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Posted: 21 August 2012 06:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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LycanthropeX - 21 August 2012 06:13 PM

Poser does have a manual…. but if Daz 3D had it that would be the first “bug” they got rid of in the program


lol So true. Though that would be a great pity as I seriously love having my Poser manual. It makes such a difference.

Honestly I would use Daz Studio a lot more if I had an actual complete downloadable manual - it would consume so much less time not having to search the interwebs for information I needed.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 06:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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How come no one’s demanding that DAZ include those new techniques in Studio so you can use the new figures you say won’t work?

Saying something is incompatible doesn’t necessarily mean any one cares much if they become compatible. If Studio users are not asking for it I seriously doubt DAZ will even look into it and so far there has been no outcry to have it happen.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 06:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Khory - 21 August 2012 06:33 PM

How come no one’s demanding that DAZ include those new techniques in Studio so you can use the new figures you say won’t work?

Saying something is incompatible doesn’t necessarily mean any one cares much if they become compatible. If Studio users are not asking for it I seriously doubt DAZ will even look into it and so far there has been no outcry to have it happen.

So far I’ve heard complaints that Genesis doesn’t work in Poser.  I haven’t heard hordes clamoring for GNDA or other Smith Micro figures to work in DS4. 


I’m fairly sure it’s a question of people wanting to render in the suite they’re used to or prefer, not really of figure support.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 07:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Khory - 21 August 2012 06:33 PM

How come no one’s demanding that DAZ include those new techniques in Studio so you can use the new figures you say won’t work?

Saying something is incompatible doesn’t necessarily mean any one cares much if they become compatible. If Studio users are not asking for it I seriously doubt DAZ will even look into it and so far there has been no outcry to have it happen.

In addition, no one outside of DAZ 3D and SM knows what the licensing situation is.  Dan Farr said they offered the Genesis tech to SM for free.  I don’t know what or if SM has offered.  They obviously allowed DAZ 3D to replicate the new .cr2 tech for the purpose of the exporter (whether DAZ 3D had to pay a license fee is unknown), but that doesn’t mean they also licensed it for an importer, or if DAZ 3D even asked for it.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 09:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Currently I use C4D ,Blender ,zBrush ,D/S , Gimp and I’m good.
Another might use Max ,Mudd ,Poser .and there good.
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In the future who knows what I’ll be using.
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1998 there was no DAZ Studio ,Modo ,zBrush ,C4D ,Maya ,3D Coat ,Mudd ect ect.
1998 UV Maps & rigs , a lot of fun.
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I like DAZ Studio and I use it.it works like C4D.I feel like D/S Pro 4 is a advancement from 1998.
Feels like where moving forward.
D/S has humans with a decent poly count ,Sub divided meshes ,weighted rigs ,morphs and GoZ ect ect ...
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Posted: 21 August 2012 09:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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LycanthropeX - 21 August 2012 04:13 PM

Maybe the big news will be that Daz 3D has bought Poser from Smith Micro so that there will no longer be any cross company conflict in developing products

oh and from now on Poser Pro 2012 will be free

Even thou DAZ has never owned Poser.
I would guess ever bit of 90% of all Poser content sold has been for a DAZ product ,I would guess at least 80% of that’s been for Vicky.

I’ve always called Vicky the Queen.

I don’t think there would be a Poser or D/S if not for Vicky.

Vicky 5 is the first Vicky that has not worked for Poser.
A kingdom will fall with out there Queen.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 09:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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What perplexes me is people have been saying they’re leaving pretty much since Genesis was announced, but if anyone elsewhere creates a new figure that’s incompatible with Studio, then there’s a flurry of praise for their innovation. I can’t help thinking DAZ have to work twice as hard to get half the praise.

Well, in all fairness, people have virtually stopped using Poser altogether because of one figure (or platform, or whatever the heck Genesis is). And as far as I know, it was DAZ’s choice not to adopt some of the new rigging techniques developed by Poser. How come no one’s demanding that DAZ include those new techniques in Studio so you can use the new figures you say won’t work? Quid Pro Quo.

