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Posted: 22 August 2012 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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This is just my opinion. But I might add the model artist and the daz store may fair better in sales if they were take hints from some of the model venders at renderosity.com and that is to make the product for both v4 and Genesis it may take a little extra effort but in the long run you will be rewarded for your efforts in sales from both poser and genesis users. because right now it really feels like Daz and its venders have abandon the poser user and maybe that is why there is so much fighting about content at daz store.

The Sellers at renderosity.com that are catering to both Poser and Genesis users are doing way better business than those who are only catering to one program either genesis or gen4 models. here is a very good example of what I am talking about.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/danielle/94876
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/p3d-anouschka/94972
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vh-danysa-for-victoria-4-genesis/90498

There many more but i think you get the point.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 01:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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http://www.daz3d.com/shop/alisha-for-v4-and-genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/abby-for-v4-and-genesis

just for starters, could find more if I tried, but I knew of those

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Posted: 22 August 2012 02:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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chohole - 22 August 2012 01:32 PM

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/alisha-for-v4-and-genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/abby-for-v4-and-genesis

just for starters, could find more if I tried, but I knew of those

I bought those a long time ago.
Daz store is limited on gen5 and gen4 double program models

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Posted: 22 August 2012 02:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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chohole - 22 August 2012 01:32 PM

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/alisha-for-v4-and-genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/abby-for-v4-and-genesis

just for starters, could find more if I tried, but I knew of those

I dunno why it double posted
removed for double post.

well time to go to work ..
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Posted: 23 August 2012 06:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Ivy - 22 August 2012 01:10 PM

the model artist and the daz store may fair better in sales if they were take hints from some of the model venders at renderosity.com and that is to make the product for both v4 and Genesis it may take a little extra effort

We’ve had a couple of vendors say that for clothing it’s significantly more than ‘a little extra effort’ to duplicate an item from Genesis to Gen 4. Characters are more directly comparable, and there are a bunch of dual-targetted figures here as well as at Rendo, for instance the recently released http://www.daz3d.com/shop/addison and http://www.daz3d.com/shop/kumar

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Posted: 23 August 2012 07:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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Ivy - 22 August 2012 01:10 PM

This is just my opinion. But I might add the model artist and the daz store may fair better in sales if they were take hints from some of the model venders at renderosity.com and that is to make the product for both v4 and Genesis it may take a little extra effort but in the long run you will be rewarded for your efforts in sales from both poser and genesis users. because right now it really feels like Daz and its venders have abandon the poser user and maybe that is why there is so much fighting about content at daz store.

I’m glad you put “opinion” on this post because considering you’re not actually vendoring, but it’s way more than a little effort to support both for the overall return… especially if you’re doing a quality job for both generations, not just one and the other as an afterthought. After all the issues and headaches of getting both gen 4 and genesis products out the door for marginal return, most of our products will be “either or”, not both.

The Sellers at renderosity.com that are catering to both Poser and Genesis users are doing way better business than those who are only catering to one program either genesis or gen4 models. here is a very good example of what I am talking about.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/danielle/94876
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/p3d-anouschka/94972
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vh-danysa-for-victoria-4-genesis/90498

There many more but i think you get the point.

Again, only the vendors can tell you that, and a lot of it depends on what’s offered. I do know that my sales haven’t went down since we’ve been selling Genesis-only products…. and actually considering store issues, I actually made more than I did last year… surprisingly. ohh

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Posted: 23 August 2012 07:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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Ivy - 22 August 2012 01:10 PM

the model artist and the daz store may fair better in sales if they were take hints from some of the model venders at renderosity.com and that is to make the product for both v4 and Genesis it may take a little extra effort

We’ve had a couple of vendors say that for clothing it’s significantly more than ‘a little extra effort’ to duplicate an item from Genesis to Gen 4. Characters are more directly comparable, and there are a bunch of dual-targetted figures here as well as at Rendo, for instance the recently released http://www.daz3d.com/shop/addison and http://www.daz3d.com/shop/kumar

Thanks for repeating what I already said. smile
Though I don’t see how it would be any harder or take any more effort now to make clothing for gen4 now than it did a year ago before genesis came out. I just don’t understand that thinking????

My opinion is if the artist don’t want to make a dual product then that is fine & their choice there are are also artist at renderousity as well that just cater to just either poser or just to daz.  same for content paradise and runtimeDNA.. But the same thing for those sites as well, if the dual program users can’t use the product then they don’t buy it.

