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3D Model Master Training - Is it worth it?
Posted: 21 August 2012 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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By the way, on a hunch, I did a few minutes (well, maybe two minutes) of searching on the internet, and found out that the “instructor” is also an “expert” in online marketing. So not only can he teach you how to be a 3D expert, he can help you become a millionaire in 3 easy steps….

http://www.waldemarbelwon.com/about/

Swedish porn, online marketing, 3D graphics….

I’m sold.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 05:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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Time & money are both important to me, and don’t want to waste either one.

If booksbydavid, Garstor, and anikad think it’s worth time and money “bottom line”, then I have
to seriously consider purchasing. Especially now that the price is only $57.

(edit to add)  Garstor, would you say that you got something worthwhile out of it? I got that impression,
Maybe you need to do the Light Master program to fully assess the worth?  Would you do it over again?
Just didn’t want to misrepresent what you were saying. Even if he “runs on”, is the info worth your time and money?

If it will improve my 3D skills and make me more efficient at modeling, lighting, etc.
then I can justify the purchase.

One thing that impressed me was all the stuff he sells at DAZ. Looks pretty professional.

(mull, mull, mull)

Ok, decided to get it. wink

 

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Posted: 21 August 2012 06:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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megacal - 21 August 2012 05:45 PM

Ok, decided to get it. wink

Hey, I think that’s Step 1 in his Three Steps to Becoming a Millionaire !!! Get a bunch of 3D guys to believe you’re an awesome 3D instructor.

Y’know, he may have something…where to I sign up?

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Posted: 21 August 2012 06:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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megacal - 21 August 2012 05:45 PM

Time & money are both important to me, and don’t want to waste either one.

If booksbydavid, Garstor, and anikad think it’s worth time and money “bottom line”, then I have
to seriously consider purchasing. Especially now that the price is only $57.

(edit to add)  Garstor, would you say that you got something worthwhile out of it? I got that impression,
Maybe you need to do the Light Master program to fully assess the worth?  Would you do it over again?
Just didn’t want to misrepresent what you were saying. Even if he “runs on”, is the info worth your time and money?

If it will improve my 3D skills and make me more efficient at modeling, lighting, etc.
then I can justify the purchase.

One thing that impressed me was all the stuff he sells at DAZ. Looks pretty professional.

(mull, mull, mull)

Ok, decided to get it. wink

 

If you get access to any of the other materials on the Dreamlight site get them! There are a large number of videos concerning everything from lighting to postwork done for the Dreamlight club by other people. There’s some very useful information there. I found the video tutorials on postwork to be especially helpful.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 06:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Starting to download the files, and will get back with my first impressions asap.
First, need a big cup of Starbucks! smile

BTW, Joe,
have you ever considered putting together a set of tutorials? E.g. workarounds,
like using a gel instead of caustics to speed up a render…....“Carrara 8 Tips N Tricks”.

I bet they would sell like ice cream on a hot day…....“I’m just sayin’”  smile

There are a large number of videos concerning everything from lighting to postwork done for the Dreamlight club by other people. There’s some very useful information there. I found the video tutorials on postwork to be especially helpful.

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Thanks! Will get all I can out of it. wink

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Posted: 21 August 2012 07:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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megacal - 21 August 2012 06:25 PM

I bet they would sell like ice cream on a hot day…....“I’m just sayin’”

Thanks, but folks here don’t take my advice when it’s free, why would they pay for it? Plus I don’t really need the money, and if I did charge you guys couldn’t afford me…  smile

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Posted: 21 August 2012 08:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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folks here don’t take my advice when it’s free,

....more than you know.

why would they pay for it?

....to learn something new.

Plus I don’t really need the money, and if I did charge you guys couldn’t afford me

....that’s the kicker.

But that goes for several others here that could probably sell tutorials if they wanted to take the time
to do them. But since DAZ takes 50%, I know it’s difficult to make it worth your while.

I’d like to see a whole set on animation, or modeling, or rendering, or lighting…...to really go into depth
on each area. I think it’s a niche that needs filling.

BTW,  listened to the first few videos for Model Master…....he definitely takes his time getting there, but
as long as he gets there. He speaks English very well and clearly….....Scandinavian accent?

Need more coffee. smile

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Posted: 21 August 2012 08:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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megacal - 21 August 2012 06:25 PM

I bet they would sell like ice cream on a hot day…....“I’m just sayin’”

Thanks, but folks here don’t take my advice when it’s free, why would they pay for it? Plus I don’t really need the money, and if I did charge you guys couldn’t afford me…  smile


It would be like stealing his 3D skills! I think the course would have the same tone as the history teacher scene from Back To School, starring Rodney Dangerfield.  LOL

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Posted: 21 August 2012 11:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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“You don’t purchase training based solely on advertising,”

I like how Joe thinks we’re all idiots smile I bought the material because the dude has actually produced results in his own work. Yes, he is into network marketing, so you do have to question motivation and how genuine he is (we all no network marketers have a reputation), but the fact he has fingers in various pies is in and of itself not enough to throw the course away.

