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Posted: 15 October 2012 06:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 526 ]
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T Jaiman - 15 October 2012 06:28 PM


DS 4.5 still runs the old characters. They can be in the same scene with Genesis. They can be by themselves.

So why would anyone throw anything away? I’m not.

I can convert most of it, and I what I can’t, I can run on the native generation.

If I lose my content and backups, I can redownload from my account.

I’ve got all the items in the 3 vaults. (I suspect a lot of gen 3 has been unvaulted, by now, because it’s loved, and much of it can be Genesis-ed).


I’m not phased, because there’s no reason to be.

It’s the same situation as running the old and the new in Poser.

I know and that is not my issue.  For example, I have a client who need promotional items girls softball team and another client who wants artwork for a book she written and both require I make custom clothing which making the model is not a issue but (feeling like a pain in the butt on the forum) I have tried to figure out rigging, etc ... and all the tutors are for genesis or the links on the daz are broken. I sick of daz broken links on the help guide to anything other than genesis.

 

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Posted: 15 October 2012 06:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 527 ]
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KimberSue - 15 October 2012 05:53 PM

I know about that but what am I suppose to do with all the content I spend $500.00+ for towards kids and toon characters my clients want in rendered artwork? Delete and call it a lose because of Genesis? There is still no injects for genesis kids. Not everyone wants to make superheroes and half naked women. I am still serious considering carrara pro but stepping back and looking at other 3D software before moving forward.  Unless you have some answer on how to make a kids 4 injection work on genesis kids?

 

You are supposed to replace everything.  Get busy making Genesis In A Temple With A Sword (and 4 arms, but no top)! 

In all seriousness, if genesis doesn’t offer any advantages to you, ignore it.  I have installed the DSON importer, and I have played around with it, but at the end of the day, I need content - I don’t do heroic fantasy, therefore genesis is mostly a non-factor for me. 

If Dimension3D can get his Genesis Generation X and the GenX AddOn Gen3 Bundle running in Poser, then it would be a different story - I could move a couple hundred characters over to genesis and I would even buy new characters for the skin maps.

As far as the kids, look at the content that is sold at DAZ - vendors here are really into impractical armor,  impractical spaceware, and hookerwear.  If you want normal, contemporary clothing, you will be shopping elsewhere. 15 months after release, the genesis wardrobe is pretty bare as far as clothing you could wear to the office (or to the mall).

As far as looking at other software, Poser will always be there for you (with documentation, no less).

For me, I am a small business owner and need to find another source of income ( or two ) in this economy and I both need to make clothing for rendered images for clients and I really would love to sell clothing content that is family friendly. I can do the modeling however when I look at the daz help center all the links are broken except for genesis stuff so I might use cararra basic for the modeling, I do like the modeling room in it but use poser (or other software) to do rigging, etc.  BTW: I shop at lot of place online. I sunk well over $2000.00 in software, content and tutors trying to find another source of income for my small business.

I have poser 2012 so I plan to spend some time on poser tutors this week. 

 

 

 

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Posted: 15 October 2012 06:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 528 ]
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KimberSue - 15 October 2012 06:37 PM

I know and that is not my issue.  For example, I have a client who need promotional items girls softball team and another client who wants artwork for a book she written and both require I make custom clothing which making the model is not a issue but (feeling like a pain in the butt on the forum) I have tried to figure out rigging, etc ... and all the tutors are for genesis or the links on the daz are broken. I sick of daz broken links on the help guide to anything other than genesis.

Yeah, a lot of the CCT info is on the forums, and tutorials are scattered on personal sites.

The old Artzone wikis, are here, if you’re looking for FST. (I’m not sure what it has). The forums and personal sites have a wealth of info on modeling and rigging, and there are tutorials for sale at every big brokerage.

The forum here, at Rendo, and RDNA are loaded with people who are anxious to talk about the older knowledge.

Good luck with your endeavors.


If you run Firefox, there are links in my sig, to automatically translate old-forum links, and load the pictures normally.

Someone else has a method for another browser (not IE), but I lost track…


Googling site:http://www.daz3d.com will get you both old and new forums. You can answer almost any question that way.

(The more urgent your need, the more pages of links, you’ll have to click past, of course. But most of the time, it’s on the 1st page).


Poser is fine for that work. There’s a very nice manual. But the Poser forums are loaded with questions too, because no manual ever covers enough.

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Posted: 15 October 2012 06:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 529 ]
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ssgbryan - 15 October 2012 06:35 PM

As far as the kids, look at the content that is sold at DAZ - vendors here are really into impractical armor,  impractical spaceware, and hookerwear.

