tsarist - 06 October 2012 12:12 PM
Kludge - 05 October 2012 03:34 AM
Today I was working with a scene that had elements from Gen1 to Gen4 and they all played together nicely. Genesis changed all that.
No, it didn’t. Don’t use Genesis. Simple as that. There is no requirement that anyone use any character, much the less a new one that doesn’t work well in other software.
Well, actually it does. Read my sentence again. All the generations played in the same sandbox happily together. Gen4 hair on Gen1 figures. Gen 2 era props wielded by Gen4 figures. I cannot load Gen5 characters or even Gen 5 hair into the scenes. Sounds like a change to me.
So? As I said, don’t use Genesis. Your sandbox still works as is. There is nothing saying you absolutely positively have to add it.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that, yes, Genesis is a whole new ballgame but no one has to play who doesn’t want to or can’t for whatever reason.
Kludge - 05 October 2012 03:34 AM
Recently, a freebie was released that could only be used in DS4. The freebie was a prop, so it just as well could have been made for Poser and Daz.
Could you refresh my memory on this because it’s not ringing any bells.
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/shadow-warrior-addons
Nice little set that could just as well been available for Poser and Genesis.
The Shadow Warriors for which it’s an add-on is a Genesis product so it makes sense that it would also be for Genesis.
Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM
Then Smith Micro introduced characters that didn’t work all that well in Studio. Dey Got Toiz We Doesn’t! An’ der’s Stuph out there for dem we can’t use! An’ da hue and cry went up all over DAZ-land and all was sadness and mortification. Not.
There was no sadness and mortification because Smith Micros figures just aren’t that popular. I know Poser users who ONLY use DAZ figures. You really aren’t comparing the same things.
Did you notice the “Not” at the end of that?
So there exist Poser users who only use DAZ products. That’s cool. How many are there who use a mix or only Poser figures? Yes, we know that V4 is the Crowning Achievement in all 3D-land and all other figures pale in her presence but not everyone sees her that way. I know several folks who love playing with Poser’s figures, especially the newer ones. And I know one individual who still uses Posette and Dork almost exclusively. She upgrades Poser all the time but stays with those two figures. I have no idea why.
Daz make THE figures.
DAZ is predominant with the figures but not everyone shares your belief. As I said, there are those who prefer to “keep it in the family” and use only Poser figures. Are they wrong in doing so or are they free to make their own choices?
Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM
So now comes a question. If having one character that doesn’t work with Poser while still releasing Poser-friendly products is “abandoning the user base”, then what would it be if they really did quit selling anything Poser-friendly?
I guess you never heard of the “slippery slope.” Today it’s one figure. Tomorrow it’s props. The next day it’s buildings. The next…
Of course I have. I also know that DAZ knows where their bread and butter comes from. If they went to a strictly Studio 4.5 (or later) and Genesis environment they’d not only lose the Poser contingent but most of the folks who use Studio, Bryce and Carrara which pretty well wipes out their customer base. They’re not in the business of going bankrupt.
Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM
The OP is quitting 3D art but if it’s that or just the PC or DAZ or whatever else comes to mind fits, then it’s it still comes down to the same thing. “Boohoo, I’m gonna take my marbles and go home.” Cool. Enjoy.
Sometimes it’s time to take your marbles and go home. If it’s not fun anymore, why play?
If it takes that little to make it not fun anymore, then why get in the game in the first place?
Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM
Edit to add: As a note, my preferred model is V4 and platform is DS3A. I have Poser 7 because it has features Studio doesn’t so using them together works out pretty nicely.
This statement makes no sense to me when looking at all your posts.
If V4 is your model of choice, and DS3A and Poser7 are your platforms (neither of which can use Genesis) then why are you fighting so hard for Genesis? That would be like a Pepsi user petitioning their local grocer to stop carrying Pepsi and start carrying Jarrito’s Cola.
I said preferred model, not exclusive one. Same with DS3A and P7. Why? Because I find them easier to deal with while I’m learning. I actually started with DS4 Beta and Genesis but dropped back and went with something more newbie friendly. Meanwhile, I’ve got Studio 4.5 and Genesis with all the bells and whistles to play with while I’m figuring out what I’m doing with the more mature and stable products. I could probably do with V4 or even the V4 morph for Genesis and DS4.5 but the DS4.x product isn’t stable yet and I’m not fond of the idea of no backward compatibility. So, for now, I keep the two separate.
At the same time, I see tremendous potential with Genesis as sort of an “omnimesh” that can be anything or anyone the modeller chooses. This will require a stable version of Studio that will support it and that hasn’t happened yet. Do I think one will happen? Not completely but one stable enough to be useable probably will.
Oh, and what’s Jarrito’s Cola?
Maybe you’re just having a little fun on the internet today.
That’s fine. Fun is good.
If that’s what you think, it’s cool. Doesn’t bother me a bit.
