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Posted: 19 September 2012 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 151 ]
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Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I’m afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I’m not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!
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I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can’t give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

What about DS3A users?  Will it include a relief for US?  (Please answer this . . . or give a page number, because I’m not able to read 10 pages at this time.  Thanks. smile  )

 

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Posted: 19 September 2012 12:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 152 ]
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Cyn Art - 19 September 2012 11:43 AM
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sunfirexed - 20 August 2012 11:53 AM

Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I’m afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I’m not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!
Victor

I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can’t give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

What about DS3A users?  Will it include a relief for US?  (Please answer this . . . or give a page number, because I’m not able to read 10 pages at this time.  Thanks. smile  )

 

What are you expecting realistically? What “relief” do you seek? While I understand the poser community’s position. There are people using new version of poser who would like to try the new genesis figure. Daz isn’t about to support genesis in their old software.

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Posted: 19 September 2012 12:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 153 ]
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Cyn Art - 19 September 2012 11:43 AM
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sunfirexed - 20 August 2012 11:53 AM

Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I’m afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I’m not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!
Victor

I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can’t give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

What about DS3A users?  Will it include a relief for US?  (Please answer this . . . or give a page number, because I’m not able to read 10 pages at this time.  Thanks. smile  )

 

It might be worthwhile for you to give Daz 4.5 Pro a go, seems as though it’s still free. I seriously doubt they would release any updates for out dated software. I was in your shoes not to long ago… And I was very much amazed with DS 4.5. There are MANY improvements! And genesis has totally became my most cherished figure! smile

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Posted: 19 September 2012 01:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 154 ]
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Spyro - 19 September 2012 12:31 PM
Cyn Art - 19 September 2012 11:43 AM
DAZ_bfurner - 20 August 2012 02:33 PM
sunfirexed - 20 August 2012 11:53 AM

Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I’m afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I’m not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!

I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can’t give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

What about DS3A users?  Will it include a relief for US?  (Please answer this . . . or give a page number, because I’m not able to read 10 pages at this time.  Thanks. smile  )

It might be worthwhile for you to give Daz 4.5 Pro a go, seems as though it’s still free. I seriously doubt they would release any updates for out dated software. I was in your shoes not to long ago… And I was very much amazed with DS 4.5. There are MANY improvements! And genesis has totally became my most cherished figure! smile

Ditto’ng give Daz 4.5 Pro a go — I was unimpressed with early 4.0’s stability and resource management even while enjoying Genesis and the new interface, but Daz 4.5 Pro has been fast and stable for me, and there’s a gui fix to turn the big bright color-coded controls small and dark again (I don’t use it, so I can never remember what it’s called).  And I’m loving the new .duf file format — I can finally take projects to Mom’s with me!  And back home again, still reading everything fine!  (That having been said I use CreateSynchronicity60 to synchronize content between the computers via a portable hard drive {which still worked horribly before duf}.  And I keep my old content and newer MetaData’d content in separate runtimes.)

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Posted: 19 September 2012 01:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 155 ]
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Spyro - 19 September 2012 12:31 PM

It might be worthwhile for you to give Daz 4.5 Pro a go, seems as though it’s still free. I seriously doubt they would release any updates for out dated software. I was in your shoes not to long ago… And I was very much amazed with DS 4.5. There are MANY improvements! And genesis has totally became my most cherished figure! smile

That would be nice, but my machine won’t handle it.  Now . . . if they want to buy me a new machine to use that new software - I’d love that!  tongue wink   LOL 

larsmidnatt - 19 September 2012 12:21 PM

What are you expecting realistically? What “relief” do you seek? While I understand the poser community’s position. There are people using new version of poser who would like to try the new genesis figure. Daz isn’t about to support genesis in their old software.

What “relief” do you seek? While I understand the poser community’s position. There are people using new version of poser who would like to try the new genesis figure.

???  Really?  Why would my position be any different than the Poser community’s position if I’m unable to use Genesis and would like to? 


“Daz isn’t about to support genesis in their old software.”

Then we obviously made a big mistake by supporting DAZ instead of Smith Micro.  LoL LOL 


But seriously, I’m simply hoping that they’ve come up with a plug-in or free-standing diddie solution.  It may be that Smith Micro has done this and not DAZ.  But if DAZ has done it, I would think it might be similarly possible in DS3A since both programs often can use the same content.  I was expecting DS4A to be fixing some of the problems in my DS3A . . . not to chew it up and spit it out dead!  big surprise  LOL

Some of us paid good money for what we have and if I have to buy a new machine to continue using DS because DAZ has chosen the fifth generation to go in another direction, then I have no choice and my bus stops here, so to speak.  confused   That’s not attitude, just a fact.  The solution I need is not a free software that I can’t run, but one for the program that I bought from them.  If I would have known it would have such a short shelf life, you can bet your sweet bippie we’d have gone with Poser instead.  shut eye  :doh!:

 

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Posted: 19 September 2012 05:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 156 ]
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Mattymanx - 19 September 2012 08:52 AM

I have to personally disagree.  Yes, they are looking for nwe customers, that is true for every company but for the excisting customers and their content, DAZ never whould have made the autofit feature if they wanted everyone to put away their previous content for previous generations.  As for purchasing, we all should be good stewards of our money.  At the same time though, if you see value in something, you will be willing to invest in it.  I still buy A3 clothes cause I still use her and still see potential for the figure.  Gen4, I never really accepted until I started seeing much more potential in M4 over M3.  The only acception before that was whether or not I felt something could be fit to A3.  Still speaking from a personal view point, I see much greater potential still in Genesis over the previous generations and feel it is what the Gen4 should have been.  And because I see Genesis that way, I am willing to invest in content for Genesis that I see use for.

