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Posted: 27 September 2012 08:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 316 ]
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adzan - 27 September 2012 07:42 AM

Be nice if Daz hurry up and tell us what’s supposed to be happening for the poser users before we are bored to death by more arguing about how Genesis the not figure and Ds 4.5 are so awesome while still more users leave the PC and desert daz for rendoDNA

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Though for the issue of people leaving… From things vendors saying, Genesis is selling well. That suggests is that weightmapping brought in a lot of new users (primarily to Daz). In turn, Daz has sent a lot of customers to other brokers. So everyone seems to be making money.

Of course, from our point of view, losing a lot of people takes a lot out of the forum.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 08:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 317 ]
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T Jaiman - 27 September 2012 07:54 AM
ManStan - 27 September 2012 06:29 AM

shadowhawk1 what blondie9999 say here “So—Genesis, by itself, is just another figure.  However, thanks to the features and functions of DS 4, Genesis is far more versatile than the previous Poser-based figures ever were.”

Is the same thing I am saying here “Genesis is a figure, DS4 is a system. The reason genesis doesn’t work in poser is because poser doesn’t have the system for handling the genesis figure. Genesis in and of it’s self is simply a weight mapped figure. Nothing more.”

So how is that disagreeing with her?

Or put another way, it ain’t Genesis unless the weightmapped figure has the system to make it work. The system could be built-in, or provided by a plugin.

The weightmapped figure is what we play with, but it’s not Genesis by itself.

That figure can be exported, and Poser will give it a weightmap, but it no longer does the Genesis-thing.

But, for confusion’s sake, we call it exporting Genesis into Poser, when we’re merely exporting one of it’s personalities.[/size]


This issue bores me… [/Roman-emperor-voice] smile

I vote we quit playing this wordgame, so everyone can get on with many other topics of the thread.

By the way… what makes this an issue? Just asking.

Prissily what I am saying. To me Genesis is the figure, studio 4 is the system.  Genesis is nothing more then a weight mapped figure till you put it in studio, much like a CD is just a plastic disk till you put it in a CD player. And like any other weight mapped figure only works in the app it was made in; with out converting.

The issue is just different people have different precepts of just what genesis is.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 318 ]
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T Jaiman - 25 September 2012 11:06 AM
KickAir 8P - 25 September 2012 10:56 AM
Kerwin - 25 September 2012 10:31 AM

. . . using Genesis in Poser is from August 2011 where DAZ_Rand wrote on DAZ’s forums . . .

Which reminds me (not to derail, but), what happened to DAZ_Rand?  I don’t think he’s posted in months,


I was wondering about that, too.

KickAir 8P - 25 September 2012 10:56 AM

but it’s hard to tell because his profile won’t come up.  oh oh


Makes you wonder if he quit the place, and asked to have his profile removed. I would’ve bugged out, long ago, if I’d had all those slings and arrows aimed at me. Folks would go out of their way to misinterpret him and to take offense***. (Tho’ he did have some of that ol’ Daz ambiguosity, from time to time - I once misinterpreted him… [missing blush emoticon here]).

Come to think of it, did he ever show up at the new forum at all? Maybe he just took the opportunity to put this behind him.

(And would you have wanted to deal with all the $___ flying around here when the new forum sputtered online, and the Store was a wreck? Given that he was the one people picked on).


Or perhaps he got busier with other things.

*** It was a little rough here. But it was fierce over at Rendo.

Say, what was his handle over at Rendo’s forums? I forget

Not only is his profile gone, his PA item has also been removed from the store: http://www.daz3d.com/shop/daz_rand (it was some sort of merchant resource involving Reby Sky, I believe). Until I hear otherwise, I’ll assume that he’s no longer with the company. A shame…I enjoyed his posts and renders. :(

He had posted on the new forum, months ago: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/601/

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Posted: 27 September 2012 10:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 319 ]
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Scott-Livingston - 27 September 2012 10:33 AM
T Jaiman - 25 September 2012 11:06 AM
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Kerwin - 25 September 2012 10:31 AM

. . . using Genesis in Poser is from August 2011 where DAZ_Rand wrote on DAZ’s forums . . .