The course has certainly taught me a lot of things that would have taken a lot longer to learn on my own with a manual. It also trumps other YouTube (and the like) tutorials in that it is a progression from beginning to end in terms of basic content creation processes. That is what I like about course material, it is all there in one location. Unfortunately it isn’t always detailed enough, so that’s where all those other tutorials come in.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 03:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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Like I said, jimzombie, it’s up to you. There are alternatives out there, and if you think this is the best one, then go right ahead. I never said the course has zero value. That’s not the point. The point is whether you’d get a much greater bang for your buck with another program.

I can pretty much guarantee there are courses out there taught by guys who are much better instructors with far more appropriate and practical experience, at comparable prices. Would you rather be taught lighting by this guy, or a guy who worked for 15 years at Disney, and also taught the artists who worked on some of their major films? It’s up to you. All I can do is offer my advice, based on my experience. If you don’t want to take it, it really doesn’t matter to me. I ain’t the one payin’, and I ain’t the one complainin’ ....  smile

Funny, in some parts of the world people actually appreciate when others give advice that might help them out, or keep them from making a wrong turn. Not here. Here people argue with advice. Go figure. 

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Posted: 22 August 2012 05:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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megacal - 21 August 2012 08:40 PM

He speaks English very well and clearly….....Scandinavian accent?

Poilish living in Sweden. smile But yes Val (Dreamlight) is easy enough to understand for this english only speaker. wink

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Posted: 22 August 2012 07:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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No offense but I would not waste any time learning other than basic modeling INSIDE CARRARA. DAZ has a lot better app for that called HEXAGON and last time i checked its FREE! ANd worth every cent.. LOL!

If your set on Modeling in the vertex room in C, Mark Bremmers got a set of some excellent basic tutorials.

ALSO there are tons of modeling tutorials all over the web. YOUTUBE, Whats the name of that site with the name GEEKS at PLAY or something like that.

Also almost ALL modeling programs do the same basic stuff so if you watch a thing about MAYA head modeling it translates over very well indeed to HEX

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Posted: 22 August 2012 10:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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megacal - 21 August 2012 08:40 PM

I’d like to see a whole set on animation, or modeling, or rendering, or lighting…...to really go into depth on each area. I think it’s a niche that needs filling.

Here! Here! I’ll stuff the ballot box voting for that. More training options is a good thing. That also validates Joe’s statement about researching between different options before making a purchase.

Yes; the purchase is worth it at this price. Some stuff is really basic and we’ve thoroughly addressed the verbosity issues—but I have learned a few things and thus consider having received appropriate value for my $$$.

Joe: good find on Waldemar’s background…it explains a lot about his teaching style. You’ve been dismissive of this training from the get go; I understand your points though and agree with them for the most part. Given the online marketing and Swedish porn part of this guy’s life, it is easy to blow him off. Honestly; at first I thought I had wasted my money—given how long he took to explain concepts like points, edges and polygons. But the UV mapping module really did make up for that IMO.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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JoeMamma2000 - 22 August 2012 03:16 AM

Like I said, jimzombie, it’s up to you. There are alternatives out there, and if you think this is the best one, then go right ahead. I never said the course has zero value.

Many tutorials out there are unstructured. The nice thing about the IS and DL training packages is that the authors have built them in a way that they feel is approachable to a novice audience.

JoeMamma2000 - 22 August 2012 03:16 AM

I can pretty much guarantee there are courses out there taught by guys who are much better instructors with far more appropriate and practical experience, at comparable prices.

At the risk of being Wikipedian…citation please.

JoeMamma2000 - 22 August 2012 03:16 AM

Funny, in some parts of the world people actually appreciate when others give advice that might help them out, or keep them from making a wrong turn. Not here. Here people argue with advice. Go figure.

Not always. The presentation of the advice goes a long way towards people accepting it…

 

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Posted: 22 August 2012 11:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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RichardChaos - 22 August 2012 07:38 AM

No offense but I would not waste any time learning other than basic modeling INSIDE CARRARA. DAZ has a lot better app for that called HEXAGON and last time i checked its FREE! ANd worth every cent.. LOL!

Good point. The DL training does occasionally look at Hexagon. It has piqued my curiousity about learning more since it is definitely more powerful than the Carrara basic modeler.

I remain in awe at the work you have produced with Hex.

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