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Posted: 20 July 2012 05:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Looking great Cath!  Can’t wait to see the finished product…

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Posted: 20 July 2012 07:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I’ve been waiting for something like this! And it looks amazing so far.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 07:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Mec4D - 20 July 2012 01:39 AM

thanks, you own it already ,  well maybe not my HDRI light ... and additional lens correction and motion blur in photoshop for the last composed render is not so special ..

Zev0 - 20 July 2012 01:29 AM

Wow!! looking great!!!! Hope it comes with the render engine you used:)

lol thought you used octane…

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Posted: 20 July 2012 11:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Wow! Mr Neanderthal is looking better and better! I eagerly look forward to getting this guy, and look forward to meeting his whole family.  I am sure glad someone is producing stuff for this neglected genre. I already have all of your Homo Erectus models, so Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons will be great additions.

I Googled Neanderthal and Neanderthal artifacts images and came up with quite a lot of hits. One site link that came up even showed pictures of present day people who exhibited many Neanderthal facial/body characteristics. Pretty interesting.

Cath, if you decide to do more related artifacts, here are some suggestions that could perhaps be a Neanderthal add-on pack:
Leather sling (stone thrower) and stone
Non-flinted spear. Some early Neanderthals are thought to have used sharpened sticks for spears with fire-hardened tips.
Some simple wooden bowls and cups, simple baskets
Fur ground covers
Some animal bones, as meal remains and femur and jaw bones for weapons
Maybe some semi-carcass food items
I like the cave and fire-ring ideas, too.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 11:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Mec4D - 20 July 2012 01:34 AM

...with this size of brain ...

Their brain case was larger than later man iirc, but the frontal lobes (used for logic processing) were supposedly smaller. The areas that were much larger then later man had to do with the senses. They were supposedly much better hunters in many basic ways, just not creative thinkers. They also didn’t use bows from the reading and documentaries on them I’ve seen (but maybe they’ve found out something different more updated…) The stone tools found hardly change over a 100k year period, being axes, hand spears, cutting implements. They also never developed the needle like later man so no conforming clothing, just loose furs etc.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 11:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Btw, if anyone does cave for living in, watch the roof height. If the roof is too low, the rock would heat up from the fire, weaken and eventually collapse. I’m guessing that is one thing people would pass on to their kids, how to pick a cave.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 12:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Neanderthal and Cro-magnon lived side by side during the Mesolithic and into the Neolithic stone age, but they were fundamentally different in both their body characteristics and tools/life styles. Since Neanderthal were much stockier they could handle the weather better then later man. That is, until later man developed the needle, tailored and layered clothing, which Neanderthal supposedly never did. Neanderthal’s diet was supposedly mostly protein and meat (found through analyzing the chemical makeup of their bones among other things.) They didn’t fish, harvest, and it is thought mostly went after big game rather then small, hunting from close quarters mostly lunging out from hiding spaces in woods. Later man had a much wider diet according to bone analysis (the proteins in the bone evidently are consistent with consuming plants and a wider variety of animals.)

Neanderthal skeletons also often had one arm more heavily boned then the other, indicating that it was used as a brace for a spear *a lot* and that the constant impact of that built up that arms bone density.

Neanderthal’s mid section being shorter and broader meant they didn’t have the flexibility of later man and through computer simulations it is believed they were very limited in both their turning at the waist, general agility, and running.

Because they it appears they didn’t preserve food, nor harvest it, they couldn’t support large groups, and archeological sites for Neanderthals indicate they were thinly spread out, and in groups of no more than a dozed or so.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Thanks Guys , well not for nothing Ron Perlman played in quest for fire movie smile he was the most authentic however they was looking more as hybrids between early humans and neanderthals doe to the high flat foreheads what neanderthals did not had at all but still cool movie ..I was working for some TV show but was canceled so decided to bring this guy into the community thanks to DON that reminds me about ..  and thanks to genesis you can mix him with other morphs and create unique variations for your scene so you will not end with just one look .

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Posted: 20 July 2012 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Mec, your Neandertal has an uncanny resemblance to my ex-boyfriend. Only your Neandertal is fun-sized :D Clearly my ex enjoys his modern diet…

Can’t wait. I LOVE all the extras you’re adding in, the hair and furs and everything, heee!