Which reminds me (not to derail, but), what happened to DAZ_Rand?  I don’t think he’s posted in months,


I was wondering about that, too.

KickAir 8P - 25 September 2012 10:56 AM

but it’s hard to tell because his profile won’t come up.  oh oh


Makes you wonder if he quit the place, and asked to have his profile removed. I would’ve bugged out, long ago, if I’d had all those slings and arrows aimed at me. Folks would go out of their way to misinterpret him and to take offense***. (Tho’ he did have some of that ol’ Daz ambiguosity, from time to time - I once misinterpreted him… [missing blush emoticon here]).

Come to think of it, did he ever show up at the new forum at all? Maybe he just took the opportunity to put this behind him.

(And would you have wanted to deal with all the $___ flying around here when the new forum sputtered online, and the Store was a wreck? Given that he was the one people picked on).


Or perhaps he got busier with other things.

*** It was a little rough here. But it was fierce over at Rendo.

Say, what was his handle over at Rendo’s forums? I forget

Not only is his profile gone, his PA item has also been removed from the store: http://www.daz3d.com/shop/daz_rand (it was some sort of merchant resource involving Reby Sky, I believe). Until I hear otherwise, I’ll assume that he’s no longer with the company. A shame…I enjoyed his posts and renders. :(

He had posted on the new forum, months ago: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/601/

I might be wrong but I thought he changed is name to his full name Randal… now I am drawing a blank on his last name.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 11:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 320 ]
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shadowhawk1 - 27 September 2012 10:49 AM

I might be wrong but I thought he changed is name to his full name Randal… now I am drawing a blank on his last name.

Randal Lloyd, according to his store.

edit: I’m not getting anywhere with advanced search…

edit:Google found it:
www.daz3d.com/forums/member_search/7283/

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Posted: 27 September 2012 11:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 321 ]
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Isikol - 20 August 2012 03:15 PM

What on earth did you just said my good Admin? :O !????!

I wish I was at liberty to say more, but you will have to read into my post above. Sorry many more details will be coming…

 

Could it be???

It has to be.

What else could it be?

The Millennium Cow at last!!!

YAY!

I’m voting on unflatable millennium cow myself. smile

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Posted: 27 September 2012 12:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 322 ]
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Scott-Livingston - 27 September 2012 10:33 AM
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Kerwin - 25 September 2012 10:31 AM

. . . using Genesis in Poser is from August 2011 where DAZ_Rand wrote on DAZ’s forums . . .

Which reminds me (not to derail, but), what happened to DAZ_Rand?  I don’t think he’s posted in months,


I was wondering about that, too.

KickAir 8P - 25 September 2012 10:56 AM

but it’s hard to tell because his profile won’t come up.  oh oh


Makes you wonder if he quit the place, and asked to have his profile removed. I would’ve bugged out, long ago, if I’d had all those slings and arrows aimed at me. Folks would go out of their way to misinterpret him and to take offense***. (Tho’ he did have some of that ol’ Daz ambiguosity, from time to time - I once misinterpreted him… [missing blush emoticon here]).

Come to think of it, did he ever show up at the new forum at all? Maybe he just took the opportunity to put this behind him.

(And would you have wanted to deal with all the $___ flying around here when the new forum sputtered online, and the Store was a wreck? Given that he was the one people picked on).


Or perhaps he got busier with other things.

*** It was a little rough here. But it was fierce over at Rendo.

Say, what was his handle over at Rendo’s forums? I forget

Not only is his profile gone, his PA item has also been removed from the store: http://www.daz3d.com/shop/daz_rand (it was some sort of merchant resource involving Reby Sky, I believe). Until I hear otherwise, I’ll assume that he’s no longer with the company. A shame…I enjoyed his posts and renders. :(

He had posted on the new forum, months ago: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/601/

I guess he’s done with it. I’m gonna miss him.

