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Posted: 31 July 2012 10:30 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Imagine a woman with long hair lying her head back. If she’s lying on a plane, her hair will spill around her shoulders. If she’s at the edge of the plane, her hair will spill over the side. Anyone know of a product like that for DAZ Studio? Thanks.(BTW, DAZ, any chance of getting dynamic hair in the next iteration of Studio?)

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Posted: 31 July 2012 11:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Sarsifus - 31 July 2012 10:30 PM

(BTW, DAZ, any chance of getting dynamic hair in the next iteration of Studio?)

If you’re asking for dynamic hair functionality like the one in Poser… Don’t.  The situation you described would be ridiculous to create in Poser’s completely useless hair room.  I’ve used Poser since Poser 5, and… it sucked the day I first used it, and it still sucks today.  A lot.  The best dynamic hair I ever used (in poser) was a conforming skullcap (or maybe it was a hair prop, I don’t remember) where a series of strips arranged on a skullcap were textured with a transparency map, the way that most conforming hair works.  But instead of using morphs on the hair, the hair strips are then just draped the same way as any dynamic cloth.  You might want to pester OptiTex to create something of this nature, as the poser version won’t work in DS.


I have also had good results draping conforming hair in Poser’s cloth room.  Making the hair itself dynamic allows you to drape it with decent results. I did so here: http://karibous-boutique.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=240#/d1mjm3m and it worked exactly as I wanted it to.  Having said that, I don’t think this is possible in DS, though I could be wrong.


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Posted: 31 July 2012 11:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I’m not a Poser user. I tried my hand at Poser Pro 2012, but it just looks and feels primitive to me—it was very uncomfortable to use, to be totally honest. When I asked about dynamic hair in DAZ Studio, I was talking about some form of strand-based hair, something that would respond naturally to physics simulation, especially gravity and motion (like wind, inertia, etc.). Smith Micro announced a physics plug-in for Poser a few weeks back, and I would love to see something like that implemented in Studio. In the meantime, though, I would just love to have a couple of realistic hair props: one spreading out atop a plane, and one spilling straight down. Know of anything like that?

BTW: I looked at your picture, and it’s pretty good. Imagine your dancer lying atop a plane (like a couch, a bed, a table, whatever) with her head back like that, and the hair falling straight down. THAT’s what I’m looking for, especially if it’s loaded with customization options (length, style, etc.). Later…

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Posted: 01 August 2012 12:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Not dynamic of course, but maybe something like the following

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/christine-hair/ (see second image)

or

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/naoko-fantasy-action-hair/
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/esidor-hair/

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Posted: 01 August 2012 12:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Sarsifus - 31 July 2012 11:48 PM

I’m not a Poser user. I tried my hand at Poser Pro 2012, but it just looks and feels primitive to me—it was very uncomfortable to use, to be totally honest. When I asked about dynamic hair in DAZ Studio, I was talking about some form of strand-based hair, something that would respond naturally to physics simulation, especially gravity and motion (like wind, inertia, etc.). Smith Micro announced a physics plug-in for Poser a few weeks back, and I would love to see something like that implemented in Studio. In the meantime, though, I would just love to have a couple of realistic hair props: one spreading out atop a plane, and one spilling straight down. Know of anything like that?

BTW: I looked at your picture, and it’s pretty good. Imagine your dancer lying atop a plane (like a couch, a bed, a table, whatever) with her head back like that, and the hair falling straight down. THAT’s what I’m looking for, especially if it’s loaded with customization options (length, style, etc.). Later…

Yup, I understood that you’re not a Poser User.  I actively use both programs. so I understand the differences in dynamic capabilities between the programs, and was just providing Poser as a comparison. Poser DOES have the capability to strand-based hair which responds to physics simulations.  In theory, it would work.  In reality, it’s horrible.  And RIDICULOUSLY resource intensive.  Works decently for fur, when the simulation settings are maxed, but not much else. I guess the point was that if DAZ did add a dynamic hair room, it DESPERATELY needs to be better than what Poser offers.

