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I have noticed for years something confusing about the male figure and pants. If the guy has his equipment he cannot wear pants at same time. The equipment pokes through the pants. In real life men can keep their equipment on and still wear pants or shorts but not in our 3d.  Programs. Why is that?

There is a “package” morph for genesis, but I have no link. Clothes should conform to the morph.

In carrara it is easy enough to tug some polies to make a package.

The term is “toast”  :D

wao,,, I have not tryed yet,,usually I do not use mens figure,,(so I do not buy M5 yet,,)

but It seems so important things about 3D figure.

I believe they need to hide their equipments. they need pants and wear which can hide their
weapon well !!

if many items of daz can not cover them,  it seems so strange for me , too. 

First, I can not believe why equipments of the figures are sold separately.
(I do not have interesting mans equipments but,,,)

we need category for “daz adult linenap!! ” for art !  (in my case for hobby,,)

Miss Bad Wolf - 21 July 2012 03:59 PM

I have noticed for years something confusing about the male figure and pants. If the guy has his equipment he cannot wear pants at same time. The equipment pokes through the pants. In real life men can keep their equipment on and still wear pants or shorts but not in our 3d.  Programs. Why is that?

IANA Content Creator, but it strikes me that there’s a couple things going on here:

1) Cloth mesh and 3D mesh are two very different things and behave in different ways—real cloth either stretches or pushes back when it gets stressed, while 3D mesh simply breaks. Unless the cloth very old and worn or unusually thin, the real thing simply isn’t strong or rigid enough (no, not even THEN) to cause real cloth to tear. (And if the cloth is that old and thin, unless you’re wearing it for effect, someone—one hopes—will be courageous enough to say, “Um ... you realize we can see your ... your ... You Know, THAT. Through your pants. And there’s a little tear, too. You might want to change before you expose your shortcomings to the entire world.”)

2) Real “equipment” and the 3D version, again, very different things. The real thing is more flexible and ... well, squishy. Dynamic, if you will. In other words, when cloth pushes back, the real thing can change its shape to (ideally) comfortably fit into the space—within limits, and if you reach those limits, then you need another pair of pants or else you’ll rupture something—whereas the 3D version doesn’t react to 3D cloth at all. Not even the new geografted wingwang.

As something of an aside, some content creators also provide genital morphs for the characters that are very ... optimistic, let’s say. Extremely optimistic. Excessively optimistic. So optimistic that on occasion, I’ve used the INJ file, and then laughed myself sick because ... no. Just ... no.  Those would not fit into most pants in the real world. There are not that many Jonah Falcon-like men out there. (Look him up if you don’t know, I ain’t linkin’. But don’t do it at work because it’s probably going to be very NSFW. The man has some very unusual experiences with the TSA is all I’m saying.)

One of the interesting things about dynamic kilts, and now conforming kilts and the like with the geografted dingus, is that the cloth actually does react to the “equipment”, as it were, although that is a one-way street for now. For better or worse. You can get some very ... interesting profiles that way.

Some vendors include a “package” morph in the pants that they sell.  All of my pants for Genesis come with this.

soft body physics?

Misty Whisky - 22 July 2012 06:44 PM

soft body physics?

Don’t let Michael know you’re thinking “soft body” about his toast.

fixmypcmike - 22 July 2012 06:53 PM

Misty Whisky - 22 July 2012 06:44 PM

soft body physics?

Don’t let Michael know you’re thinking “soft body” about his toast.

but,

The real thing is more flexible and ... well, squishy.

That’s another reason for not fitting directly over separate conforming toast.  Most gens are not as “tuckable” or malleable as real toast, so fitting pants over them would result in a weird misshapen lump that would interfere with rigging in the leg area.

For some reason there’s been a real dearth of add-ons to morph toasts realistically to fit under pants.

SickleYield - 22 July 2012 09:32 PM

That’s another reason for not fitting directly over separate conforming toast.  Most gens are not as “tuckable” or malleable as real toast, so fitting pants over them would result in a weird misshapen lump that would interfere with rigging in the leg area.

For some reason there’s been a real dearth of add-ons to morph toasts realistically to fit under pants.

Well ... unless the character is wearing something tight enough that you need to see the actual shape underneath clothes, either a general “package” morph in the clothes like you provide, or the “bulge” morphs for Genesis itself that come with the Evolutions morphs or the two “genital bulge” morphs that come with M5 would provide enough of a general shape for clothing. (If you need to see the actual twig-and-berries shape, so to speak, either it’s wet swimwear or those pants are just too darn tight!)

(For sheer anatomically improbable fun, I recommend using the Evolution bulge, plus both M5 bulges, plus—if you have them—the GhostOfMacbeth directional bulge morphs.  You’ll have a character whose dingus enters the room five minutes before the rest of him, plus you’ll know what side he dresses on! But I digress.)

I also think there might be, shall we say, a certain psychological resistance to half of the “One morph makes you Bigger and one morph makes you small” approach to that particular body part.

mmm . . . dynamics, I made the geometry invisible but. . . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pdPVmBQgNQ

wendy♥catz - 22 July 2012 10:36 PM

mmm . . . dynamics, I made the geometry invisible but. . . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pdPVmBQgNQ

Heh. Reminds me of the latest Cosmo Jarvis video about which he himself has said, “I thank you all for support and hope that you accept my most sincere apologies for not realizing my [TOAST] moved so much when I walked until after I saw this.” He himself didn’t say “toast”, of course; he used a more hard-shelled seed/fruit metaphor, but you take his point. And yes, they really do move a lot. It’s what happens when you wear loose tights, but given the outfit, his choice was to find tights so snug that you could see actual Detail, or loose enough that there was Movement. (Or loose tights plus underwear, but that option does not seem to have occurred.) Mind, I’m more curious as to why that particular song would inspire someone to make a video of a devil being beaten up by angels as he walks down a road with free-swinging toast, but whatever.

To avoid possible injury resulting from excessively convoluted euphemisms, let me assure you all that it is OK to say genitals or penis.

Richard Haseltine - 23 July 2012 05:00 AM

To avoid possible injury resulting from excessively convoluted euphemisms, let me assure you all that it is OK to say genitals or penis.

LOL Richard! I already was wondering why everyone was avoiding the right words for it.

Besides, I thought this 3D world was more or less make belief so you can form the clothes as if there were genitals under it.
Come to think of it, when I started in 3D I had no notice that you could do that untill I learned to make poke through bodyparts invisible and it only looked as if Victoria had well shaped breasts…...

Love, Jeanne

There are clothes for male figures?

BTW Wendy I love that vid!

if I can find the .dae file, I must one day do a HD version, that was done on my crappy laptop.
yes invisible geometry is my solution for poke through but in THAT sim you get a hollow tube showing in the pants at one point!!!!
I had a much worse one with stiff,, not flaccid toast I dared not upload to YouTube!!
(erect penis in plain English!!!)