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3D Model Master Training - Is it worth it?
Posted: 21 August 2012 08:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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I have thus far completed most of Waldemar “model master”. It has been somewhat useful, but damn it was frustrating sitting through some of the more long-winded sections - get to the point already! I’ve lapsed on all my personal studies of late. A lot of what I learnt has stayed with me, but the way it was taught has faded into the mist. – seriously forgettable presentation.

I don’t so much mind all the extra marketing that comes along with signing up to Waldemar’s tutorials, but I seriously couldn’t care less about this damn Empower Network rot (network marketing BS). It isn’t spam, just occasionally annoying marketing material and techniques. His site, outside the main DL Lounge area, is hopeless if you are looking for anything in particular - it is all made for selling one particular product or another (lots of one way squeeze pages), so don’t lose the login URL you get emailed.

I totally agree that PhilW’s training is superior, but that is based entirely on seeing only half a dozen trial videos (should be enough to gauge the quality). I like how Phil uses “set assignments” and lots of good practical instruction.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 11:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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jimzombie - 21 August 2012 08:00 AM

I have thus far completed most of Waldemar “model master”. It has been somewhat useful, but damn it was frustrating sitting through some of the more long-winded sections - get to the point already!

I am glad to see that I am not the only one with that opinion. When he does make a point, it is usually a good. Then he makes the point again…and again…and again…  grin

jimzombie - 21 August 2012 08:00 AM

A lot of what I learnt has stayed with me, but the way it was taught has faded into the mist. – seriously forgettable presentation.

Again, totally agree here. The long-winded lectures are very taxing. I tend to perk up and pay more attention once he is demo-ing in Lightwave or Carrara. Tell me something, then show it to me…it has a better chance of sticking with me.

jimzombie - 21 August 2012 08:00 AM

I totally agree that PhilW’s training is superior, but that is based entirely on seeing only half a dozen trial videos (should be enough to gauge the quality). I like how Phil uses “set assignments” and lots of good practical instruction.

Yep, the big gain with what Phil did was to do complete projects from start to finish…the furniture set, the Sopwith Camel, etc. Seeing Carrara in action for “real work” definitely went a long way in my education.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 01:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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megacal - 19 August 2012 06:45 PM

Well, after mulling it over & weighing the pros & cons, decided to push the button and
get it (putting my money where my mouth is), but too late,  looks like it’s back up to full price. =(

Too bad.


Later…..emailed Waldemar and asked for a special dispensation for anyone who
wants to purchase for $96….......hope to hear back soon and will let you know.

Cross your fingers. smile

He has it for sale at $57 on his website if you use this link: http://www.dream-lounge.com/dreamlightclub/modelmaster/get_modelmaster.htm only for the next 48 hours though. I wouldn’t buy his stuff via daz, the prices tend to be higher than his website and you don’t get automatic access like you do if you buy via him. You do get the 30 money-back guarantee from Daz though.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 01:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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anikad - 21 August 2012 01:34 PM

He has it for sale at $57 on his website if you use this link: http://www.dream-lounge.com/dreamlightclub/modelmaster/get_modelmaster.htm only for the next 48 hours though. I wouldn’t buy his stuff via daz, the prices tend to be higher than his website and you don’t get automatic access like you do if you buy via him. You do get the 30 money-back guarantee from Daz though.

I saw that email too. I was amused by the line, “....and you’re literally STEALING my years of experience and knowledge.”

Uhm…no…you’re selling it for $57! LOL

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Posted: 21 August 2012 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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He really does seem to have a flair for the melodrama. I’m taking the 3d pin-up class and I too have noticed the long winded nature of the lectures. He is very good but he could do with an editor.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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anikad - 21 August 2012 01:58 PM

He really does seem to have a flair for the melodrama. I’m taking the 3d pin-up class and I too have noticed the long winded nature of the lectures. He is very good but he could do with an editor.

I am mildly curious about that class and if it is worth it. I have the “Light Master” classes since they were offered as a bonus to the Model Master stuff (haven’t looked at them yet).

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Posted: 21 August 2012 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Garstor - 21 August 2012 02:02 PM
anikad - 21 August 2012 01:58 PM

He really does seem to have a flair for the melodrama. I’m taking the 3d pin-up class and I too have noticed the long winded nature of the lectures. He is very good but he could do with an editor.

I am mildly curious about that class and if it is worth it. I have the “Light Master” classes since they were offered as a bonus to the Model Master stuff (haven’t looked at them yet).

I took the Light Master course. Found it very helpful.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 03:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Garstor - 21 August 2012 02:02 PM

I am mildly curious about that class and if it is worth it. I have the “Light Master” classes since they were offered as a bonus to the Model Master stuff (haven’t looked at them yet).

I consider it to be worth it with light master but I don’t know that if I already had light master I would buy it.