DS’s dynamic clothing is able to make cloth simulations quite nicely.  Poser can also do this with great results.  The hair in my art was simply a conforming hair piece that was “clothified” (prepared to be a dynamic object) and draped in a normal simulation. Conforming hair is composed of hair geometry that is TEXTURED to look like strands. When I ran my simulation, each strip of the hair’s geometry then fell in response to gravity.  In poser, ANYTHING can be converted into cloth.  You could clothify a chair an drape it over a shower curtain rod. I do not think DS has this capability. I’m not entirely sure I understand the preparation of dynamic cloth in DS, so I can’t say whether this would work.

Check out this… http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=81012  This uses the Cloth draping room to make dynamic hair.

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Posted: 01 August 2012 01:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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ruekaka - 01 August 2012 12:07 AM

Not dynamic of course, but maybe something like the following

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/christine-hair/ (see second image)

or

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/naoko-fantasy-action-hair/
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/esidor-hair/

Y’know, I actually HAVE Christine Hair—I just bought it last week and haven’t had a chance to play with it yet. Thank you for reminding me. The other two have been on my wish-list for a while now, and they just haven’t been available at a price I was wanting to pay. But thank you for telling me about them, anyways…

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Posted: 01 August 2012 01:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I have tried colliding a hair object with a plane and/or tweaking it with D-Formers (with which I have limited experience) to try to force it into a configuration that at least approximates the look I’m going for, and different hair models respond differently, and none of them to my satisfaction—which is where a hair modeled to represent lying down or falling down would come into play. Ah, well. Hey, thanks for taking the time to respond. Have a good one…

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Posted: 01 August 2012 02:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Martin has done 2 dynamic hair sets, which actualy work quite well

http://www.optitex-dynamiccloth.com/Store008.php

Some of the other hair products have better textures but these are the only dynamic hair products I know of for DS.

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Posted: 01 August 2012 02:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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cridgit - 01 August 2012 02:11 AM

Martin has done 2 dynamic hair sets, which actualy work quite well

http://www.optitex-dynamiccloth.com/Store008.php

Some of the other hair products have better textures but these are the only dynamic hair products I know of for DS.

It’s been a while since I looked at the OptiTex store. Those are cool, and certainly inexpensive enough—I may have to grab them and give ‘em a try. Thank you for letting me know.

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Posted: 01 August 2012 05:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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You might want to look into Carrara dynamic hair,  Carrara has some physics ability. 

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=carrara+dynamic+hair&x=0&y=0

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Posted: 01 August 2012 05:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Well - you will need patience ...
Alessandro is making his LAMH (Look at my hair) plugin. The first version will be hair. Strandbased hair.
It’s not out, yet.
Even farther in the future, there will be dynamics ...
Did I say you need patience?
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/381/

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Posted: 01 August 2012 07:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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FirstBastion - 01 August 2012 05:09 AM

You might want to look into Carrara dynamic hair,  Carrara has some physics ability. 

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=carrara+dynamic+hair&x=0&y=0

Thank you, but no. I just returned Carrara 8 Pro—it was actually even more uncomfortable and less intuitive for me to use than Poser is.  I wouldn’t mind seeing some of its features incorporated into DAZ Studio, though.

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Posted: 01 August 2012 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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There aren’t many bad things I have to say about Poser, but on that small list the top item is how appallingly useless the hair room was. Honestly, even after three hours it still looked like a rat with cancer got electrocuted.

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Posted: 01 August 2012 01:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Sarsifus - 31 July 2012 10:30 PM

Imagine a woman with long hair lying her head back. If she’s lying on a plane, her hair will spill around her shoulders. If she’s at the edge of the plane, her hair will spill over the side.

...Hmmmmm…
Huh? Oh sorry, I was miles away…

 


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Posted: 01 August 2012 02:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Sarsifus - 31 July 2012 10:30 PM

Imagine a woman with long hair lying her head back. If she’s lying on a plane, her hair will spill around her shoulders. If she’s at the edge of the plane, her hair will spill over the side.

...Hmmmmm…
Huh? Oh sorry, I was miles away…

 


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LOL! Sorry—I just now realized how that must read. I was not intending to be provocative.raspberry

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Posted: 01 August 2012 04:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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@tjohn: rofl too funny!

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