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Posted: 19 July 2012 06:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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AtticAnne - 19 July 2012 03:40 PM
Entering contests (and winning) is a horse of a different color.

No need for 3D software for that.... Photoshop will do it. cool grin
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Posted: 24 July 2012 06:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Gedd - 19 July 2012 03:17 PM
This is a bit of wishful thinking, but...

I have found the posing competition fun and a great learning experience. This inspired me to think how it could be extended. What came to mind was, an idea where there were levels; beginning, intermediate and advanced in each of the different areas; posing, lighting, texturing, modeling, and composition. In the beginning level, show basic skills, intermediate show more advanced skills, and at the advanced level, show reinterpretation. The contests would have some minimum number of people to sign up for them (like maybe 5 people) so that people aren't winning by default.

Now, here's one of the fun parts in this idea. for each area one wins a competition, they get a letter under their name, L (lighting,) T (texturing,) P (posing,) M (modeling,) and C (composition.) The letters could be color coded for the level they've passed through. It would be much more interesting then green boxes showing how many times someone posed.

For this to work, there'd have to be a lot more contests, and I doubt the people running them have that kind of time unfortunately, but one can dream wink

Gedd, I love this idea, although I agree with the consensus that it's probably not feasible right now, at least not exactly as you described it. But if you consider all the different contests that happen here...New User, weekly Platinum Club contests, monthly galleries (once they start up again), RRRR, Freepository contests, and various one-off contests, it may not be necessary to introduce additional intermediate or advanced-level contests. What if all of these existing contests gave out "badges" to winners...something like the letters under your name that you mentioned? I've seen this sort of thing on other forums.

Another take on this concept is certifications...if you win a new user contest or otherwise demonstrate a certain level of skill in a given discipline, the powers that be (maybe forum moderators?) can decide to give you a certification in that discipline. It would be nice for advanced members to be able to "collect" certifications, and nice for new users to be able to see who are the recognized experts in various areas... This would be like making someone a Peer Mentor, but that status should be publicly viewable.

Don't know whether the forums have the ability to do this sort of thing, but I think it would be cool.
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Posted: 24 July 2012 08:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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AtticAnne - 19 July 2012 04:02 PM
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AtticAnne - 19 July 2012 03:40 PM
..Entering contests (and winning) is a horse of a different color...


Yes, that's why I believe there would have to be a lot more contests for it to work (as in a lot more often) for it to work. If it isn't fun though, it isn't worth it.

The part about the post boxes encouraging you to become involved is a good point. I wouldn't change that feature if it helps encourage people smile

The part about people being new is tricky. Many of us might not have had time to really participate in a meaningful way in 3D graphics till recently for instance, but might have had other involvement that contributes to our art. Photography, 2D art, crafts, gardening, hairdressing or modeling even. Anything artistic can contribute to our artwork in 3D... so, if we bring in skills from other areas but haven't a lot of hours under our belt doing 3D are we new?


For me, fun is playing with dials for my own amusement. Contests are scary, as is exposing my lack of knowledge.

I don't think bringing in skills from other areas would disqualify anyone from being new. Never using Studio before definitely would qualify one as new. A large part of it depends on the person's own assessment of their skills and comfort level. Some of may consider ourselves new for years; others jump right into the other forums without giving it a second thought.

Yeah, at first I had mixed feelings about the fact that "New User" isn't really defined, and in effect the contest is open to anyone aside from those who have already won it twice, but after thinking about it, I think this is probably a good thing. It's better to include people who might not necessarily be "new" in terms of join date, but still consider themselves beginners when it comes to using the software.

Personally, I've been using DAZ Studio for almost half a year, but with no prior 3D experience (and lacking talent in other visual arts) I definitely still consider myself a "new user" and probably will for a while. I've become fairly comfortable using presets and pre-made items (poses, textures, shaders and surface settings, lighting, cameras, and of course models), but I'm only beginning to venture into the realm of attempting to do some of these things from scratch.

If you find one finds this contest intimidating, it might help to think of it as a workshop rather than a competition. Yes, there's a prize, but it's more about learning new skills rather than winning or losing. Prior to this contest I'd never done a pose from scratch, and had only infrequently attempted to modify preset poses. I've learned so much in this contest--I'm proud of my first entry and have high hopes for my second. Not sure whether I'll be in the running for a prize--I see lots of excellent entries and WIP's--but if I am, it's primarily due to the what I've learned in the effort. And if not, at least I've expanded my skills and raised the bar in terms of my own work. So either way, I definitely consider this a big win!

I understand where you are coming from, though. This is the first new user contest I've actually entered, but it's the third or fourth one I've thought about entering! The skill level shown by new user entries can be remarkably high. But if you enter, you might surprise yourself with how well you can do... smile

Edit: I should clarify that some of the above is intended as general advice to those who might be intimidated, rather than directed specifically towards you, AtticAnne. I know that you are participating already, and I'm looking forward to seeing where you go with it! smile
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Posted: 25 July 2012 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Saw this in the news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18977143 and thought it would be a cool idea for a new user contest: recreate a historical figure using DAZ models. Could possibly be expanded to include contemporary celebrities and/or fictional characters. Maybe this has been done before, though...?
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Posted: 25 July 2012 03:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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That one might be hard to get going. Not all New users would have the Morph sets needed to do a contest like that.
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Posted: 25 July 2012 03:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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We actually did one similar last year. We gave them links to known photos of the DAZ_Staff and told them to use deformers etc to make caricatures. We had some fantastic results.
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Posted: 25 July 2012 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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I keep forgetting Deformers. And I just helped AtticAnne get into them. DUH.
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Posted: 25 July 2012 04:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Yes we didn't get a massive amount of entries, but the ones we did get were terrific. My fav was our Cindy, sadly missed, although Britney is great as well.

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Posted: 26 July 2012 08:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Jaderail - 25 July 2012 03:05 PM
That one might be hard to get going. Not all New users would have the Morph sets needed to do a contest like that.

That's true, although there are good free morph sets out there, like DieTrying's morphs for V4, and SickleYield's Genesis conversion of these.

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http://www.sharecg.com/v/58061/browse/11/Poser/182-Morphs-for-Victoria-4
http://www.sharecg.com/v/58198/

Maybe you're right, though...maybe it would be better as a non-New-User contest. A general contest, or maybe even one of Gedd's hypothetical intermediate-level contests...
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Posted: 26 July 2012 09:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Thanks for remembering, Jaderail. I think D-formers or parameter sliders could be fun.
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Posted: 26 July 2012 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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We did a deformers contest that went so so. We didn't have a lot of participation. I think it was a little to advanced to be suited for a new user contest. We may revisit it though sometime in the future.
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Posted: 27 July 2012 02:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Frank0314 - 26 July 2012 10:19 AM
We did a deformers contest that went so so. We didn't have a lot of participation. I think it was a little to advanced to be suited for a new user contest. We may revisit it though sometime in the future.

IIRC we got some great entries, there just weren't very many of them. It was the lowest amount of entries for any of the contests we ran last year...
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Posted: 27 July 2012 08:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Posted: 30 November 2012 09:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Idea for future contest: using the new features of DS4.5, such as instancing, motion blur, push modifier, and geometry shell. Some of these I've attempted without much success; others I've yet to try because I don't know where to start.

Not sure how this would work for those who use other software, though...if the same features exist in other programs, it might not be an issue. Could possibly include DSON/Genesis for Poser users, also.
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Posted: 04 December 2012 07:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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I would like to see the maximum size of the entries increase. A maximum of 800 pixels means that a lot of detail is being lost during compression when resizing.
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