Genesis came out with no content to speak of - From the release of DS4 to the start of March Madness, DAZ released 300 items - that is everything, including bundles - other sites had nothing.  Without Autofit, DS4 users would be doing NGIATWAS (Naked Genesis In A Temple With A Sword) renders until March Madess.

Added value is the issue.  As a OSX user, I am reluctant to invest in software from DAZ - I have been burned on every piece of software that I have bought from DAZ (Cararra 6, Hexagon 2, and Bryce).  I gave DAZ the benefit of the doubt for the first 5 years.  No more.

 

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Posted: 19 September 2012 05:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 157 ]
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Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won’t handle it. So I buy a new one. I don’t complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.

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Posted: 19 September 2012 05:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 158 ]
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Zev0 - 19 September 2012 05:11 PM

Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won’t handle it. So I buy a new one. I don’t complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.

Not to mention that DAZ stuck with an old OLD OLD OLD version of OpenGL.  I wish they’d used at least OpenGL3 so that the modern hardware could really make it fly!

Besides that, if there is any “Poser Compatibility”  for Genesis it’s going to be for Poser 9/PP2012 not before.  So older software still won’t be supported.

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Posted: 19 September 2012 05:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 159 ]
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Zev0 - 19 September 2012 05:11 PM

Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won’t handle it. So I buy a new one. I don’t complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.


Not everyone has money to upgrade.
If you do, that’s beautiful.
If not, don’t begrudge those who can’t.


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If they could upgrade, do you think anyone would just sit there with an old machine?
If I could afford to upgrade, I would do so every year.
Get the top of the line machine each time.

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Posted: 19 September 2012 05:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 160 ]
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ssgbryan - 19 September 2012 05:07 PM

Genesis came out with no content to speak of - From the release of DS4 to the start of March Madness, DAZ released 300 items - that is everything, including bundles - other sites had nothing.  Without Autofit, DS4 users would be doing NGIATWAS (Naked Genesis In A Temple With A Sword) renders until March Madess.

Added value is the issue.  As a OSX user, I am reluctant to invest in software from DAZ - I have been burned on every piece of software that I have bought from DAZ (Cararra 6, Hexagon 2, and Bryce).  I gave DAZ the benefit of the doubt for the first 5 years.  No more.


You are right there as I remember that as well.  Unlike previous figure launches, Genesis was introduced with no addons.  It would have been nice to have had it held back until they had at least V5 ready to go so they could have built imidiate interest in it by the promis of the next gen right on its heels.  But what is done is done.  Forogot to mention last time too that I did not take to Genesis right away either.  i just happened to see potentional in it a lot sooner then I did with Gen4.  I should also mention that V5 is the first of the Victorias that I have liked (not that I have used her yet in renders)

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Posted: 19 September 2012 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 161 ]
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Zev0 - 19 September 2012 05:11 PM

Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won’t handle it. So I buy a new one. I don’t complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.


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If you do, that’s beautiful.
If not, don’t begrudge those who can’t.


I never ceased to be amazed at the question “why don’t you just upgrade?” posed at people.
If they could upgrade, do you think anyone would just sit there with an old machine?
If I could afford to upgrade, I would do so every year.
Get the top of the line machine each time.

Agreed, but then those with old machines should stop bad mouthing the software. I have read on numerous threads on different sites where users say “Daz4.5 is crap, it does not work on my machine - it crashes all the time - The older version was better” It gets tiresome..

Also its like you’re wanting to own a supercar with a v12 engine but you cannot afford to pay for petrol. I’m not going to call the car crap or complain to the manufacturer or demand they put a smaller motor in. I’d also love to render long animations, but I know that will take forever. Half the time my rig cannot handle it. So I don’t complain, I accept it.

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Posted: 19 September 2012 06:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 162 ]
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Without Autofit, DS4 users would be doing NGIATWAS (Naked Genesis In A Temple With A Sword) renders until March Madess.


Or they could do like I’ve been doing, keep using the Gen 4 figures. Victoria 4, Michael 4, the Kids 4, and even third party figures like those by Nursoda or 3D Universe work just fine in Studio 4.5.  DAZ isn’t forcing anyone to use Genesis, and just because they’re shifting towards making more clothing for Genesis doesn’t mean that Poser users (or any other user) can’t find environments, vehicles, creatures, and many other useful items here.

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Posted: 19 September 2012 06:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 163 ]
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Who knows, maybe in the near future there will be a Genesis to Gen4 clothing converter. Just reverse the autofit process or release one for Gen4 figures Choose V4, select Genesis clothing and choose Genesis in the drop down menu. That would be cool.

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Posted: 19 September 2012 07:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 164 ]
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Zev0 - 19 September 2012 06:30 PM

Who knows, maybe in the near future there will be a Genesis to Gen4 clothing converter. Just reverse the autofit process or release one for Gen4 figures Choose V4, select Genesis clothing and choose Genesis in the drop down menu. That would be cool.

You can do that now.

Wardrobe Wizard has a genesis plug-in.  If I see enough new, original genesis clothing, I’ll spring for it.

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Posted: 19 September 2012 07:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 165 ]
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edited…I will try this out…Never thought of that really. However that requires users to have poser as well.

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