No, no. Customers drive what is made. Supply and demand. If people demanded AND BOUGHT practical stuff, then that’s what would have been made. But since that isn’t the case, that’s what’s in every store, not just DAZ. In fact, they’re mostly covered up more here than other places.

If you want normal, contemporary clothing, you will be shopping elsewhere.

No you’d be out of luck. Because that’s not what people are buying.

15 months after release, the genesis wardrobe is pretty bare as far as clothing you could wear to the office (or to the mall).

Well V4 has yet to have an outfit that shecould wear in an office without being sent home without pay. How long has she been out? wink

Why’s that? Because people aren’t going to buy it; so those types of outfits aren’t being made.

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Posted: 15 October 2012 08:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 530 ]
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If you are looking for tutorials on legacy Poser type rigging aka conformers, there are several sources.

One is Lady Littlefox’s tutorials that are available for purchase at RDNA.  RDNA’s annual half off sale is coming up and the bundle is well worth it.

If you can locate a copy, the original rigging bible is still:

The Secrets of Figure Creation by BL Render. 

BL Render sells here at DAZ as bloodsong.  The vendor’s eagle and antelope expansion packs are still some of the best around and the Wee Beasties are a load of fun.

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Posted: 15 October 2012 08:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 531 ]
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ssgbryan - 15 October 2012 06:35 PM

As far as the kids, look at the content that is sold at DAZ - vendors here are really into impractical armor,  impractical spaceware, and hookerwear.

No, no. Customers drive what is made. Supply and demand. If people demanded AND BOUGHT practical stuff, then that’s what would have been made. But since that isn’t the case, that’s what’s in every store, not just DAZ. In fact, they’re mostly covered up more here than other places.

If you want normal, contemporary clothing, you will be shopping elsewhere.

No you’d be out of luck. Because that’s not what people are buying.

15 months after release, the genesis wardrobe is pretty bare as far as clothing you could wear to the office (or to the mall).

Well V4 has yet to have an outfit that shecould wear in an office without being sent home without pay. How long has she been out? wink

Why’s that? Because people aren’t going to buy it; so those types of outfits aren’t being made.

Depends on what customers you have to what drives demand. I’ve had an online business selling digital good since 1997 which was very successful till the last few years but my point is that there are people out here who want family friendly items like Mom’s, church groups, day care centers and I could go on with an endless list.

Once upon a time people said that no one but professionals would use adobe photo shop and now come standard in many computers. And you would be surprised how many work at home Mom I know who uses 3d software. To make my point, once up on a time people said you have a yahoo groups and now it all about twitter and facebook. Things change and successful business stay on top of that. I love to at some point do a 3d tutors in Moms terms web site once I learn enough.

 

 

 

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Posted: 15 October 2012 08:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 532 ]
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T Jaiman - 15 October 2012 06:47 PM
KimberSue - 15 October 2012 06:37 PM

I know and that is not my issue.  For example, I have a client who need promotional items girls softball team and another client who wants artwork for a book she written and both require I make custom clothing which making the model is not a issue but (feeling like a pain in the butt on the forum) I have tried to figure out rigging, etc ... and all the tutors are for genesis or the links on the daz are broken. I sick of daz broken links on the help guide to anything other than genesis.

Yeah, a lot of the CCT info is on the forums, and tutorials are scattered on personal sites.

The old Artzone wikis, are here, if you’re looking for FST. (I’m not sure what it has). The forums and personal sites have a wealth of info on modeling and rigging, and there are tutorials for sale at every big brokerage.

The forum here, at Rendo, and RDNA are loaded with people who are anxious to talk about the older knowledge.

Good luck with your endeavors.


If you run Firefox, there are links in my sig, to automatically translate old-forum links, and load the pictures normally.

Someone else has a method for another browser (not IE), but I lost track…


Googling site:http://www.daz3d.com will get you both old and new forums. You can answer almost any question that way.

(The more urgent your need, the more pages of links, you’ll have to click past, of course. But most of the time, it’s on the 1st page).


Poser is fine for that work. There’s a very nice manual. But the Poser forums are loaded with questions too, because no manual ever covers enough.

Thanks for the links. I’m exhausted from having to fight to find information since they pulled the wonderful very informative old forum. The old forum was great to look up any topic and find answers plus few of the help center links work and picture are gone. I printed the 800+ page carrara manual and spend the weekend reading it and why I might buy the basic version but I personally feel even with all the great people on have helped me on the forum with questions, it is time to go look at other software. I’m exhausted and worn out from jumping to this bookmarked page to that bookmarked page trying to learn what I need to learn. I spend a ton of tutors and done with daz for now.

