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Posted: 02 October 2012 10:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 346 ]
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LeatherGryphon - 02 October 2012 04:54 PM

I said nothing about it being bad other than the tongue-in-cheek idea of forbidding plants in salad and eating granite cookies.

I do hope you realize that if we don’t eat some other form of life we will stop being a form of life?  Well, I guess we could eat bacteria burgers.  Or we could all eat jello.  No, wait…, jello is made from cattle bones.  8-o

Nope, it’s down to water and granite cookies.

And for the record I feel very much that the environment is very important and we shouldn’t abuse animals but the devil is in the details.  Just what is the definition of “abuse”.

Here I quit because this could get very political.

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Posted: 03 October 2012 12:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 347 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 02 October 2012 12:38 AM

...if Daz ever followed through on their promises, S3A would be a stable application instead of the broken one many of us paid our hard earned zlotys for.

DAZ Studio 3A was perfectly stable for me and thousands of others. Just because it’s unstable on your computer doesn’t mean it’s broken or unstable for the vast majority.


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Posted: 03 October 2012 06:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 348 ]
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LeatherGryphon - 02 October 2012 04:54 PM

I said nothing about it being bad other than the tongue-in-cheek idea of forbidding plants in salad and eating granite cookies.

I do hope you realize that if we don’t eat some other form of life we will stop being a form of life?  Well, I guess we could eat bacteria burgers.  Or we could all eat jello.  No, wait…, jello is made from cattle bones.  8-o

Nope, it’s down to water and granite cookies.

And for the record I feel very much that the environment is very important and we shouldn’t abuse animals but the devil is in the details.  Just what is the definition of “abuse”.

Here I quit because this could get very political.

...I’m still waiting for protozoa, plankton, and amoebic rights. cheese

I know I said I’d quit but I can’t resist the temptation for another absurdity.

Since plants are the only living things on Earth that can survive without eating other living (or once living) entities.  Should we be concerned that some day we animals will need to worry about intelligent plants herding us into concentration camps?  Should I start negotiating a treaty with my petunias?

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Posted: 03 October 2012 08:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 349 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 02 October 2012 12:38 AM

...if Daz ever followed through on their promises, S3A would be a stable application instead of the broken one many of us paid our hard earned zlotys for.

DAZ Studio 3A was perfectly stable for me and thousands of others. Just because it’s unstable on your computer doesn’t mean it’s broken or unstable for the vast majority.


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...stable in 64 bit when one can throw a lot more RAM at rendering, using the Figure Mixer, or Shader Mixer/Baker.

If the memory management, memory leak, and resulting file bloat issues were dealt with as they were supposed to be before Daz moved on to 4.x, I wouldn’t be experiencing a lot of the issues I do.

Interesting that my old system can handle rendering in Bryce using IBL and volumetrics (yeah, it takes an age and a half to do so), or Poser Pro 2010 using Raytracing and AO without crashing.  Even with the ray depth set to “1” in S3A, using ray tracing is very hit and miss not much less trying to render with an IBL lighting setup like UE.

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Posted: 03 October 2012 08:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 350 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 02 October 2012 12:38 AM

...if Daz ever followed through on their promises, S3A would be a stable application instead of the broken one many of us paid our hard earned zlotys for.

DAZ Studio 3A was perfectly stable for me and thousands of others. Just because it’s unstable on your computer doesn’t mean it’s broken or unstable for the vast majority.


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...stable in 64 bit when one can throw a lot more RAM at rendering, using the Figure Mixer, or Shader Mixer/Baker.

DS3A-32bit was stable for me on a 32-bit laptop with 2GB RAM and an OpenGL 1.4 onboard graphics chip.

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Posted: 03 October 2012 10:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 351 ]
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...so then why am I having so much trouble trying to get scenes to render even with just basic shadow mapping as both your old and my system are pretty much similar (save for the fact I have a total of 4GB so that the OS doesn’t compete for memory during the render process)?

I remove parts of large sets that don’t affect the scene and use the “Clear Undo Stack” script to remove unused shaders.  I don’t use Raytracing, I don’t use any reflectivity, SSS, AO, IBL, or volumetrics.  I do my best to limit use of transparency and transmaps as much as possible and rarely render in sizes bigger than 1024 x 768.  I switch the viewport to wireframe view before rendering, always render to a file, and never render while online or performing other processes.

I start out fine, with 2G available for the app., yet, scene files still rapidly bloat to the point I run out of avialable memory.  To me this says “memory leak”.

