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Posted: 20 September 2012 08:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 181 ]
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Returning to the OP, don’t feel bad about forgetting about DAZ, I did that already.  I use Poser, Studio in any version is only confusion to me, and I prefer not to be confused.  Genesis, maybe okay, maybe not, and it doesn’t matter.  I’ve gotten away from conforming for the most part, using dynamic, and Studio can’t handle dynamic that doesn’t come from their sole supplier.  Support for the gen 4 hasn’t died completely, but finding something I can use is an exercise in frustration.  Skankwear sells, something real people would actually wear doesn’t.  Fantasy wear, ho-hum.  Tons of it, none of which I want to use.  For Genesis, forget it in my case, nothing there worth looking at because it’s not what I want, and probably will never be..

Tons of money in the gen 3 and 4 figures already, dump more into Genesis, no, I’m not made of money.  If, as has been stated, Genesis can be used in Poser, still a no sale, Not going to start the money chase again.

And the number of postings by me says how much of interest to me is in the forums lately.  I’m not having any particular problems with PP2012, it seems stable and reliable.  DS 4.5, downloaded, not installed, and several threads tell me not to waste the time.  Sharecg and Poserworld so far are taking care of most of my needs.

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Posted: 20 September 2012 11:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 182 ]
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T Jaiman - 20 September 2012 07:20 AM

First: *SYMPATHIES*.

My old computer runs DS|4, but it’s not going to manage much serious work. And my upgrade hopes look pretty disappointing, right now.

I’m ignorant of programming as well, but, yeah, a DS3 plugin seems implausible, to me. And DS3 probably wouldn’t run for you, with it.


You were asking a reasonable question. Things get misinterpreted sometimes. There’s still been some harshness, here and there. And not long ago there were waves of horse pucky to debunk, that stuff is still fresh in folk’s minds. Of course it might still be going full-blast, in other forums…

Cyn Art - 20 September 2012 07:06 AM

Also, I sure hope this “badmouthing” thing of the new software isn’t directed at me.  I have NEVER badmouthed Genesis or DS4.  I’ve not used either, so how would I know anything about them to even give an opinion anyway.  I’ve already bought one Gen item because I liked it so much and have gotten all the Gen freebies in anticipation for “some day”.  I wouldn’t say that’s “badmouthing” so I’m taking this as a general remark not having anything to do with me.


Nah, he wasn’t pointing fingers.  I’ve seen examples of what he meant.

Thanks much for the input, Jaiman.  You’re right,  DS3 would probably have a problem for me with any attempt.  I have a hard enough time now.  I think that’s probably my real frustration, that any fixes for it went straight into the DS4 upgrade if there were any, and I’m not able to go into that.

Also, thanks for the explanation about recent events.  I was thinking it appeared a little touchy in here.  lol

 

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Posted: 20 September 2012 11:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 183 ]
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Genesis coming to Poser is the best news I’ve had all year. I’d almost considered bypassing Daz completely as I’ve been using Poser for years and have no plans or time to learn a new program..but I can think of a TON of genesis products I’d purchase if I could use them. Some of my favourite artists are here and I really miss their stuff.

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Posted: 20 September 2012 11:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 184 ]
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Doric - 20 September 2012 08:52 AM

Returning to the OP, don’t feel bad about forgetting about DAZ, I did that already.  I use Poser, Studio in any version is only confusion to me, and I prefer not to be confused.  Genesis, maybe okay, maybe not, and it doesn’t matter.  I’ve gotten away from conforming for the most part, using dynamic, and Studio can’t handle dynamic that doesn’t come from their sole supplier.  Support for the gen 4 hasn’t died completely, but finding something I can use is an exercise in frustration.  Skankwear sells, something real people would actually wear doesn’t.  Fantasy wear, ho-hum.  Tons of it, none of which I want to use.  For Genesis, forget it in my case, nothing there worth looking at because it’s not what I want, and probably will never be..

