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Posted: 05 October 2012 11:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 391 ]
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Kludge - 04 October 2012 06:58 PM

Poser has the assorted Mikis, GND, BND and Anastasia who don’t map all that well, if at all, to Studio.  Do you hear any DAZ people complaining?  Yet DAZ introduces ONE model that doesn’t map well to Poser and elements of the Poser community get all upset because there’s a toy they can’t play with nice and easily.

Daz users aren’t complaining about Miki, etc. because SM has never been a supplier of DS content. That’s the thing a lot of DS users can’t seem to grasp.

From what I can see, all of the earlier Poser characters can be imported into Studio which makes sense considering Studio was built to handle DAZ’s products which were for Poser.  I’m not sure why anyone would do that but there it is.  Bewildered Posette in Studio with a feather ... or some such.  (I know, it doesn’t flow as nicely as NVIATWAS but I couldn’t come up with anything better.) 

Then Smith Micro introduced characters that didn’t work all that well in Studio.  Dey Got Toiz We Doesn’t!  An’ der’s Stuph out there for dem we can’t use!  An’ da hue and cry went up all over DAZ-land and all was sadness and mortification.  Not.

But now DAZ has Genesis and the world is suddenly no longer spinning properly on its axis which has tumbled anyway and dogs & cats are living together and Lower Slobovia has discovered fire and all sorts of other horrific things are happening.  Never mind that DAZ is still being nice to Poser users since they are a strong part of the customer base.  We Haz Genesis and that’s all that counts.  Well, we haz toiz for Genesis too which are an obvious indicator that DAZ has abandoned Poser (et al) users.  Not.

So now comes a question.  If having one character that doesn’t work with Poser while still releasing Poser-friendly products is “abandoning the user base”, then what would it be if they really did quit selling anything Poser-friendly? 

If SM (and other Poser owners) had always been a place to find DS content, and then things drastically changed you all might be able to understand our frustration.

That’s just it, I don’t understand it since you still have the absolute Queen of all, V4.  You have characters DAZ users can’t use - popular ones like Alyson 2 and GND.  Genesis can be exported to Poser - albeit as a “Genesis Lite” version at present - as a CR2 and from all indications, something is being worked on to improve that exportability.  GOK what at present but something.  This doesn’t sound like “abandoning the user base” to me.  If it does to you then by all means follow your heart and if that means leaving DAZ for other sources then enjoy.  I know I use several sources not just DAZ as I’m sure many do.  I buy from who has what I need and if several do the one that matches my budget best wins. 

Kludge - 05 October 2012 03:34 AM

No argument with the last sentence.  But their problem isn’t with Vickie, it’s with Genesis.  Since Genesis doesn’t yet work well with other software, they want to quit.  That is being freakishly childish.

Do you mean quitting the hobby or quitting DAZ?

The OP is quitting 3D art but if it’s that or just the PC or DAZ or whatever else comes to mind fits, then it’s it still comes down to the same thing.  “Boohoo, I’m gonna take my marbles and go home.”  Cool.  Enjoy.

Edit to add: As a note, my preferred model is V4 and platform is DS3A.  I have Poser 7 because it has features Studio doesn’t so using them together works out pretty nicely.

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Posted: 06 October 2012 02:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 392 ]
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Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

You have characters DAZ users can’t use - popular ones like Alyson 2 and GND

you can use the GND on genesis,

 

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Posted: 06 October 2012 02:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 393 ]
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Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

You have characters DAZ users can’t use - popular ones like Alyson 2 and GND

you can use the GND on genesis,

Oh, now that’s cool.  Alyson 2 et al as well?

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Posted: 06 October 2012 02:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 394 ]
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Kludge - 06 October 2012 02:40 AM
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Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

You have characters DAZ users can’t use - popular ones like Alyson 2 and GND

you can use the GND on genesis,

Oh, now that’s cool.  Alyson 2 et al as well?

Alyson2, yes but not without alot of work. it is a poser figure and not based on V4, no direct morph switch with GenX.
you can import the figure in studio and weightmapping the figure.
but without a well good explaning manual, i wouldn’t start on that part.

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Posted: 06 October 2012 03:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 395 ]
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fixme12 - 06 October 2012 02:57 AM
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Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

You have characters DAZ users can’t use - popular ones like Alyson 2 and GND

you can use the GND on genesis,

Oh, now that’s cool.  Alyson 2 et al as well?

Alyson2, yes but not without alot of work. it is a poser figure and not based on V4, no direct morph switch with GenX.
you can import the figure in studio and weightmapping the figure.
but without a well good explaning manual, i wouldn’t start on that part.

Thanks.  I’ve seen a lot of stuff for GND and now I find I can port her to Genesis.  This widens my horizons greatly.  Mahalo!

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Posted: 06 October 2012 03:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 396 ]
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Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

You have characters DAZ users can’t use - popular ones like Alyson 2 and GND

you can use the GND on genesis,

Oh, now that’s cool.  Alyson 2 et al as well?

Alyson2, yes but not without alot of work. it is a poser figure and not based on V4, no direct morph switch with GenX.
you can import the figure in studio and weightmapping the figure.
but without a well good explaning manual, i wouldn’t start on that part.

Thanks.  I’ve seen a lot of stuff for GND and now I find I can port her to Genesis.  This widens my horizons greatly.  Mahalo!

We really don’t have seen the real power behind GENESIS today!

i would think about DS4.5 as some earlier but working/playable Beta-phase.
you can play with it now and daz is still working on a big list of features that are still in progress and we see soon in another studio version 5.
i still can’t think about a studio version without playing with genesis dynamic hair a dynamiccloth builder and animate genesis inside studio,  without export genesis to motionbuilder to do some animation.