I’m a complete newbie, so I know nothing. In the first module I took away that different poses look more masculine than feminine, so if you are creating a 3d pin up you want her to look soft and feminine. He also talked about how curves were feminine, so you would want to highlight the curves rather than harsh angles. I’ve not gone through the next module on lighting yet.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 04:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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anikad,

thanks for the link to the $57 offer….....verrry tempting.

It says the bonuses are good for 90 days.

The Light Master is a “bonus”.....does it time out in 90 days or is it a set of videos to keep?

Mulling again. tongue rolleye

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Posted: 21 August 2012 04:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Guys, there’s a reason he’s being long winded…he doesn’t have much to say, but he wants to be able to advertise “20 hours of training” or whatever.

Like I said before, anyone can proclaim to be an expert and offer training. Many are clueless, and when they are teaching newbies who don’t know any better they can say whatever they want and people think it’s awesome and helpful.

You don’t purchase training based solely on advertising, or on some other guy saying “I thought it was helpful”. For many, many reasons. But as long as you do that, you’ll get results that might be less than useful, and you’re more likely to be disappointed. Look at the “instructor’s” background, his expertise and experience as an instructor, his experience working as a professional in the industry where real skill matters, and do some basic research before parting with your money on a whim.

So you mean different poses look more masculine than feminine? Wow. He must be a totally awesome expert.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 04:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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megacal - 21 August 2012 04:16 PM

The Light Master is a “bonus”.....does it time out in 90 days or is it a set of videos to keep?

The first thing that I did after purchasing was download every video that I had access to.  grin

I think that the “90 day bonus” concerns access to their forums. I haven’t used that yet…and may not ever…I am primarily interested in the videos.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 04:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Garstor - 21 August 2012 02:02 PM

I am mildly curious about that class and if it is worth it. I have the “Light Master” classes since they were offered as a bonus to the Model Master stuff (haven’t looked at them yet).

I consider it to be worth it with light master but I don’t know that if I already had light master I would buy it.

I’m a complete newbie, so I know nothing. In the first module I took away that different poses look more masculine than feminine, so if you are creating a 3d pin up you want her to look soft and feminine. He also talked about how curves were feminine, so you would want to highlight the curves rather than harsh angles. I’ve not gone through the next module on lighting yet.


And here I thought it was about the boobs! red face

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Posted: 21 August 2012 04:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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JoeMamma2000 - 21 August 2012 04:22 PM

Guys, there’s a reason he’s being long winded…he doesn’t have much to say, but he wants to be able to advertise “20 hours of training” or whatever.

Possibly but then it could have more do to with English not being his first language.

Like I said before, anyone can proclaim to be an expert and offer training. Many are clueless, and when they are teaching newbies who don’t know any better they can say whatever they want and people think it’s awesome and helpful.

I don’t really care whether he’s proclaiming to be an expert or not, I’m not one to fall for advertising. He’s teaching me something that I don’t know and that is what I’m looking for. His classes don’t work for you great, but there is no need to look down your nose at the people who buy is classes.

You don’t purchase training based solely on advertising, or on some other guy saying “I thought it was helpful”. For many, many reasons. But as long as you do that, you’ll get results that might be less than useful, and you’re more likely to be disappointed. Look at the “instructor’s” background, his expertise and experience as an instructor, his experience working as a professional in the industry where real skill matters, and do some basic research before parting with your money on a whim.

Wait are you complaining people are impulse buying? On Daz 3d’s forums? Really? Wow. Anyway to be serious why are you asuming that everyone who buys his stuff, does so without doing any research? If it was based solely on his advertising I wouldn’t have bought the course. I did my research and then I waited until he was selling his class at a price I was prepared to pay.

So you mean different poses look more masculine than feminine? Wow. He must be a totally awesome expert.

Well it may not be news to you but it was something I hadn’t considered. We can’t all be such great experts as you right off the bat, and we don’t all have time to trawl the internet look for instructions seeing as Daz doesn’t believe in user manuals.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 04:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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evilproducer - 21 August 2012 04:36 PM

And here I thought it was about the boobs! red face

Understandable; because that is definitely how he is marketing that training. Apparently, in addition to being an awesome expert (emphasis added for JoeMamma smile ) modeler and instructor, he was also a cameraman in the Swedish porn industry.

Some of the emails I have received from him promoting the pin-up class had me LMAO.

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Posted: 21 August 2012 05:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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anikad, I’m merely suggesting that people be a little skeptical and do a little bit of research before parting with their money. That is good advice no matter what you are buying. How you can get upset and offended at that kind of advice is beyond me.

There are alternatives. You could choose to spend $100 on training class A, or spend the same $100 on training class B. If B is far better than A, but your attitude is you’d gladly spend your money on A because “hey, at least I learned something from training class A”, then that’s up to you. I’m merely suggesting you try to find training class B in the first place. If you don’t agree, that’s up to you.

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