Tons of money in the gen 3 and 4 figures already, dump more into Genesis, no, I’m not made of money.  If, as has been stated, Genesis can be used in Poser, still a no sale, Not going to start the money chase again.

And the number of postings by me says how much of interest to me is in the forums lately.  I’m not having any particular problems with PP2012, it seems stable and reliable.  DS 4.5, downloaded, not installed, and several threads tell me not to waste the time.  Sharecg and Poserworld so far are taking care of most of my needs.

D.

...this is why I am learning Marvelous Designer and Poser Pro 2010. Maybe I can eventually become skilled enough to create the dynamic clothing I want for my “clunky old” Gen4 based characters that will never be available since Genesis has stolen the show.

Genesis doesn’t work for my LeelaTeen.  I tried. Doesn’t look anywhere near as good or as accurate as the Stph4 based character does (both the Studio3A and Poser Pro 2010 versions).

...“ohh, but, you’re missing out on so much potential” I am told. 

...Y’know, It really doesn’t bother me.

So it has taken a bit more work to achieve the results I want.  That’s not a big deal.  If anything it gives me more a sense of accomplishment, like when I created a 7 year old child using just V4 and Thorne’s Tommi with no custom scripted morphs of my own (as I am not good at scripting) and in Studio .2.3.3 no less.

I remember one fellow here (who left a while back (because he could see where things were going) who did some pretty impressive work work with the original Poser Woman figure - better than some V4 stuff I saw at the time.

Jasmine, thank you for the hugs. Yeah I’m frustrated and disappointed, but I’ll be fine.

In the past I could still use a lot of content created for Studio3 in Studio 2.3.  I may have needed to tweak a few shaders or create my own lighting sets as the UE lights provided wouldn’t work, but there was still always a workaround. With the change to the .duf format, new content will flatly not work in any version of Studio before 4.5 (or in Poser) period.  This more than anything is why I feel Daz has lost it for me.

My system barely supports the basic OGL requirement for 4.5. As I mentioned before, there are no more upgrades available for my graphics chipset. I can have the app.crash while setting up a scene, something that never occurred with earlier versions of the software or Poser. Kind of makes all the slick features and that “fast” 3Delight render engine sort of pointless.

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Posted: 21 September 2012 07:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 185 ]
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Genesis coming to Poser is the best news I’ve had all year.

Did they actually say that?  where?  Have i missed something?  the last thing I saw was a hint about poser heaven.  That could be just a new poser compatible character or something.
don’t get too excited until we learn more.  speaking of which…

any news about “poser heaven” as yet?
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Posted: 21 September 2012 09:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 186 ]
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esther - 21 September 2012 07:57 AM

Genesis coming to Poser is the best news I’ve had all year.

Did they actually say that?  where?  Have i missed something?  the last thing I saw was a hint about poser heaven.  That could be just a new poser compatible character or something.
don’t get too excited until we learn more.  speaking of which…

any news about “poser heaven” as yet?
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Posted: 21 September 2012 11:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 187 ]
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We shouldn’t get our expectations too high. But…

I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can’t give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.


Now, assuming these words were chosen carefully… The general Daz history gives us, uh, ahem, some bad examples, though…

The way I parse it…

(A) This could merely mean that they’ve started commissioning to have Genesis DO’s & PC-$1.99’ers converted to Gen 4. But I can’t think of a reason to keep that secret (Of course they might have thought of a reason - as companies are wont to do).


(B) If, on the other hand, it’s a plugin, then there would be several reasons for secrecy. If SM is involved, then that’s an obvious reason. Also, there’s tradition - we’re always left to imagine that the developers know it can be done, but can’t give a timeline yet, and/or it’s been decided to wait for more progress from developers. (“I think” fits that. But “I think” is appropriate because he’s offering his opinion)

SR3 made room for plugins to be written. That’s how Poser is finally due to get Reality, for instance.

