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Genesis Morphing Business Suit Now in store [Commercial]
Posted: 26 September 2012 07:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 316 ]
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Skiriki - 26 September 2012 07:27 PM

Well there’s a “Button to Left-Right” morph in the jacket.

So it sounds like the belt is not buckling the right way for a man…I never knew there was a difference for that.  I’ll see what SickleYield’s thinks about it when she’S back on deck.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 07:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 317 ]
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Skiriki - 26 September 2012 07:27 PM

Well there’s a “Button to Left-Right” morph in the jacket.

Yeah, I saw that. But does it mean a little bit left or right round where it is on the side it is to correct for fitting morph stretching? Or does it mean shift button to the other side of the jacket and be in the right place for the open windy morph or whatever morphs you have applied? Laatter would be fine, former not so much.

But as long as the buttons aren’t welded to the fabric, I suppose exporting to Hexagon in morphed state and dragging the button over to the correct place on the right side of the jacket to make a morph wouldn’t be difficult, if rather tedious doing it for every morph in the jacket.

I’m more concerned with the belt. Not seeing easy solution to turn the girl belt into a man belt without major effort fitting it with proper layering to all the morphs. But I just can’t render men wearing girl belts in their trousers - it leapt screaming at me out of all the promos that showed the belt.

It’s such a good, realistic set in every other way ... just the jacket buttons and the belt ...

Anyway, must got to bed now.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 07:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 318 ]
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The buttons glide across the jacket like a snake slithers in grass. The screencap I posted had “open” morph applied to the jacket while the buttons were moved to the other side. So, yes, you can fix it in Hexagon to your liking, no prob, if the existing morph does not do it for you.

Oh and here’s the belt with X-reversion.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 07:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 319 ]
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Marieah - 26 September 2012 07:33 PM
Skiriki - 26 September 2012 07:27 PM

Well there’s a “Button to Left-Right” morph in the jacket.

So it sounds like the belt is not buckling the right way for a man…I never knew there was a difference for that.  I’ll see what SickleYield’s thinks about it when she’S back on deck.

Yes. A lot of women never notice this ... including my mother, as I said.

In the US Army regulations I mentioned, for the belt worn with Service Greens and Dress uniforms, the quote from ‘how worn’ is:

(a) The brass tip belt is worn only with the brass buckle. The belt is worn so that the tipped end passes through the
buckle to the wearer’s left for males, and the wearer’s right for females.

In other words, for men we start feeding the tongue into the loops on the left of the fly, proceding round, so we end up with the buckle on our left and the tip/tongue on the right before the belt is done up, and the tip going round to the left of the buckle when done up. Women start feeding through the loops to the right of the fly so they end with the bucjkle on the right and the tip/tongue on the left before doing the belt up, and the tip going round to the right of the buckle when done up. Your set (and Sickleyield’s other trousers with belt sets) the belt is on the woman’s way, not the mans.

In longer shot renders, the jacket buttons on the wrong side is more immediately noticeable, though, if more easiy fixed.

 

 

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Posted: 26 September 2012 07:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 320 ]
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I just tested the x-reversion and it seems to work just fine.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 07:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 321 ]
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Skiriki - 26 September 2012 07:45 PM

The buttons glide across the jacket like a snake slithers in grass. The screencap I posted had “open” morph applied to the jacket while the buttons were moved to the other side. So, yes, you can fix it in Hexagon to your liking, no prob, if the existing morph does not do it for you.

Oh and here’s the belt with X-reversion.

Thanks. I really must got to bed now as I’m passing out, so won’t see the answer until tomorrow, but do all the morphs still work properly when it’s X-inverted like that?

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Posted: 26 September 2012 07:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 322 ]
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Yes they do. Tested those too.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 08:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 323 ]
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Marieah - 26 September 2012 06:36 PM

The short answer is that this is not a unisex clothing set. It’s a man’s suit that female and other characters can use.  If your girls are very picky about their buttons and buckes, I can only suggest that they wear something else.

SickleYield is on holiday right now.  I don’t know whether she would be interested in making an additional feminizing morph pack add on.

I do know what you mean. But this product was never intended to be anything other than a man’s suit with lots of fbms.

I’m sorry, but you have misunderstood me. Very fuzzy at the moment with painkillers, so I’m sure it is my fault not being clear.

I know it is supposed to be a man’s suit.

I want it to use it as a man’s suit.

But it is wrong as a man’s suit in the jacket and belt. It has a woman’s jacket and belt as it is. I certainly wouldn’t render a male character wearing that jacket and belt. Especially any character who ought to know how to dress (like James Bond, for instance).