I have been using 3.1.2.32 which is the last and supposedly most stable version of 3A, yet my render success to crash ratio has been on the order of 25%:75%.

4/4.5 runs like crap as it demands more of system resources than any of the earlier versions, so that isn’t a viable option.

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Posted: 04 October 2012 03:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 352 ]
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Just for the record, Kyoto Kid is not the only person to have stability problems with DS3A in 32 bit environments.  Daz3D was aware of them, and there were countless posts in the old forums and promises to fix not just stability issues, but other features in DS3A that never worked properly, as well as to finish a complete manual for the customers.  All of these were abandoned when Daz went to version 4, and everyone who complained was jumped on ande accused of Daz-Bashing, and met with constant replies like “I’m not having those problems, so it must be YOUR computer”.

Nice to see it’s continuing.

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Posted: 04 October 2012 07:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 353 ]
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KageRyu - 04 October 2012 03:27 AM

Just for the record, Kyoto Kid is not the only person to have stability problems with DS3A in 32 bit environments.  Daz3D was aware of them, and there were countless posts in the old forums and promises to fix not just stability issues, but other features in DS3A that never worked properly, as well as to finish a complete manual for the customers.  All of these were abandoned when Daz went to version 4, and everyone who complained was jumped on ande accused of Daz-Bashing, and met with constant replies like “I’m not having those problems, so it must be YOUR computer”.

Nice to see it’s continuing.

So people aren’t allowed to say it did work for them? Someone posts a one line reply sharing their experience and you dig up old war stories.

Seems like you’re the one who wants it to continue.

 

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Posted: 04 October 2012 07:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 354 ]
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KageRyu - 04 October 2012 03:27 AM

Just for the record, Kyoto Kid is not the only person to have stability problems with DS3A in 32 bit environments.  Daz3D was aware of them, and there were countless posts in the old forums and promises to fix not just stability issues, but other features in DS3A that never worked properly, as well as to finish a complete manual for the customers.  All of these were abandoned when Daz went to version 4, and everyone who complained was jumped on ande accused of Daz-Bashing, and met with constant replies like “I’m not having those problems, so it must be YOUR computer”.

Nice to see it’s continuing.

Ummm… they DID fix those problems.  They just called it DS4.

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Posted: 04 October 2012 07:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 355 ]
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ManStan - 01 October 2012 06:54 AM

Maybe I have been here too long, but I don’t buy anything DAZ tells me about the possible future of any app. If DAZ actually followed through we would have optitex dynamic clothing in carrara and a dynamic clothing creation app. DAZ may want to port genesis and the genesis system over to other apps to broaden it’s customer base, but like the pie in the sky dynamic clothing creator, I don’t see it happening. DAZ is having issues enough getting genesis to work in it’s own apps.


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Actually, I’m pretty surprised we don’t have our own Dynamic clothing specifically for Carrara.
We have our own hair and I have been using it to great effect.

Easy enough, DAZ hasn’t found anyone to put it in for them. We may have dynamic hair in carrara, but that wasn’t DAZ’s doing. Like the bullet physics “DAZ didn’t build that”. wink More over most of the new features in carrara are for handling DAZ content.

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Posted: 04 October 2012 09:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 356 ]
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KageRyu - 04 October 2012 03:27 AM

All of these were abandoned when Daz went to version 4, and everyone who complained was jumped on ande accused of Daz-Bashing, and met with constant replies like “I’m not having those problems, so it must be YOUR computer.


I don’t doubt you. If you say they promised, then I believe you.


I can see both points of view. I can understand your frustration. And your feeling that you were being ignored in the stampede. Or that you perceived yourself as being ridiculed.


But it’s somewhat understandable that people would jump to conclusions, be skeptical, or react emotionally.

The ones I saw were usually worded as “They shouldn’t have put out DS4, until they fixed DS3”, those statements were surrounded with Genesis-bashing and “Daz is the apex of Evil”. People who were enthusiastic about DS4 would be strongly inclined to lump it all together. Since all 3 seemed to be saying “DS4 shouldn’t have been created - period..” (and the other two adamantly were saying that).

Basically, the only time to complain about it, was the worst time to complain about it.


I doubt that many people knew of those promises, or the bugs. (I didn’t see promises, myself, but I have a vauge memory of bugs).
Understand, that once people are generally satisfied, they tend to quit haunting the bug report threads.