Also, Smith-Micro was once working with Daz, and they already laid much of the groundwork, with a weight mapping system that was successfully designed to be compatible with TriAx. I think I’ve heard someone say that they also added a few tweaks that helped Genesis, in SR3, but don’t quote me on that. I mean you can quote the message, sure, but I’m not making claims.

So it’s not an obviously unreasonable possibility.


But “over the next couple of months” and “with the direction we are going”, suggest that it could take a while to get limited functions, and rather longer to get most/all of the functions in pretty-good shape. I suspect they’d generously give us a public alpha or beta, to play with. And… well, you know how that whole story goes.

In any case, once they’ve decided it’s ok to torture us, it means TPTB have finally quit arguing about that part. So whatever it is is a done deal.


()As one note, I would hope that if they aren’t talking plugin, they’d let us down now. (They wouldn’t have to drop any hints, otherwise).

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Posted: 21 September 2012 03:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 188 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 20 September 2012 11:38 PM

...Genesis doesn’t work for my LeelaTeen.  I tried. Doesn’t look anywhere near as good or as accurate as the Stph4 based character does (both the Studio3A and Poser Pro 2010 versions).

You know… I had that experience when I first tried to use Genesis, too… but I discovered that much like Gen 4, the more morphs( in the case of Genesis, it’s actually “shapes” usually) the more likely you are to get the results you want. After I transferred V4’s morphs to Genesis ( No, I did not need GenX or the V4 shape to do it) and I bought a few other “shape helpers” like:

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-starter-bundle (which includes the Genesis Evolution: Morph Bundle)

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/victoria-5
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/stephanie-5

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-head-morph-resource-kit-1
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-head-morph-resource-kit-2
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-head-morph-resource-kit-3
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-body-morph-resource-kit-1

I had absolutely NO trouble dialing what I wanted in a character.

Now…I’m poor, like I mentioned already, so I do not have all of these….and the ones I have I got at great prices. (Keep a heads-up for Daz3d 50% off sales for the DO items )

I do have one of Thorne’s head morph resource kits…and it’s AWESOME! I need to get the others…

The point is… “out of the box” Genesis is pretty basic….but then, so is V4 and Aiko 3 and all the others that ever launched before. With a few (just a few) “extras”, Genesis is very flexible….even more flexible than generations before just because after you dial your “perfect” character… you can then “mutate” her into an elephant or a gorilla…lol

(Sorry…. I’m a fan.)

but really what I’m saying is… I was where you went with it…trust me… go a bit further, and you won’t be disappointed.

 

Kyoto Kid - 20 September 2012 11:38 PM

Jasmine, thank you for the hugs. Yeah I’m frustrated and disappointed, but I’ll be fine.

Always have hugs for you, KK… cuz you’re sweet and sensitive…

and btw… I like you that way! smile

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Posted: 22 September 2012 01:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 189 ]
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JasmineSkunk - 21 September 2012 03:07 PM

You know… I had that experience when I first tried to use Genesis, too… but I discovered that much like Gen 4, the more morphs( in the case of Genesis, it’s actually “shapes” usually) the more likely you are to get the results you want. After I transferred V4’s morphs to Genesis ( No, I did not need GenX or the V4 shape to do it) and I bought a few other “shape helpers” like:

Can you amplify what you did to get the V4 morphs to genesis without GenX?

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Posted: 22 September 2012 02:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 190 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 20 September 2012 11:38 PM

...Genesis doesn’t work for my LeelaTeen.  I tried. Doesn’t look anywhere near as good or as accurate as the Stph4 based character does (both the Studio3A and Poser Pro 2010 versions).

