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Posted: 23 July 2012 03:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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it is not only the head , you need also to match the body proportions , but the child will be done also , and then you can use the genesis to change the face features to make a nice neanderthal groups from the base family members

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Thank You !!  Mrs.Neanderthal would join her hubby just a little bit later as I am working on 3 projects at this moment switching between wink

Cathy_Mod - 21 July 2012 08:02 AM

Wow Cath this looks so amazing!  Really looking forward to this - will there be a Mrs. Neanderthal as well? grin  I am so excited to hear you are taking on a project like this, your work is always so admirable.  Thanks for the work that you do grin

Excellent!  And one for the GenesisKid, like in your previous Mil4 set?  I’m also hoping that the head and body morphs will be separate, I’m looking forward to the mix’n'match possibilities.

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Posted: 23 July 2012 03:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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I was waiting just for your post about fur lol as they was living outside the per-ma frost areas in Mediterranean Eurasia they is not indication about fur body ,  they come outside the cozy zone only in spring and summer to hunt in the warm tundra summer days , Neanderthals ate vegetation such as grains and nuts, seafood and game, including bears, deer and rabbits. Shellfish, dolphins and seal were among the sea creatures the Neanderthals consumed and also apples and other fruit .

Read more: The Diet of Neanderthals | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_7306462_diet-neanderthals.html#ixzz21UAD8WBt

RAMWolff - 23 July 2012 09:44 AM

Nice to see a new product from you in the making Cath.  He looks awesome!  Needs more fur!  lmao!  raspberry *runs*  raspberry

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Posted: 23 July 2012 07:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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Mec4D - 23 July 2012 03:59 PM

I was waiting just for your post about fur lol as they was living outside the per-ma frost areas in Mediterranean Eurasia they is not indication about fur body ,  they come outside the cozy zone only in spring and summer to hunt in the warm tundra summer days , Neanderthals ate vegetation such as grains and nuts, seafood and game, including bears, deer and rabbits. Shellfish, dolphins and seal were among the sea creatures the Neanderthals consumed and also apples and other fruit .

Read more: The Diet of Neanderthals | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_7306462_diet-neanderthals.html#ixzz21UAD8WBt

RAMWolff - 23 July 2012 09:44 AM

Nice to see a new product from you in the making Cath.  He looks awesome!  Needs more fur!  lmao!  raspberry *runs*  raspberry

Oh piffle.  raspberry FINE.. I’ll just wait for Z’s furry body add on and make it so!  YUMMY.  As to your asking about dogs I thought I had read something a while back about dogs HELPING them hunt so I think they were part of the family unit.  Bones found with the Mammoth bones might have been the dogs got killed by the Mammoth so they just buried them together.  Might be wrong but dogs have always been “mans best friend” throughout history so why not even back then??

Hope your doing well sweety!  XOXO

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Posted: 25 July 2012 09:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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I reworked the beard and hair for more natural looking
and added also little dynamic like wind blow for the more dynamic pose and others .
Also shorter and longer beard for more variations .

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Posted: 25 July 2012 09:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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3 more , I think looking more authentic with this hair style

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Posted: 25 July 2012 10:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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and here with textures

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Posted: 25 July 2012 11:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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Gorgeous work CATH… really love the hair and beard…. looks like it would make a great Wizard set too!  The Nean morph is excellent and the skin looks so life like!  XO

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Posted: 26 July 2012 01:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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Thanks Richard , I was thinking the same a good idea for a wizard, however the hair will not works if used on different relation between the head and neck as they was made specific for this character body morph and rigging , everything because of the hair length that is snap to the torso and the both arms bones for the more dynamic posing other way it will be just another static wig the smooth modifier would correct it but not in case : fiber ,with the beard no problems as it have only one bone and can be used with any character rigging .But I really don’t care in this case as anything is just extra to make Nean looking better and more authentic