Perhaps we’ll see him sometime, under what seems to be his real name, here (below).


Looks like he last posted here in May, and at Rendo in June.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/search.php?cache_id=532984&resort=post_date

One contentious thread, that I remember, was apparently deleted.

His Rendo store is empty, and the profile is empty.

Google finds Randall Lloyd Photography member, here (no posts).

That spelling seems to be him, and Google turns up some more sites, but no recent posts.

If I kept looking, I might find that he’s deeply involved in something, but I’m starting to feel like a stalker. smile

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Posted: 27 September 2012 04:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 323 ]
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At one time I knew a lot of people at DAZ. Emailed back and forth with Chris a few times, Was in the know most of the time; wasn’t my place to say anything. But now I’m not sure I know any one at DAZ any more. 

I liked DAZ_Rand, he’d argue with me. That proved his commitment to me.

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Posted: 28 September 2012 01:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 324 ]
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shadowhawk1 - 25 September 2012 07:01 AM

Blondie and Richard just explained, Rather well I might add, about Genesis, DS4 and poser and how they work and why Genesis won’t work in Poser. I am pretty much a layman when it comes to what they know but they explained it well enough so that even I understood it, what are you not catching?

Hi Shadowhawk,

To shed a small amount of light on the situation, Blondie & Richard explained, quite well, the current narrative from our DAZ3d, which might by summarized as “Genesis is a system that is somewhat inseparable from the features in DS4 and later.”  There was however, a narrative *before* this one when DS4 was first launched that there would be a CR2 exporter which would support a workflow along the lines of “Open up DS4, Dial-up Anubis, Export, Use Anubis.”  DAZ somewhat grumpily abandoned this earlier narrative last falls on the grounds that the Smith Micro team did not implement features they were expecting.  The new narrative of the inseparability of Genesis and DazStudio has evolved after that time.

So Poser users have been confronted by two narratives from DAZ:

  1) Genesis is a multiplatform offering.  Indeed some of the original hype around Genesis would be it was designed be use in other systems beyond DAZ Studio.  Dan Farr (DAZ Founder) mentioned several times in public forums that DAZ was working with other system makers to bring Genesis to those platforms.  To date, DS4 and later is the sole platform for Genesis  NOT TRUE.
See how RealLusion has an agreement to resell DAZ products AND ALLOW GENESIS Products to be IMPORTED, Animated, Rendered MANIPULATED and EXPORTED into Other 3D applications.  Equipped with a DAZ Game license, the options for 3D pipeline and rendering extensiblity for Genisis based products is nearly endless.

REF: DAZ Geniss Content in IC: http://www.reallusion.com/creative/creative_daztutorial.aspx

  2) Genesis is inseparable from the DAZ Studio platform; this is largely due to the advanced technical requirements of the platform (subdivision, smoothng modifier, weightmaps, etc.)  Some of these represent greater barriers than others to implementing Genesis in a 3rd party system.

These two positions are somewhat incompatible, and the change in narrative induces some skepticism on the part Poser users. The dropped hints about poser users being in heaven suggest that a technical solution may be in the works.  I think some of us are waiting for DAZ to state clearly their position for the future.

-K

(The quote in terms of using Genesis in Poser is from August 2011 where DAZ_Rand wrote on DAZ’s forums; “We have also done ‘Our Part’ by having a CR2 exporter that will be free to everyone. This will allow limited “Baked” Genesis forms in Poser… so dial up Anubis, export, open in poser… use Anubis.”)

 


Lets not get hung over words and lose sight of tier stated objectives.  Now where is that super duper mass content installer they were promising us.  Keeping my runtimes up to date is a nightmare!