BUT…. The artist that are catering to both gen5 and gen4 - Daz & Poser for within the same product package are doing much better sales for each of the products they release.( Hence you are rewarded for your extra effort with sales you would have other wised missed out on.. That is just ” Logical”

  Its no skin off my teeth if i don’t have gen5 clothing. Or a gen5 model character to use in poser & Daz 3a I can still find great stuff to buy else where. don’t you think Daz store would have liked a percentage of what I and other spent this month other places because we couldn’t get it here. if you say no then you would be kidding yourself.

I also understand if you have never used any other program other than a daz program to make art, then you properly won’t understand the feeling why some user are complaining about the lack of merchandise to buy at the daz store for poser

I am being optimistic here and saying hopefully soon in the future Daz and Poser will once again be able to share its content folder like it once was able to. with out having to have tools and script and jumping through hoops to use it then there won’t be a issue any longer.

 

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Posted: 23 August 2012 07:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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I’m glad you put “opinion” on this post because considering you’re not actually vendoring, but it’s way more than a little effort to support both for the overall return… especially if you’re doing a quality job for both generations, not just one and the other as an afterthought. After all the issues and headaches of getting both gen 4 and genesis products out the door for marginal return, most of our products will be “either or”, not both.

what do you sell for products,  Character models or Props? that would make a difference in your sales.
Also I could not find your store and it was not listed on your profile.  when did you start becoming a vender pre- Genesis or post genesis?

Have you ever made gen4 products in the past? if you did then it shouldn’t be that hard for you to make a dual program program product now unless you choose not to for other reasons such as resources or time involved.
Though I also bet if you would have made your character products(if that’s what you sell) for both poser and daz your sale would have been even better That would be logical if you been reading the complaints on these threads.
Don’t hate the poser user because we are complaining of lack of compatible products . Try to understand our point of view of being a user of multiple programs.. Just like you we don’t want to work harder to use a product any more than you want to work harder to produce one.

Some people are just so touchy around here.

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Posted: 23 August 2012 07:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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Posted: 23 August 2012 08:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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Ivy - 23 August 2012 07:49 AM

I’m glad you put “opinion” on this post because considering you’re not actually vendoring, but it’s way more than a little effort to support both for the overall return… especially if you’re doing a quality job for both generations, not just one and the other as an afterthought. After all the issues and headaches of getting both gen 4 and genesis products out the door for marginal return, most of our products will be “either or”, not both.

what do you sell for products,  Character models or Props? that would make a difference in your sales.
Also I could not find your store and it was not listed on your profile.  when did you start becoming a vender pre- Genesis or post genesis?

Have you ever made gen4 products in the past? if you did then it shouldn’t be that hard for you to make a dual program program product now unless you choose not to for other reasons such as resources or time involved.
Though I also bet if you would have made your character products(if that’s what you sell) for both poser and daz your sale would have been even better That would be logical if you been reading the complaints on these threads.
Don’t hate the poser user because we are complaining of lack of compatible products . Try to understand our point of view of being a user of multiple programs.. Just like you we don’t want to work harder to use a product any more than you want to work harder to produce one.

Some people are just so touchy around here.


http://www.daz3d.com/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=male-m3dia

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Posted: 23 August 2012 08:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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Ivy - 23 August 2012 07:49 AM

I’m glad you put “opinion” on this post because considering you’re not actually vendoring, but it’s way more than a little effort to support both for the overall return… especially if you’re doing a quality job for both generations, not just one and the other as an afterthought. After all the issues and headaches of getting both gen 4 and genesis products out the door for marginal return, most of our products will be “either or”, not both.

what do you sell for products,  Character models or Props? that would make a difference in your sales.
Also I could not find your store and it was not listed on your profile.  when did you start becoming a vender pre- Genesis or post genesis?

Have you ever made gen4 products in the past? if you did then it shouldn’t be that hard for you to make a dual program program product now unless you choose not to for other reasons such as resources or time involved.
Though I also bet if you would have made your character products(if that’s what you sell) for both poser and daz your sale would have been even better That would be logical if you been reading the complaints on these threads.
Don’t hate the poser user because we are complaining of lack of compatible products . Try to understand our point of view of being a user of multiple programs.. Just like you we don’t want to work harder to use a product any more than you want to work harder to produce one.