You know… I had that experience when I first tried to use Genesis, too… but I discovered that much like Gen 4, the more morphs( in the case of Genesis, it’s actually “shapes” usually) the more likely you are to get the results you want. After I transferred V4’s morphs to Genesis ( No, I did not need GenX or the V4 shape to do it) and I bought a few other “shape helpers” like:

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-starter-bundle (which includes the Genesis Evolution: Morph Bundle)

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/victoria-5
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/stephanie-5

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-head-morph-resource-kit-1
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-head-morph-resource-kit-2
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-head-morph-resource-kit-3
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/genesis-body-morph-resource-kit-1

I had absolutely NO trouble dialing what I wanted in a character


Now…I’m poor, like I mentioned already, so I do not have all of these….and the ones I have I got at great prices. (Keep a heads-up for Daz3d 50% off sales for the DO items )

I do have one of Thorne’s head morph resource kits…and it’s AWESOME! I need to get the others…

The point is… “out of the box” Genesis is pretty basic….but then, so is V4 and Aiko 3 and all the others that ever launched before. With a few (just a few) “extras”, Genesis is very flexible….even more flexible than generations before just because after you dial your “perfect” character… you can then “mutate” her into an elephant or a gorilla…lol

(Sorry…. I’m a fan.)

but really what I’m saying is… I was where you went with it…trust me… go a bit further, and you won’t be disappointed..

...Steph5 is too bulky and has no where near the body shapes and controls her Gen4 counterpart has.. She also doesn’t have the specialty morph sets either and is also more expensive (which is why I didn’t get her). The other thing is, I already have working versions of my LeelaTeen and LeelaChild character models. Genesis really has little to add save for maybe making her butt flatten better when she sits.

...but i can do the same with her in Poser 2012 without having to rebuild her from scratch.

 

Kyoto Kid - 20 September 2012 11:38 PM

Jasmine, thank you for the hugs. Yeah I’m frustrated and disappointed, but I’ll be fine.

Always have hugs for you, KK… cuz you’re sweet and sensitive…

and btw… I like you that way! smile

...awwww,

Guess even a “troll” can feel all gushy inside.


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Posted: 22 September 2012 03:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 191 ]
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JasmineSkunk - 21 September 2012 03:07 PM

You know… I had that experience when I first tried to use Genesis, too… but I discovered that much like Gen 4, the more morphs( in the case of Genesis, it’s actually “shapes” usually) the more likely you are to get the results you want. After I transferred V4’s morphs to Genesis ( No, I did not need GenX or the V4 shape to do it) and I bought a few other “shape helpers” like:

Can you amplify what you did to get the V4 morphs to genesis without GenX?

OK… after giving this some thought… I’ve decided I will share. I won’t hijack this thread completely to do it, though…lol.

I’ve debated for quite some time about whether I should share, because Gen X is awesome and much simpler from what I hear… but since what I know really only works with V4 and M4 (K4 and A3 did not work , for example) and since I think it will help encourage people to try Genesis (which I think would be a good thing) I will do it.

I will put together a tutorial and post it somewhere… probably the New Users forum. Give me a little time… probably won’t get to it until after the week-end (I’m already backed up with a few things) but I will return with a link when I’ve finished it.

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JasmineSkunk - 21 September 2012 03:07 PM

You know… I had that experience when I first tried to use Genesis, too… but I discovered that much like Gen 4, the more morphs( in the case of Genesis, it’s actually “shapes” usually) the more likely you are to get the results you want. After I transferred V4’s morphs to Genesis ( No, I did not need GenX or the V4 shape to do it) and I bought a few other “shape helpers” like:

Can you amplify what you did to get the V4 morphs to genesis without GenX?

OK… after giving this some thought… I’ve decided I will share. I won’t hijack this thread completely to do it, though…lol.

I’ve debated for quite some time about whether I should share, because Gen X is awesome and much simpler from what I hear… but since what I know really only works with V4 and M4 (K4 and A3 did not work , for example) and since I think it will help encourage people to try Genesis (which I think would be a good thing) I will do it.

I will put together a tutorial and post it somewhere… probably the New Users forum. Give me a little time… probably won’t get to it until after the week-end (I’m already backed up with a few things) but I will return with a link when I’ve finished it.