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Posted: 20 July 2012 12:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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The best to copy the actual cave where the bones was found , as before humans build very high rooms where they used fir places so the eventual smoke will accumulate higher , the room height change with the modern time as we skipped the fire places and stopping smoking lol now allow someone to smoke cigarette in a low ceiling room   , you will need a oxygen mask , in 1939 they build mostly 9-12 feet height rooms , I need to research more the caves before anyway . Some pictures show they burn fire outside the caves but it could be in the time when the climate was still very warm , after it changed to cooler I guess they go more deep inside to keep it more warm in colder nights , like today in West-north Spain, the days are not cold even in winter but the night temperatures drop more down however they was build for that , it is like here in New York , when the spring start after winter you see people walking like in summer already as it feel warm ,but in summer when the days are so hot and at night the temperatures drop to 60 you feel cold , the body can adjust to temperatures over time as our face that don’t need cover until it get very extreme cold , why you dress in cold time ? to burning minder calories, as the body burns double calories when is it very cold to keep the body warm and vice verse . Learning about others answer so many question you never would thinking about yourself as we see it as normal but that make a big sense .

I agree with you on the other post, they had shorter legs and massive hip bones , something that is not so good if you need to run fast , they used the muscle for everything they do so that like gym 24 h ,no cars, no couch no tv lol they need strong arms to kill the big animals for food however they love also sea food and living not only in caves but build a shelters they was advanced enough to be under homo sapiens neanderthalensis , our civilization make us smarter , everything we learn from each other , if we dont learn anything we would be on the same level without any language , if a modern human baby don’t learn speak in time the baby never will speak again when he grow up as the ability will be lost as speech is something we learn and are not born with .so a lot of interesting stuff I learned about modern humans in comparison while researching the subject of Neanderthals , the idea that people living outside Africa owe up to 4% of their DNA to Neanderthals is even more interesting , does that make us a different species ? the difference in DNA make the different species ,just wondering where it go next ..

Gedd - 20 July 2012 11:50 AM

Btw, if anyone does cave for living in, watch the roof height. If the roof is too low, the rock would heat up from the fire, weaken and eventually collapse. I’m guessing that is one thing people would pass on to their kids, how to pick a cave.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 01:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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That’s funny , In South-east Poland a lot of men living in the small villages was looking just like that, heavy bone builds, very short bellow 5’11 slope heads , big flat feed and short legs with addition of blond and ginger hair , just exactly
well myself I think my family got more the cro magnon features as we all area not bellow 5’11 and with the generation we grow to over 6 feet
what made us giant compared to the very short people around us , however some blond and black hair mixed with all eye colors from light blue to hazel as I have 5 siblings are of them have different hair color textures and eyes as my mother ancestors are from North Europe and my Father ancestors from South what a mixture ..lol

Syndaryl - 20 July 2012 12:13 PM

Mec, your Neandertal has an uncanny resemblance to my ex-boyfriend. Only your Neandertal is fun-sized :D Clearly my ex enjoys his modern diet…

Can’t wait. I LOVE all the extras you’re adding in, the hair and furs and everything, heee!

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Posted: 20 July 2012 03:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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It’s so cool seeing how much interest this Neanderthal is generating. Quest for Fire is one of my all-time favorite movies, and the book was quite good tho fairly different from the movie.

About add-on props again:
A spear, with or without flint head, that is not a perfect cylinder, more twisted, a few knobs.
A deer antler-tip for knapping, and a roundish hammer-stone. Some flint blanks?
A fire drill stick and base (without the bow).
Maybe a fur wrap/loincloth without the over-the-shoulder part. Useful for more articulated posing.

I have searched hi and lo for good cave models and only found a few that are just adequate. So a good cave would be wonderful. Most occupied caves were limestone. A ceiling about twice the height of a man is minimal for smoke dispersal. A cave should have some outside foreground.

Maybe someone could do new and better savannah backdrops for the Cyclorama/DAZ Environment?

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Posted: 20 July 2012 04:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Looks fantastic, Cath, really looking forward to this.

Mec4D - 20 July 2012 12:57 PM

if a modern human baby don’t learn speak in time the baby never will speak again when he grow up as the ability will be lost as speech is something we learn and are not born with

Although we’re finding out that this isn’t as true as we used to think—people used to say the speech window closed at 5 or 6, but it’s possible when you’re older, although more difficult.  My sister-in-law is autistic and learned to speak at 10.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 07:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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that is different case she was around the people from the beginning, I was talking about children that was not exposed to the language or civilization after 6 years of age so called Feral Children

fixmypcmike - 20 July 2012 04:20 PM

Looks fantastic, Cath, really looking forward to this.

Mec4D - 20 July 2012 12:57 PM

if a modern human baby don’t learn speak in time the baby never will speak again when he grow up as the ability will be lost as speech is something we learn and are not born with

Although we’re finding out that this isn’t as true as we used to think—people used to say the speech window closed at 5 or 6, but it’s possible when you’re older, although more difficult.  My sister-in-law is autistic and learned to speak at 10.

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Posted: 21 July 2012 08:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Wow Cath this looks so amazing!  Really looking forward to this - will there be a Mrs. Neanderthal as well? grin  I am so excited to hear you are taking on a project like this, your work is always so admirable.  Thanks for the work that you do grin

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