I don’t use “old Poser” characters because they look like crap.  I don’t use “new Poser” characters because I’ve become spoiled with auto-fit.  It just takes too much effort (in comparison) to clothe a “Poser” or Gen4 character any more.  Every time I bring in V4, then morph her, the clothes all go to hell.  At that point I decide that in the time it would take to just “fix” the pokethru I could have a Genesis loaded, morphed, posed, haired, clothed, positioned, and working on the next Genesis in the frame.

Why would I ask for adding more work to my day?  I’d more likely ask the Poser Only character creators to create a Genesis version.  But you know what?  I’m not interested in causing angsty threads at Rendo or RDNA to ask for them.  I’ll do without rather than cause undue strife over a 3D character.  Besides, it wouldn’t be that hard to make a Genesis clone of just about any figure with just a few dials.  Alexa is becoming a pro at that very thing.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 09:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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fixme12 - 20 August 2012 12:45 PM

is this a forum or a place where we all say goodbye? i’ve read the last 5 posts only things about…
i leave daz..
i will leave daz…
we all leave daz…
shut eye
and that’s all because of GENESIS ? vampire

come on! LOL

I haven’t left; I just got smooshed behind all the new site construction & it took me a while to free myself.LOL

What if daz can launch us “Sssoon” a software program that we never have seen before… ?
a program that would be 100 times better as we have and know today called iclone, poser or carrara, or…
a program that have mixed features of all other 3d software available (iclone,poser,carrara,blender,maya, zbrush, c4d,max,...)
some awesome character/animation/game studio .

Wouldn’t you guys like to play in such kind of program?

I would like to play with such a program…but I think my family is already planning an intervention to separate me & the computer.  They say I’m addicted.tongue rolleye

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Posted: 22 August 2012 05:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Kendall Sears - 21 August 2012 09:51 PM

I don’t use “old Poser” characters because they look like crap.  I don’t use “new Poser” characters because I’ve become spoiled with auto-fit.  It just takes too much effort (in comparison) to clothe a “Poser” or Gen4 character any more.  Every time I bring in V4, then morph her, the clothes all go to hell.  At that point I decide that in the time it would take to just “fix” the pokethru I could have a Genesis loaded, morphed, posed, haired, clothed, positioned, and working on the next Genesis in the frame.

Poser does have Wardrobe Wizard. Like AutoFit, it can give results varying from excellent to atrocious.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 05:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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SickleYield - 21 August 2012 05:30 PM

I know, seriously.  I can’t imagine what they were thinking with Genesis, actually making it possible to create weight-mapped man and child characters with real clothing and multi-UV support.  And who needs a three-click Transfer Utility?  Clothes should be slow and painful to make!  What are we, pansies?

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Posted: 22 August 2012 05:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Khory - 21 August 2012 06:33 PM

How come no one’s demanding that DAZ include those new techniques in Studio so you can use the new figures you say won’t work?

Saying something is incompatible doesn’t necessarily mean any one cares much if they become compatible. If Studio users are not asking for it I seriously doubt DAZ will even look into it and so far there has been no outcry to have it happen.

Exactly. The difference is market support for new figures. Without that market support, the case for pressing DAZ to adopt them is non-existent. There’s a visible market demand for Genesis-Poser compatibility, but next to none for SM-Figures to Poser. I’m struggling to remember what the post Miki 3 figures are even called, which is a strong hint of how much market traction they’ve picked up.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 06:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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The most issue that people moving is that the PC does not support enough of products that can be used in Poser and gen4 , it have nothing to do with DS or Genesis at last not all of them and I see why as there is not as much products as it was before dues to the vendors that spend minder time making new creation that works only with genesis ( like myself ) but I never made anything like I made now for gen4 and I still have a lot to learn to catch up with Poser 2012 as I left this software with the last Poser8 version that does not worked well for me the way as I would like . I used Poser because of the base content created by DAZ , as Poser would never leave version 4 without new content , but the complains about is like compare Victoria secret customer making announcement in public about leaving the store just because they don’t sell 80’s granny underwear anymore.