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Posted: 26 July 2012 06:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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I just had to sit and look at these amazing pictures for awhile before I could post this - how very amazing this work is, Cath!  This character seems so real to me - he doesn’t appear as human, exactly, nor as animal - but as a humanoid type that could be very dangerous - it makes me wonder what sort of behavior these creatures displayed - I want to sit and observe him, learn from him - lol so I guess he has pulled me quite into his existance.  I love this character.  His facial expressions, his build, his appearance, his hair - he is totally wonderful!  Thank you so much for the work you do - it is obvious how much of yourself you put into the things you create.  -Cathy

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Posted: 26 July 2012 06:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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Mec4D - 26 July 2012 01:33 AM

Thanks Richard , I was thinking the same a good idea for a wizard, however the hair will not works if used on different relation between the head and neck as they was made specific for this character body morph and rigging , everything because of the hair length that is snap to the torso and the both arms bones for the more dynamic posing other way it will be just another static wig the smooth modifier would correct it but not in case : fiber ,with the beard no problems as it have only one bone and can be used with any character rigging .But I really don’t care in this case as anything is just extra to make Nean looking better and more authentic

...Unless your wizard happens to be a Neanderthal, in which case you’d be good to go! smile Actually, in my own fantasy setting, “dwarves” are, biologically speaking, pretty much identical to what we would call Neanderthals. I was thinking I could use this set to make some of my dwarven characters. Now that I see the latest images, it appears not much tweaking will be required aside from a wardrobe change! smile


Out of curiosity (particularly for those interested in the wizard angle), if one were to use the Neanderthal shape at 100%, with Evolutions head and body morphs applied to make him look somewhat more like a modern human, what would happen to the hair and beard?

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Posted: 26 July 2012 02:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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In my world “dwarves” was looking just like that too beside smaller in scale
I in my country the name of dwars was Krasnoludek what mean Beautiful people of peace
the word come from the area of Black Sea the beginning of European ancestors ,maybe that why they called Neanderthals , the people of peace ,Ludek is short from Ludzie = meaning people ,Ludek mean also - small humanoid or small man ,and Krasno mean beautiful
not only outside but also inside , according to legends they living in the forest and caves outside the human villages and cities ,so maybe a little truth .as all legends have some origin based on an true events .

You can scale the Neanderthal and everything will follow ,you can also make the limbs longer and make them 6.7 and will not affect the hair ,only the head-neck area need to be unchanged , as there are 3 groups , head-neck-torso ,  some of the fiber hair will change the diameter if used on other rigging .but still you can make him smaller or taller without having any problems with the long hair , the beard works as well with all other shapes as only one bone control the full beard , I will make some example to see what will happen when using the evolution morphs , to get the forehead more human like I think the Asian face morph will pull it back to more normal level , If I was doing longer hair for genesis that fit all shapes the hair will be sold separate because it will cost a lot more work also and will be original products ,but in this case it is only an extra to make the Neanderthal looking better beside I made already Unshaven for Genesis that is very much versatile so here would be no point to recreate it again ,I hope you see my point here , there would be also other members of his family with own hair styles also to match the rigging and I am not so sure that other long hair made by others will match so well the neanderthal that why I make it without charging you for it as I would if I made it to fit everything so that is just a plus smile

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Thanks Richard , I was thinking the same a good idea for a wizard, however the hair will not works if used on different relation between the head and neck as they was made specific for this character body morph and rigging , everything because of the hair length that is snap to the torso and the both arms bones for the more dynamic posing other way it will be just another static wig the smooth modifier would correct it but not in case : fiber ,with the beard no problems as it have only one bone and can be used with any character rigging .But I really don’t care in this case as anything is just extra to make Nean looking better and more authentic

...Unless your wizard happens to be a Neanderthal, in which case you’d be good to go! smile Actually, in my own fantasy setting, “dwarves” are, biologically speaking, pretty much identical to what we would call Neanderthals. I was thinking I could use this set to make some of my dwarven characters. Now that I see the latest images, it appears not much tweaking will be required aside from a wardrobe change! smile


Out of curiosity (particularly for those interested in the wizard angle), if one were to use the Neanderthal shape at 100%, with Evolutions head and body morphs applied to make him look somewhat more like a modern human, what would happen to the hair and beard?