In my case, DS3A crashed every few minutes. Changing graphics drivers was futile. There was no promise of a fix - it was quite clear that I could just use something else, and thus not be there to talk about it. I could get a refund for DS3A (which I got for $1.88). Or put it on my next computer (Which I thought was in the immediate future, so…). Or get a different card. This gave me the opposite reason to bypass bug threads. Those bugs were out of my reach.


Also, there have been many bogus claims about promises, for every sort of thing. And a thousand times as many unsubstantiated ones.How many times have I seen “And here’s a link”? I’d say maybe 5 times. It’s easy to be skeptical.


And there’s the sense of “What’s done is done” “It’s over, buddy”.

In truth, every app maker does this, so what else can be said. Because nobody has been able to change the minds of any of them, AFIK.


The app maker makes no distinction between ver. 3 and ver 58 LSMFT, when it comes to “We will fix that.”. Contrarily, they will make that distinction when it comes to upgrade options, and level of support. wink

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Posted: 04 October 2012 02:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 357 ]
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KageRyu - 04 October 2012 03:27 AM

Just for the record, Kyoto Kid is not the only person to have stability problems with DS3A in 32 bit environments.  Daz3D was aware of them, and there were countless posts in the old forums and promises to fix not just stability issues, but other features in DS3A that never worked properly, as well as to finish a complete manual for the customers.  All of these were abandoned when Daz went to version 4, and everyone who complained was jumped on ande accused of Daz-Bashing, and met with constant replies like “I’m not having those problems, so it must be YOUR computer”.

Nice to see it’s continuing.

I wasn’t claiming that there weren’t people who had problems.  I was responding to KK’s implication that it was only stable for people with powerful computers.

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Posted: 04 October 2012 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 358 ]
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KageRyu - 04 October 2012 03:27 AM

Just for the record, Kyoto Kid is not the only person to have stability problems with DS3A in 32 bit environments.  Daz3D was aware of them, and there were countless posts in the old forums and promises to fix not just stability issues, but other features in DS3A that never worked properly, as well as to finish a complete manual for the customers.  All of these were abandoned when Daz went to version 4, and everyone who complained was jumped on ande accused of Daz-Bashing, and met with constant replies like “I’m not having those problems, so it must be YOUR computer”.

Nice to see it’s continuing.

Ummm… they DID fix those problems.  They just called it DS4.

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Posted: 04 October 2012 04:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 359 ]
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KageRyu - 04 October 2012 03:27 AM

Just for the record, Kyoto Kid is not the only person to have stability problems with DS3A in 32 bit environments.  Daz3D was aware of them, and there were countless posts in the old forums and promises to fix not just stability issues, but other features in DS3A that never worked properly, as well as to finish a complete manual for the customers.  All of these were abandoned when Daz went to version 4, and everyone who complained was jumped on ande accused of Daz-Bashing, and met with constant replies like “I’m not having those problems, so it must be YOUR computer”.

Nice to see it’s continuing.

Ummm… they DID fix those problems.  They just called it DS4.

Kendall

Yep:)

Some of the issues they didn’t fix are still present in 4.5 and they even created some new ones to make up for the ones that they did fix just to make sure people are paying attention but would that make people leave daz?  I’ve seen a few post where people have dropped ds due to instability so I suppose that counts as leaving daz too.

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Posted: 04 October 2012 05:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 360 ]
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KageRyu - 04 October 2012 03:27 AM

Just for the record, Kyoto Kid is not the only person to have stability problems with DS3A in 32 bit environments.  Daz3D was aware of them, and there were countless posts in the old forums and promises to fix not just stability issues, but other features in DS3A that never worked properly, as well as to finish a complete manual for the customers.  All of these were abandoned when Daz went to version 4, and everyone who complained was jumped on ande accused of Daz-Bashing, and met with constant replies like “I’m not having those problems, so it must be YOUR computer”.

Nice to see it’s continuing.

So people aren’t allowed to say it did work for them? Someone posts a one line reply sharing their experience and you dig up old war stories.

Seems like you’re the one who wants it to continue.

Several posts in this thread say quite specificly that no one else is reporting them - that’s not me just diggin up old war stories.

And this statement of yours proves my point.

@Kendall - going to a new version is not fixing the bugs in the version that was promised, especially when the newer version was even buggier for many people, and completely unusable by other who were happy with DS3 and just wanted the bug fixes promised.

But whatever…same old storry.  Someone has issues and those without are quick to jump on them - and then also quick to complain they are unfairly targeted when the past pattern of said same behavior is brought up. pfft.

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