Men have the buttons on the right (from the wearer’s point of view). The shirt has the buttons on the right, so is correct. The vest has the buttons on the right, so is correct. The pants don’t appear to have a button but close left over right so are correct.

But in every promo picture, the jacket has the buttons on the left (the wearer’s left that is), which is wrong. A jacket made for women may have buttons on the left as this set has, but a man’s suit will have the buttons on the right. Just look at the first promo picture for the bundle, with the man in the grey suit carrying the briefcase. The button’s are on the left side of the jacket (his left). That is wrong for a man’s jacket - a man’s jacket has them on the right.

So i want to know if there is a way to move the buttons to the right side of the jacket (the wearer’s right) when the jacket is open because that is how men have it, not on the left as all your promos do. As long as the button mesh isn’t actually welded to the jacket underneath it’s not to big a problem.

Even more, the belt is wrong for a man. In your promos you show the buckle on the right and the tongue coming from the left and then going through the buckle and going off to the right. Men do not have this. Men wear belt’s with the buckle on the left, and the tongue coming from the right, going through the buckle and ending to the left. I know a lot of women haven’t been taught this and have never noticed (my mother, who married my father in 1948, lived with him until his death in 1997, then moved to live with me, still hasn’t learned this and on occasions when she tries to be helpful and put the belt into some trousers I am going to wear invariably still gets this wrong), but it is an important distinction.

Granted these are distinctions and traditions I learned growing up in the UK in the 60s and 70s in a Cathedral Close having to hobnob with bishops, lords, ex-primeministers, retired gemerals, admirals and whatnot. so may be thought ot be out of date. but e.g. if you look in the US Army AR 670-1 Regulations for wear of Army Uniforms, Chapter 27-2 (Google will find the 2012 edition), you will see that the US Army mandate that the trouser belt worn with field and utlitiy uniforms will be worn with buckle to the left, tongue going through from the right to the left by all personel, male and female, while the fancier one for Service Greens Class A and B and dress uniforms is to be worn buckle on the left, tongue going through from right to left by men, and buckle to the right, tongue going through left to right by women. So as an organistion both modern and traditional, they actually still specify the traditional different male and female modes of wearing a belt for dress uniforms, but have gone unisex for field and combat uniforms standardising on the male way for all for the fighting and working uniforms, not the female.

in any case, the thing is this - your sets have two mistakes as a male suit - the jacket buttons are on the wrong side for men, and the belt is the wrong way round. I love the sets otherwise ... but I just can’t render a man wearing a woman’s jacket, or a man with his trouser belt the way round only women put them. I know Sickleyield is female ... which is probably why she made the belt in this set and in the Dead World pants at Renderosity the woman’s way, likely never having been told or noticed that men thread the belt into the loops from the other side - buckle on the left, not the right. But it is a significant mistake for any of us men who are traditional ... or even want to use the trousers in a render of a soldier, sailor, marine or airmen and want to have the belt the right way round as mandated by military regulations.

So - can the belt be reversed side for side? I wonder if it would work with a -100% xscale on it?

What about rotating the belt so that it is turned over and facing the other direction…would that work?
Edited to add…saw the reversion worked…Great Job!

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Posted: 26 September 2012 09:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 324 ]
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Marieah - 25 September 2012 11:58 PM

Renders. Please. I’m sick of looking at only my own.

You may be about to regret that post . . . just some badly-rendered sillyness (best I could do before bedtime), but I had fun!

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Posted: 26 September 2012 09:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 325 ]
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That’s hilarious!

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Posted: 26 September 2012 11:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 326 ]
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Needs work, but 3 of the 11 figures in this picture are wearing at least parts of the suit (in theory, this is a summer picture, which is why only the military two in the back are wearing coats.)  and many of the ladies have their clothes done using the Fabricator. smile

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Posted: 27 September 2012 12:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 327 ]
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DaWaterRat - 26 September 2012 11:06 PM

Needs work, but 3 of the 11 figures in this picture are wearing at least parts of the suit (in theory, this is a summer picture, which is why only the military two in the back are wearing coats.)  and many of the ladies have their clothes done using the Fabricator. smile

That is simply fantastc!
It doesn’t even look like they’re wearing the same clothes.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 03:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 328 ]
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I’m having a ton of fun with the suit, it adds a bit of class to the character. Some excellent morph there.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 03:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 329 ]
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Anyone got the BowTie to get under the shirt neck?
Only thing I stumbled on, probably was tired though.. lol.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 07:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 330 ]
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midnight_stories - 27 September 2012 03:18 AM

I’m having a ton of fun with the suit, it adds a bit of class to the character. Some excellent morph there.

Snazzy!  How did you get the pantslegs to stay down over the S-Goat’s ankles?!?  I couldn’t get it to do that.

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