Plus I thought if I learned about daz that I could get my professional mom business owners group interested in the free software, lot of them own day care centers, children learning centers, shirt design shop, etc and get a bit of income going coming in from them if I sold clothing for those people but daz going for adult genesis and my groups (of 12 years) is going to want kids figure so I going to go in another direction. I got a 2 year plan layed out for this 3d software starting with custom renders and ending with my mom business owners.

Just venting…  Thanks for all the helpful people on this forum.



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Posted: 15 October 2012 08:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 533 ]
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icprncss - 15 October 2012 08:16 PM

If you are looking for tutorials on legacy Poser type rigging aka conformers, there are several sources.

One is Lady Littlefox’s tutorials that are available for purchase at RDNA.  RDNA’s annual half off sale is coming up and the bundle is well worth it.

If you can locate a copy, the original rigging bible is still:

The Secrets of Figure Creation by BL Render. 

BL Render sells here at DAZ as bloodsong.  The vendor’s eagle and antelope expansion packs are still some of the best around and the Wee Beasties are a load of fun.

Thank you, I looked at Lady Littlefox’s tutorials today and considering getting those. I’ll call my book store guy tomorrow and ask him if he can get me a copy of the book. I have a nook but nothing is better than a real books..  lol lol

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Posted: 15 October 2012 09:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 534 ]
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KimberSue - 15 October 2012 08:33 PM

Depends on what customers you have to what drives demand. I’ve had an online business selling digital good since 1997 which was very successful till the last few years but my point is that there are people out here who want family friendly items like Mom’s, church groups, day care centers and I could go on with an endless list.

Unfortunately, those people don’t buy the majority of content. This subject has been discussed over and over, and each time it boils down to what sells… and you can take a quick look at the most popular items on each store out there and you’ll see shots of big breasts and butts, and you’ll see how well practical clothes would sell in comparison.

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Posted: 15 October 2012 09:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 535 ]
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I don’t think that is totally the case.  I reckon why there are so many dresses for the boys, and short jackets that stop at the umbilicus rather than the hips is that they are easier to model and go with other clothes better without needing fit morphs etc.  You could sell 5 things that are hard to make or one thing that is quick and easy to make, to give you time to make more things that you sell 1 of instead of 5 of.
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Posted: 15 October 2012 09:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 536 ]
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esther - 15 October 2012 09:23 PM

I don’t think that is totally the case.  I reckon why there are so many dresses for the boys, and short jackets that stop at the umbilicus rather than the hips is that they are easier to model and go with other clothes better without needing fit morphs etc.  You could sell 5 things that are hard to make or one thing that is quick and easy to make, to give you time to make more things that you sell 1 of instead of 5 of.
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Funny thing about more elaborate clothing is that that is the harder it is to morph and harder it is to pose in a render. which means I can’t render as many images for a set in as short a time. So I find myself avoiding long dresses because I have a few and never have time to pose the frilly bits. Same goes for ornate decorations around the arms. So that steers my buying habits too. And for those who are pure hobbyist, the easier the better. My personal concern is laziness but efficiency. If I don’t create a few dozen renders in a set about of time I end up with pennies an hour.

Not saying you are wrong, I’m sure that is a small part of the equation, not a 5 to 1 scenario though. I’m sure a larger bit of it all has to do with the fact that people buy what catches their eyes. Even though you can use trans maps or simply remove pieces of clothing to make it more skimpwear centric a fully clothed set doesn’t grab your eye as much.

This is coming from a guy who sells skimpwear renders so my opinion is biased as they come.

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Posted: 15 October 2012 09:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 537 ]
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I use my renders for my graphic novel.  Quite a few people are making comics etc.  You just have to find the right clothes to fit the story for these sorts of renders.
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Posted: 15 October 2012 09:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 538 ]
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daz going for adult genesis

It really is not DAZ. PA’s make most of the content and most of them want to be able to pay the bills with their work just like everyone else does. In general if product X for a Vicky sells 100 copies then a similar product for Mike will sell around 50 and a product for a child will with a good deal of luck sell 25. A product that is only going to suit children is just not going to pay back the time that has gone into the product very often. BTW..my personal stats for Kid products is more like 10 or 15 percent of what I would have made on a product aimed at the victoria market.

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It’s very good of you to support those other figures then.
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ssgbryan - 15 October 2012 06:35 PM

15 months after release, the genesis wardrobe is pretty bare as far as clothing you could wear to the office (or to the mall).

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/clothing-accessories?cat=1111&compat_figures=28

56 out of the 254 Genesis clothing items listed (not counting add-on textures)

 

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