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Posted: 26 July 2012 03:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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I was thinking the same while I research it a little time ago , they could be anything, dangerous maybe but the behavior of modern humans is dangerous too especially when it get about situation when human need to survive the natural instinct kick in automatic to protect the live ,however they was living more in harmony with the nature as we do today , they was free creatures without law living in a small tribes as other tribes living today of primates as we observe today the strongest always rule , according to the evolution theory the best survived the weaker not,  a natural selection . All modern humans are attracted to the things they don’t have but not always mean the things are the best , the theory that early modern sapiens match with neanderthals is little odd , as they was a lot more physically powerful that the early homo sapiens that was not attraction to them at all but is possible that neanderthals powerful appearance attracted the early homos sapiens finalizing in the nean-sapiens hybrids that was sterile to the neanderthals only due to the extra chromosomes they had but not to homo sapiens ,  beside there was not much left of neanderthals when early homo sapiens entered the areas and small epidemic could finish them very fast as it happen to the south american Indians when the modern human entered south america , but going back to the neanderthals , it is hard to judge the behavior or even to be sure 100% how they really looks like as we never found anything as reference regarding to the soft tissue ,all we have are DNA and theories and because we have a part of the neanderthals DNA we think it was not far away from early human appearance , but there is also a new theory that the early Europeans ,Cro Magnon and Neanderthals have the same ancestors what exclude the mixing and out of Africa theory , what mean that European evolve from much older ancestors that the Africans early humans that never left at all and because everyone outside Africa have different DNA structure is in theory different species ,like elephant to mammoth still the same family but different species. if we look at the human chromosomes we are all the same but if we look at the DNA ,each human race would be different species of human as the different part of the DNA and gens we own from our different ancestors changed our appearance and that is a fact , however this subject is in a very delicate matter as it could destroy the global peace and evoke intensive racism between people as it already started after the announcement that Europeans are part of Neanderthals so not pure humans but hybrids and sub-species but this stupid talk bring the old question ,what was first the chicken or the egg ?  but if the new theory about human origin in Europe become more evident there would be the answer but until now we was looking in the wrong place until they find the missing link of Neanderthals and Cro magnon ancestors we will not know , what I believe is that there something happened that changed everything on global scale and that was more powerful than evolution . Imagine the earth reverse the solar radiation could change the DNA forever in all species on earth wiping the dinos out , it is more likely as a big meteor that completely destroy life   on impact , knowing that some species of animals are immune to x rays and did not change or evolve at all as human and animals did make some sense , if meteor kill dinosaurs it will kill also crocodiles as nothing could survive without sun for long period of time in a freezing climate so I think it was the solar radiation that have the power of changing DNA in silence .

sorry for the novel but all this subject is so interesting and I let myself go hahaha
and try to put the puzzle together based on what I read and hear , what does not mean I know 100% as it is based on theories and speculations and little deductions , I hope one day we all know and are sure , until then we can only imagine and speculate , the final truth and verdict will not change to much in my life or the way I am thinking as my mind is more an open box without labels but it could helps others find a peace for better tomorrow ..

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Cathy_Mod - 26 July 2012 06:54 AM

I just had to sit and look at these amazing pictures for awhile before I could post this - how very amazing this work is, Cath!  This character seems so real to me - he doesn’t appear as human, exactly, nor as animal - but as a humanoid type that could be very dangerous - it makes me wonder what sort of behavior these creatures displayed - I want to sit and observe him, learn from him - lol so I guess he has pulled me quite into his existance.  I love this character.  His facial expressions, his build, his appearance, his hair - he is totally wonderful!  Thank you so much for the work you do - it is obvious how much of yourself you put into the things you create.  -Cathy

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Posted: 28 July 2012 05:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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some updates on the subject smile

finishing and packing today

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Posted: 28 July 2012 07:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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