Thanks for taking the time and effort. I look forward to seeing it.

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Kyoto Kid - 22 September 2012 02:36 AM

...Steph5 is too bulky and has no where near the body shapes and controls her Gen4 counterpart has.. She also doesn’t have the specialty morph sets either and is also more expensive (which is why I didn’t get her). The other thing is, I already have working versions of my LeelaTeen and LeelaChild character models. Genesis really has little to add save for maybe making her butt flatten better when she sits.

...but i can do the same with her in Poser 2012 without having to rebuild her from scratch.

 

Unfortunately I have yet to see one Gen4 morph with Steph4 that looks like a teen… just a short adult. Generally you need to do a lot face work, mostly custom to get a younger face out of her. And of course of you need to work on her body shape more because a teen doesn’t have the proportions that Steph has… so you can’t do custom bodies unless you got a copy of Morphing Clothes.

Can you do a better teen with steph5? It really gets down to your skill in making faces; it’s not as simple as mixing child in. However, that’s where the beauty of Genesis comes in, because you’re not restricted in what you can change. But it’s certainly not a lot more expensive to do it… getting more aquainted with the tools in blender or hexagon and loading your results in with morph loader pro and you’re already way ahead in making custom morphs with Gen4, that is if you’re actually working on making a believable teen…. moving dials in either Gen4 or Genesis isn’t really going to do it.

JasmineSkunk - 22 September 2012 03:18 AM

OK… after giving this some thought… I’ve decided I will share. I won’t hijack this thread completely to do it, though…lol.

I’ve debated for quite some time about whether I should share, because Gen X is awesome and much simpler from what I hear… but since what I know really only works with V4 and M4 (K4 and A3 did not work , for example) and since I think it will help encourage people to try Genesis (which I think would be a good thing) I will do it.

I will put together a tutorial and post it somewhere… probably the New Users forum. Give me a little time… probably won’t get to it until after the week-end (I’m already backed up with a few things) but I will return with a link when I’ve finished it.

I think I know where you’re going with the tools to transfer morphs without GenX; and for beginners you really need to use GenX. To get a morph out using that other method is really pain incarnate… and usually needs another tool (I used Zbrush before GenX was available) to clean up issues around extreme areas like eyes. The tool has improved since I used it in the betas (that’s how I got morph of nigel back to M4… but then that’s one of of the reasons I wanted to redo the whole thing in M5 wink ), but I pulled my hair out doing it.

I know I’m going to get chorus of “don’t discourage us, we can do it”... but all it takes is the attempt to doing one and you’ll see what I mean, especially when those eyes go wonky and you don’t know how to fix it. And you’ll be trying fix that one morph in the time you could have used GenX to transfer a bunch of morphs.

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sunfirexed - 20 August 2012 11:53 AM

Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I’m afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I’m not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!
Victor

I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can’t give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

I’ve been here since day one and I sure hope this becomes true.  Today I had to download all files in a purchase because there is now way to distinguish a mac file from a pc file anymore.  The example 14950_FutureHeightExp_v1.1_dpc.zip dpc is not pc anymore.  When will the server start working like a true store and not the crap it is now.  I even am starting to like DS4x and have no problem using it for what I need to do which is to use it primarly as an export package to my higher end applications.

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I check in once and a while to see just how far DAZ is going to stretch this string,
Personally I don’t believe anything DAZ says, it seems what DAZ says and what DAZ does is two different things. Or should I say what DAZ infers is not what DAZ means.

It’s my opinion; and I could be wrong but doubt it, what they are referring to is a new exported plugin for studio to convert DSF and DUF to cr2 and pp2, probably losing all the weight mapping that makes genesis genesis.  {not saying there is one, it’s just what I think they are talking about}

Till poser can use DSF and DUF or DAZ finds a way to convert studio weight mapping to poser weight mapping this is going no where.

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