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Posted: 24 August 2012 04:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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yes but pipeline was $300 extra!!! then there is the mocap pugin, will need to dig out my laptop and use my Windows mail client to see the newsletters,
might take a while, I have not used it for about a month, will have 1000’s of messages!
(I read and delete them on Android)
yes if you just want 3DX5 & iC5pro there are other deals

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Posted: 24 August 2012 04:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Posted: 24 August 2012 04:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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wendy♥catz - 24 August 2012 04:27 AM

yes but pipeline was $300 extra!!! then there is the mocap pugin, will need to dig out my laptop and use my Windows mail client to see the newsletters,
might take a while, I have not used it for about a month, will have 1000’s of messages!
(I read and delete them on Android)
yes if you just want 3DX5 & iC5pro there are other deals

Does the 3DX4 work with iC5pro? That seems to be the only one DAZ have for sale….

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Posted: 24 August 2012 04:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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no, 3dx4 will import fbx files as props with animation or non-human with manually keyfamed movement using motion editor only but not retarget Daz figures or export anything also lots of incompatibility issues with iC5 esp iC5 avatars and prop import, really only works with iC4
Checked newsletters, all mine were limited time offers based on what I had purchased etc, unless Bigh can provide a link,
you really need iC5pro and iC3Dx5pro minimum to work with Daz figures
http://www.reallusion.com/store/purchase_ic.aspx

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Posted: 24 August 2012 05:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Thanks for the info and the link Wendy!

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Posted: 24 August 2012 05:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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ok, logged out of Reallusion, 3Dx5 pro is $139.97 iC5 pro is also $139.97 but buying one may get you a better deal on the other, it usually does
pipeline is $349 (was 500) so the Daz deal basically gets you the mocap plugin ( $139.95) thrown in free plus you need to buy a kinect.

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Posted: 24 August 2012 09:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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And you need Kinect for Windows, if you wish to use it comercially in iClone 5 Pro.
http://www.reallusion.com/iclone/iclone_mocap_features.aspx
I have only Kinect for Xbox, so I can use OpenNI version of drivers for commercial usage.
Open NI version does not support head, hands and feet movement.

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Posted: 24 August 2012 04:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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wendy♥catz - 24 August 2012 05:11 AM

ok, logged out of Reallusion, 3Dx5 pro is $139.97 iC5 pro is also $139.97 but buying one may get you a better deal on the other, it usually does
pipeline is $349 (was 500) so the Daz deal basically gets you the mocap plugin ( $139.95) thrown in free plus you need to buy a kinect.

Pipeline $349? I looked just last night and it was $499 for PC Members.

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Posted: 24 August 2012 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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ok, logged out of Reallusion, 3Dx5 pro is $139.97 iC5 pro is also $139.97 but buying one may get you a better deal on the other, it usually does
pipeline is $349 (was 500) so the Daz deal basically gets you the mocap plugin ( $139.95) thrown in free plus you need to buy a kinect.

Pipeline $349? I looked just last night and it was $499 for PC Members.

that’s from the iClone site I think….

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Posted: 24 August 2012 04:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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As usual I am getting confused. Different prices different names, fluffy descriptions. :(

I have found iClone 5 Animation suite at $359, normally RRP $599. So. Different name, different RRP (s0 far I have only seen Plpeline at $499 for Plat Club members, claimed RRP $899), , but it looks to contain the same stuff as Pipeline.

Is this the same product?

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Posted: 24 August 2012 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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is that JUST for the Pipeline program or set of software though?
as I said, you need 3DXchange5 pro AND iClone 5pro at the absolute minimum to use it with Daz figures.
3dxchange pipeline is an advanced version of 3dxchane 5 pro which does fbx and bvh export which you need to get motions out of iClone.
likewise you need the mocap plugin AND a kinect to do mocap
thr pipeline BUNDLE is $500 for Platinum club members which is the 3 programs needed for mocap export.
iClone 5 pro
iClone 3Dxchange 5 pipeline
mocap plugin with Gorf’s world
you cannot do anything with the last two alone, they are addons for the first, iClone 5 pro
so you cannot compare apples with oranges, I quoted the Reallusion prices for each, they have some extra bundles with content but you STILL need iClone 5 pro as the starter program.

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Posted: 24 August 2012 08:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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I am sorry if it is sounding “fluffy” due to the simillar names
you need to look at the comparison charts for each and study it carefully to see exactly what you get

also
it depends just what you want it for
if it is JUST mocap to use in Daz studio, you are better off getting ipisoft or one of Truebone’s variations.
or consider Brekel which is free.

iClone itself is a really easy to use moviemaking software with included figures and content such as props and motions designed for animation, not 3D art, so lowpoly game engine styled to emulate Machinima which is movies made using game mods.
many people made movies using Sims3 and other games,  iClone is a specific animation program based on that concept.
others include Moviestorm,.The Movies, Xtranormal etc

it has realtime GPU (graphics card based rendering)
so is much faster than a 3D art program if somewhat limited in what you can render but as I said, aimed at animation, not Art.

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Posted: 24 August 2012 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Thanks for the replies.

Its a bit fluffy, both beccuse so many offers are made, but, I hate to say a bit like Daz’s the site is all over the place..some referecnes say one sthing, others say different stuff, and Daz’s description is different again…. However.

For $359 (Summer sale price) on the reallusion site you get “Pipeline Animation Suite”.
iClone Mocap Animation Suite
  iClone5 PRO
  3DXchange5 PRO
  Mocap Device Plug-in
Free Bonus:
  iClone5 Training DVD
  3DXchange5 Resource Pack
  Gorf’s Wonderland Pack

Fore $699 (iI think a special but not summer sale) on Reallusion’s site you get iClone Pipeline
This is what is at Daz for $499.

Part of my confusion is that somebody said that Pipeline was available for $349. THAT is the one I certainly cannot find.

D’OH I found a site that compared apples with the above apples but I can’t find it now.

AH!

This bundle includes:
  iClone5 PRO
  3DXchange5 Pipeline
  Mocap Device Plug-in
  Free Bonus:
  iClone5 Training DVD
  iClone5 G5 Outfits
  Character Designer’s Resource Pack
  Gorf’s Wonderland Combo Pack
List: $899.85 Now $699.00

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Posted: 24 August 2012 11:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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yes confusing but you have to look at the different versions of the induvidual programs too
iClone 5 standard (very limited) iClone 5 pro (needed for most things requiring outside content)
iC3dx5 ok to get static and animated props into iClone 5, not characters that use imotions
iC3dx5 pro gets static and animated props in can retarget other figures bones to use iMotions
iC3dx5 pipeline gets static and animated props in can retarget other figures bones to use imotions can export animated rigged figures and motions from iClone to other software,
none sofar add facial movement to Daz figures
but this is promised as a future addon, will be limited I believe though, no morphing

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Posted: 25 August 2012 03:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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That’s wonderful thanks Wendy (hope I can call you that?). I had not even noticed the different 3Dxchange versions!

Sorry, but it was you who said that “Pipeline is $349, was $500”. I am assuming that is just the Pipeline programme. Reading your post in the light of my new understanding I think I see that you are saying that buying the bundle at the PC Club price of $500 basically gets you a “free” MoCap software (implication that if you pay $349 for Pipeline, then you still have to get 3dxchange pipeline and mocap)....but mocap is not much use without the Kinect for Windows (???)

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