Bellow illustration is intend for fun and good lough , so please don’t take offense
it is graphic but maybe some of the folk will better understand the difference
between 2 systems that does not come good together at this moment
but the future will change the game .. give it just a little bit more time and stay positive

next time when someone complain just think about this illustration , as that is the reason why and it is true

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Posted: 22 August 2012 07:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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It’s not just about Genesis…

Many of us (I’d say the overwhelming majority) are hobby users here. We get our creative juices off by making our little NVWAS, fae folk, and other renders. Many don’t need to use the new stuff, but in the store, when was the last V3 item offered? For that matter, what is the percentage of V4 or M4 stuff to Genesis? probably 1 to 5, and of that ratio, how much will interest me? That means there’s very little for me to buy. That’s why I dropped my PC membership after 6 years- I was just laying out $7.95/month, and nothing was being purchased. Now, DAZ will state that they can only sell what the PA’s create, but frankly, that’s a moist, stinky pile of crap: they say they’re only accepting V4, M4, V3, A3, hell, the old MGPT stuff, and that’s what the modelers are going to offer.

Furthermore, Studio 4.x is atrocious to a lot of us. There’s stuff we don’t need/want, can’t stand the ridiculous layout that deals more with how some developer needs to prove how good he is compared to a usable, simple interface, so that we stick to DS3. Factor that in and Genesis becomes more unusable. Never mind that there were bug reports in DS3 that were ignored for more than 2 years, just pissing off loyal customers while DAZ went in this new direction.

Finally, there is that idiotic “soon” issue. I know that a lot of you think it’s cute, but any company that can’t meet its own deadlines is going to frustrate a lot of us customers. Many save up to buy content, and then have to wait and wait, until they can’t wait any more, spend what they saved, then the content is released.

I’m not one to shout about my complaints online. I don’t need to say goodbye to share my pain with people. When I left the PC, I left a simple “thank you” for the help I received in that forum and unsubscribed: I couldn’t even see the replies, if there were any. I prefer to speak with my wallet: I’ve spent probably 3-4 grand in the past 6 years, but I’d estimate that I’ve spent less than a hundred in 2012- there’s been that little to interest me. DAZ needs to take note that it’s the money people spend that decides whether they’re going in the right direction: they can only count on the initial excitement expenditures to last so long. It’s the long-term customer that has kept them in business, and alienating them is opt a good business model.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 07:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Joe Gerardi - 22 August 2012 07:01 AM

Finally, there is that idiotic “soon” issue. I know that a lot of you think it’s cute, but any company that can’t meet its own deadlines is going to frustrate a lot of us customers

My main project took 20 odd years to deliver, DAZ is quite refreshingly speedy after that wink

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Posted: 22 August 2012 08:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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DWG - 22 August 2012 07:47 AM
Joe Gerardi - 22 August 2012 07:01 AM

Finally, there is that idiotic “soon” issue. I know that a lot of you think it’s cute, but any company that can’t meet its own deadlines is going to frustrate a lot of us customers

My main project took 20 odd years to deliver, DAZ is quite refreshingly speedy after that wink

I’m not leaving Daz, never said i was. I’m just buying nothing at daz right now. Not until I can use it in poser with out a bunch of extra steps or tools to make it work like it did before everything changed, I have complained about the same thing to SM also about this divorce between Daz and SM products compatibility

Also I believe what most people are talking about is more not buying at daz store than leaving daz.
Like for the record I spent $112 at rendo so far this month.
I spent $0 at Daz because there is nothing i can use that I already don;t own or will work with out a bunch of extra work in poser & daz3. there are many like me waiting for things to get better in model exchange. between the 2 programs that is all. I think that is a pretty fair assumption.

Though that kind of shopping habits from others like me has got to hurt daz store and its not that we are trying to hurt daz store or its venders. But really if I can’t use the product why buy it. Ive never said I didn’t like the looks of the gen5 products But I’m to lazy to take all those extra steps to make, it work in poser. That and beside the fact I have hard drives full of older content that I still love and want to continue to use with out having to do this to that to make it work in here.
But I am waiting patiently for daz to return to its former glory then maybe I’ll start buying here again
But that is just my opinion.

 

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