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Posted: 28 September 2012 01:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 325 ]
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[snip]
See how RealLusion has an agreement to resell DAZ products AND ALLOW GENESIS Products to be IMPORTED, Animated, Rendered MANIPULATED and EXPORTED into Other 3D applications.  Equipped with a DAZ Game license, the options for 3D pipeline and rendering extensiblity for Genisis based products is nearly endless.

REF: DAZ Geniss Content in IC:

http://www.reallusion.com/creative/creative_daztutorial.aspx

Cool! Thanks for finding that.

[snip]


Now where is that super duper mass content installer they were promising us.  Keeping my runtimes up to date is a nightmare!

Probably waiting for everything to go thru the conversion to zip… long after we’ve downloaded updates for half the store.confused

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Posted: 28 September 2012 09:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 326 ]
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...maintaining one’s runtime is a thankless task agreed, but after seeing the mess the .exe installers have made to my runtime structure (especially the Daz content folder) I have just a few reservations about using any kind of automated batch install routine.

...I just feel that I’s end up spending more time fixing errors compared to than what it would take installing each individual item correctly in the first place.

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Posted: 01 October 2012 01:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 327 ]
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Cyn Art - 20 September 2012 07:06 AM

. . .  For all I know there’s a lighter stand-alone where the Genesis model can be loaded, adjusted and then saved out as a .cr2 or .obj.  (Remember, I know nothing about anything, so how would I even know if that’s possible or not?) 
. . .


LoL   Whadaya know.  My guess might not have been too far off. 
  Is this the surprise?  smile    \/ \/ \/ 

Genesis to Poser CR2
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-to-poser-cr2

Even if it’s not the surprise,
Yay, Cliff Bowman!  LOL 
Bet you’ve brought some smiles! 

 

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Posted: 01 October 2012 03:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 328 ]
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Cyn Art - 20 September 2012 07:06 AM

. . .  For all I know there’s a lighter stand-alone where the Genesis model can be loaded, adjusted and then saved out as a .cr2 or .obj.  (Remember, I know nothing about anything, so how would I even know if that’s possible or not?) 
. . .


LoL   Whadaya know.  My guess might not have been too far off. 
  Is this the surprise?  smile    \/ \/ \/ 

Genesis to Poser CR2
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-to-poser-cr2

Even if it’s not the surprise,
Yay, Cliff Bowman!  LOL 
Bet you’ve brought some smiles! 

 

Yeah, yeah ...

But will it convert 3DU"s Toon Cow?

Who cares about genocide?  It’s only a lousy human figure.  We gots too many humans already!

3DU"s Toon Cow (and possibly other non-human figures from them & other vendors) was inexplicably released as duf (dsf?) only and useless to many people!  If that toy can convert things other than stupid humans, it would be a great thing.

Otherwise it’s just more species-ism from daz!

 

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Posted: 01 October 2012 04:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 329 ]
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Yeah, there really should be a converter for duf, and whatever else might need to be converted.


Hey, while you’re here, would you like to see a weightmapped cow? (Daz, Poser or one for each).

I know I would.

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Posted: 01 October 2012 05:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 330 ]
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Cyn Art - 20 September 2012 07:06 AM

. . .  For all I know there’s a lighter stand-alone where the Genesis model can be loaded, adjusted and then saved out as a .cr2 or .obj.  (Remember, I know nothing about anything, so how would I even know if that’s possible or not?) 
. . .


LoL   Whadaya know.  My guess might not have been too far off. 
  Is this the surprise?  smile    \/ \/ \/ 

Genesis to Poser CR2
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-to-poser-cr2

Even if it’s not the surprise,
Yay, Cliff Bowman!  LOL 
Bet you’ve brought some smiles! 

 


Oh, heck.  That’s not the surprise.  raspberry  
I just found this thread tonight from back in JUNE!  LoLoL
It’s Cliff Bowman’s “Genesis to Poser .CR2 Competition”
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/2195/

shut eye  I really gotta keep up with this stuff more.  LoL  

 

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