked to know if the sale extended to September, so I could use my PC couponon S5. Now since DAZ has remained silent and Renderosity has launched a Rhiannon Birthday Sale it was much easier for me to decide what to do with the rest of my budget, but I am not sure if this was actually the effect DAZ was going for.

I love the body shape, but not really a fan of the face. Here is S5 with her head set S5 to zero and a bit of Scarlet dialled in with a pinch of Ghislaine teen.

Like with the V5 and V4 body morphs, if you just dial up the S5 body, you get the S5 head, even though the S5 head shape dial is at zero. If you don’t want the S5 head on the S5 body, dial the S5 head dial to -1. You’ll then have the S5 body with the default Genesis head. You cna then dial up the V5 head, or the V4 head or whatever to go with the S5 body.

Sorry. By zero I mean’t -1 as in zero affect on the head. They are all 0 by default.

DavidGB - 23 August 2012 03:36 PM

SimonJM - 23 August 2012 01:36 PM

cwichura - 23 August 2012 01:17 PM

SimonJM - 23 August 2012 12:07 PM

fixmypcmike - 23 August 2012 10:01 AM

People have reset the V5 pro bundle and the Female Genitals are the same, with the new S5 mapping added.

And the new ‘bits’ are different inasmuch as they now have a single MAT zone, instead of the two the old version had.

I noticed that too when I was checking out the file structure to see if they were different.  I don’t understand why they got rid of the second mat zone.  Now, instead of getting a pinkish area like there should be, you get the outer skin colour from the hip on the insides, which just looks wrong, particularly with some darker/tanned skin sets.

That was my immediate thought ... I started using the GOM Orc MATs to evolve a dark elf and ... well I stopped

Whoa. That’s not good. Why have they done this?

Well, the mesh is the same (at least morphs for the old gens still work on the new). Reckon I’ll fish out the UV files from the previous version to replace the new ones, and then see about hacking the S5 gens UV to put the other material zone in it.

Well, I’ve put the old V5 Genetalia data files back in the data folder, along with the new S5 UV data file, and everything appears to work fine - the skinhip material of the genetalia takes the S5 mapped material, but the SkinGenetalia surface is still there too now. If you set the skinGenetalia UV set to S5 it takes the tiny appropriate part from the S5 body map for the same total effect as the ‘new’, no-skingenetalia version; but yopu can set the skingenetalia UV set to ‘genital detail’ and use the FemaleGenitalTexture.jpg jsut like formerly with V5 and V4.

So that has it working with S5 the same as it did work with V4 and V5 before. And if there is actually some problem I haven’t noticed yet, I’ve always got the new version to reinstall as necessary.

So if you want the female gens to work as it did before for V4 and V5 and also for S5 but with skingenitalia surface, just get the old 13597_Victoria5Genitalia_1.3_trx.exe installer and put the data files for that back in your library (don’t uninstall the new 13497_GenesisFemaleGenitalia_1.4_trx.exe or you’ll lose the S5UVs. We’ll just need to make sure we keep a copy of the Victoria5Genetalia installer or of ots versions of the female gens data files for future use after any other updates.

Hello,

I was not happy using the Breast Small morph with V5 (left figure).  I suppose I could use some other morphs to lessen the hard implant look. I am more pleased with the default S5 (middle figure) and the Breast Small morph works better on S5 (right figure).

One thing that seems to be missing on Genesis is a waist size morph like on V4. I can use the full body morphs to add some weight. Again I may be able to figure out some combinations of morphs to have the same effect.

Regards Eric

DavidGB - 24 August 2012 07:19 AM

Kyoto Kid - 23 August 2012 09:29 PM

For now the only advantage Genesis offers is improved joint bending (which is also available for the Gen4 figures though various add on joint and musculature fixes) and the ability to mix her with the other basic Genesis shapes.

Well. for a couple more things -

Genesis’s improved joint bending also applies to Genesis’s clothes; using the any of the Perfect V4 or Ironman etc added JCM packs on V4 is all well and good (especially if you only do reneders of nudes), but the bending of the clothes V4 is wearing is not improved by the added V4 JCMs (and in most cases trying to transfer V4 specific JCMs to clothing with Morphing Clothes or the like is not going to help, and indeed is likely to make things worth). It’s not only that Genesis bends better than V4 or M4; Genesis’s clothes bend better than theirs too.

And then there’s the way parts of Genesis can be scaled. I’m just in the throws of creating a character with Genesis with the physique based on that of a certain real (female) person. Am still trying to choose whether to base on the V4, V5, V5SM, S5 or S5M shapes, but for all of them the shoulders aren’t broad enough for the physique I’m trying to recreate. With Genesis there’s a simple proportion dial to increase the shoulder width that just xscales chest and collars, and the figure works fine. Try applying the same xscaling to V4’s body parts and all the joints in her arms break ... very nasty. So the ability with Genesis to trivially move or scale some of the actual joint centres without then having to re-rig all the child bones makes Genesis more versatile in terms of the range of proportions of characters it can be used for.

...the child character below was created with V4 and an injected Thorne character body shape as the base.  Scaling of individual body regions and limbs was employed and there was no breaking of any joints or limbs or other mesh distortions.  This was also done in Studio 2.3 which did not have the benefit of the Morph follower for clothing fits (clothing was all manually fitted).  Yes it may have required more effort than working with Genesis, but it still worked.

Sorry if this was already answered, but when does the Intro Sale end?

Test, Test, Test

I posted a reply to message 111 yesterday and saw it in the thread after posting. Today it is gone without a trace. Nothing offensive inside, btw.

Now I tried to PM chohole about it, sent the message - and it vanished! No error message, nothing in the “sent” folder.

The forum hates me.

Out of curiosity - did anyone get my reply (about the /UV Maps/ folder) yesterday by eMail notification?

Now I hit “Submit Post” and see what happens…

^ ^ ^ it was posted, I see it. Now I’m curious if it gets deleted again…

is this a uv map of Stephanies geografted girly bits you are reffering to?  I do not think you can even post an image of that much nudity

wendy♥catz - 25 August 2012 03:59 AM

I do not think you can even post an image of that much nudity

I may be naive, but I’m not that naive…

It was a “pure text” question to DavidGB using nothing but “F” and “G” words that are written already on this thread. A lot...

So I guess I just ask the question again now and see what happens…

@ DavidGB:

Do we need to replace all 6 files under /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis/Female Genitalia/ or just the 4 files under /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis/Female Genitalia/UV Sets/ ?

Martin_C - 25 August 2012 04:35 AM

@ DavidGB:

Do we need to replace all 6 files under /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis/Female Genitalia/ or just the 4 files under /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis/Female Genitalia/UV Sets/ ?

In data\DAZ 3D\Genesis\Female Genitalia you need to replace the Genesis Female Genitalia.dsf (that’s the baee figure file which sets it up to have two material groups). Then all the files in the UV folder (except the new S5 UV file, of course). You don’t need to replace what’s in the morph folder, though it won’t matter if you do.

Stephanie 5 is great for mixing her with the other Genesis shapes.
Below is a Daz Studio 4 Pro render of Stephanie 5 Model mixed with
a little of Stephanie 3, Stephanie 4 and Tajga shapes.
Also used Pure Hair Lovely. Click the image to see it enlarged.