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Posted: 06 October 2012 06:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 397 ]
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Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

You have characters DAZ users can’t use - popular ones like Alyson 2 and GND

you can use the GND on genesis,

Only the V4 version GND. The Alyson 2 GND, Anastasia (which the new content is for), is poser only.

 

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Kludge - 06 October 2012 03:11 AM

Thanks.  I’ve seen a lot of stuff for GND and now I find I can port her to Genesis.  This widens my horizons greatly.  Mahalo!

You’re getting the Alyson 2 (Anastasia) stuff confused with the V4. Alyson clothing can be converted to V4 with tools like Wardrobe Wizard. The V4 GND is a bit more difficult because it requires the GND shape. It was not made on the default V4, so you’ll need a tool to manually reshape it to V4 before it can be converted.

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When Genesis was introed I said it would be the wedge that finally separates Studio and Poser. Even though there was the on going app war between Poser and Studio most content worked or was made to work in both apps. Soon after DAZ introed genesis Poser released their own version of a weight mapped figure. Now it seems nether side is will to do what ever has to be done so apps can share content again. A marketing choice I’m sure.

I’m a carraraest, used to set back and watch the app war because I could use content in carrara as well as if not better then ether app. But it seems DAZ is bound and determined to turn carrara in to another flavor of studio. With each new build carrara becomes more like studio, right down to the “hide the tools you use most”  interface. As in 0pose and 0morph used to be buttons in the figures general menu, Now they are hidden in a sub menu in the animation. If you didn’t know where to look you wouldn’t be able to find them. And these are features I use a lot. More over since we are not marketing what us users want doesn’t count. If it did carrara wouldn’t be in the shape it’s in now; a year in the .5 beta and lagging way behind every other app of it’s type.

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And some would argue thats the look they want for Carrara. You can’t please everyone. Someone is always going to be ticked off at DAZ some odd reason.

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Posted: 06 October 2012 10:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 401 ]
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Frank0314 - 06 October 2012 10:38 AM

And some would argue thats the look they want for Carrara. You can’t please everyone. Someone is always going to be ticked off at DAZ some odd reason.

Yep!  I *LIKE* the way Carrara is progressing.  I’ve been a Carrara user since just before the release of 6.  Then I bought 6pro.  I was never a fan of the “room” interface.  However, Carrara’s other strengths outweighed the clunky interface.

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Posted: 06 October 2012 10:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 402 ]
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I don’t have the time to learn new software but I did like what I saw in Carrara when I played the one day.

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Posted: 06 October 2012 11:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 403 ]
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ManStan - 06 October 2012 06:56 AM

I’m a carraraest, used to set back and watch the app war because I could use content in carrara as well as if not better then ether app. But it seems DAZ is bound and determined to turn carrara in to another flavor of studio. With each new build carrara becomes more like studio, right down to the “hide the tools you use most”  interface. As in 0pose and .


Yea, being a Carraraest had its advantages. The changing interface is not changing in a desirable way.
If I wanted to use DS more I would.
Maybe they’ll stop before they go too far.

 

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Posted: 06 October 2012 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 404 ]
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Kludge - 05 October 2012 03:34 AM

Today I was working with a scene that had elements from Gen1 to Gen4 and they all played together nicely. Genesis changed all that.

No, it didn’t.  Don’t use Genesis.  Simple as that.  There is no requirement that anyone use any character, much the less a new one that doesn’t work well in other software.

 

Well, actually it does. Read my sentence again. All the generations played in the same sandbox happily together. Gen4 hair on Gen1 figures. Gen 2 era props wielded by Gen4 figures. I cannot load Gen5 characters or even Gen 5 hair into the scenes. Sounds like a change to me.

Kludge - 05 October 2012 03:34 AM

Recently, a freebie was released that could only be used in DS4. The freebie was a prop, so it just as well could have been made for Poser and Daz.

Could you refresh my memory on this because it’s not ringing any bells.

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/shadow-warrior-addons
Nice little set that could just as well been available for Poser and Genesis.

 

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Faerydae - 05 October 2012 11:59 AM

Then Smith Micro introduced characters that didn’t work all that well in Studio.  Dey Got Toiz We Doesn’t!  An’ der’s Stuph out there for dem we can’t use!  An’ da hue and cry went up all over DAZ-land and all was sadness and mortification.  Not.


There was no sadness and mortification because Smith Micros figures just aren’t that popular. I know Poser users who ONLY use DAZ figures. You really aren’t comparing the same things.
Daz make THE figures.

Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

So now comes a question.  If having one character that doesn’t work with Poser while still releasing Poser-friendly products is “abandoning the user base”, then what would it be if they really did quit selling anything Poser-friendly?


I guess you never heard of the “slippery slope.” Today it’s one figure. Tomorrow it’s props. The next day it’s buildings. The next…

Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

The OP is quitting 3D art but if it’s that or just the PC or DAZ or whatever else comes to mind fits, then it’s it still comes down to the same thing.  “Boohoo, I’m gonna take my marbles and go home.”  Cool.  Enjoy.


Sometimes it’s time to take your marbles and go home. If it’s not fun anymore, why play?

Kludge - 05 October 2012 11:39 PM

Edit to add: As a note, my preferred model is V4 and platform is DS3A.  I have Poser 7 because it has features Studio doesn’t so using them together works out pretty nicely.


This statement makes no sense to me when looking at all your posts.
If V4 is your model of choice, and DS3A and Poser7 are your platforms (neither of which can use Genesis) then why are you fighting so hard for Genesis?
That would be like a Pepsi user petitioning their local grocer to stop carrying Pepsi and start carrying Jarrito’s Cola.

 

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Posted: 06 October 2012 01:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 405 ]
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I have my own issues with Daz…

In way of explanation : my first Poser Render!

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