Some people are just so touchy around here.


http://www.daz3d.com/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=male-m3dia

Kendall

Thanks Kendall for the link.
Though I already own the v4 products on this store.smile

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Posted: 23 August 2012 08:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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Ivy - 22 August 2012 01:10 PM

the model artist and the daz store may fair better in sales if they were take hints from some of the model venders at renderosity.com and that is to make the product for both v4 and Genesis it may take a little extra effort

We’ve had a couple of vendors say that for clothing it’s significantly more than ‘a little extra effort’ to duplicate an item from Genesis to Gen 4. Characters are more directly comparable, and there are a bunch of dual-targetted figures here as well as at Rendo, for instance the recently released http://www.daz3d.com/shop/addison and http://www.daz3d.com/shop/kumar

Thanks for repeating what I already said. smile
Though I don’t see how it would be any harder or take any more effort now to make clothing for gen4 now than it did a year ago before genesis came out. I just don’t understand that thinking????

It isn’t more effort to make Gen 4 clothing than it was, it is far less effort to make Genesis clothing than it is to make Gen 4.

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Posted: 23 August 2012 08:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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Ivy - 23 August 2012 07:49 AM

what do you sell for products,  Character models or Props? that would make a difference in your sales.
Also I could not find your store and it was not listed on your profile.  when did you start becoming a vender pre- Genesis or post genesis?

I sell characters here at DAZ… so it would definitely make a difference. I started before Genesis, so I can compare my sales of pre-Genesis against afterwards, which is why after all the store issues, I still made more money than I did last year with Gen4 items.

Also, we were one of the first PAs that sold dual Gen4/Genesis in any store and did it for about five months before separating the products out to see if it impacted sales. But during that time, we had to do morphs twice, fix seams twice, do materials 5 times (Poser/DS/HSS) and make sure that all those calls weren’t messed up between both versions and go through QA to verify each download. Also in some products both Gen4 and Genesis had the same face mixing capability (as we did with our first Gen4 characters), so the Gen4 morphs were injected through ExP. So these are generally larger projects than what you’ve previously listed. Our last product in Gen4 also included face mixing and scaling M4, something that people had been asking for with David 4.

Have you ever made gen4 products in the past? if you did then it shouldn’t be that hard for you to make a dual program program product now unless you choose not to for other reasons such as resources or time involved.
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Think I covered this already.

Some people are just so touchy around here.

No, just more informed about some things than others wink

Edit: Also check for characters in here as well:

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/forbiddenwhispers?p=2

Seems some of the characters are missing from search like Ryuu for M4/Genesis, Abigail for V4/Genesis and Nigel for M4/Genesis.

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Posted: 23 August 2012 08:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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Ivy - 23 August 2012 08:15 AM
Kendall Sears - 23 August 2012 08:11 AM
Ivy - 23 August 2012 07:49 AM

I’m glad you put “opinion” on this post because considering you’re not actually vendoring, but it’s way more than a little effort to support both for the overall return… especially if you’re doing a quality job for both generations, not just one and the other as an afterthought. After all the issues and headaches of getting both gen 4 and genesis products out the door for marginal return, most of our products will be “either or”, not both.

what do you sell for products,  Character models or Props? that would make a difference in your sales.
Also I could not find your store and it was not listed on your profile.  when did you start becoming a vender pre- Genesis or post genesis?

Have you ever made gen4 products in the past? if you did then it shouldn’t be that hard for you to make a dual program program product now unless you choose not to for other reasons such as resources or time involved.
Though I also bet if you would have made your character products(if that’s what you sell) for both poser and daz your sale would have been even better That would be logical if you been reading the complaints on these threads.
Don’t hate the poser user because we are complaining of lack of compatible products . Try to understand our point of view of being a user of multiple programs.. Just like you we don’t want to work harder to use a product any more than you want to work harder to produce one.

Some people are just so touchy around here.


http://www.daz3d.com/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=male-m3dia

Kendall

Thanks Kendall for the link.
Though I already own the v4 products on this store.smile

Ivy,
  You may want to do a bit more research.  SickleYield and several other PA’s have stated, in the past, how much more work supporting Gen4 characters are than Genesis.  They’ve also discussed how little returns they get G4 vs Gn.

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Posted: 23 August 2012 08:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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Ivy - 23 August 2012 07:30 AM

I also understand if you have never used any other program other than a daz program to make art, then you properly won’t understand the feeling why some user are complaining about the lack of merchandise to buy at the daz store for poser

There’s plenty of non-DAZ compatible stuff around, there’s a whole lot of Poser Dynamic stuff I’d really like to use (I can probably import it and rig it using the Clothing Creation utility, but that’s new since DS4 and I’ve been around since DS2 if not DS1)

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