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Posted: 14 July 2012 06:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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hi kendall…i know u know ur stuff…

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133382

i dont know much about video cards ...most of the advice and translations i get (for video card information) is coming for friends of mine ...that are gamers…i am not a gamer ..most of this is new to me…

would this be your personal ideal choice for this price range…or would spending a few more $$  be worth the upgarde ...?

3d art is not my business, but 3d art/daz paralells my greatest passions and i would like the experience to be as great as thge progarm is ... for the best value…

i guess i could expand my price range depending on the cost and value…some of the reviews on these cards are a bit confusing for me at my level of understanding

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Posted: 14 July 2012 07:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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filthian - 14 July 2012 06:16 PM

hi kendall…i know u know ur stuff…

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133382

i dont know much about video cards ...most of the advice and translations i get (for video card information) is coming for friends of mine ...that are gamers…i am not a gamer ..most of this is new to me…

would this be your personal ideal choice for this price range…or would spending a few more $$  be worth the upgarde ...?

3d art is not my business, but 3d art/daz paralells my greatest passions and i would like the experience to be as great as thge progarm is ... for the best value…

i guess i could expand my price range depending on the cost and value…some of the reviews on these cards are a bit confusing for me at my level of understanding

A lenovo branded version can be had here for $380US and it says free shipping to the 48Lower.

http://www.serversupply.com/products/part_search/pid_lookup.asp?pid=138916&gclid=CMD_yoe_mrECFeUBQAodfDOKeA

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EDIT:  The 2000D you’re looking at would definitely be one I’d buy at that price range.  But I wouldn’t be using it solely for DS.  As others have said: on paper the 2000D looks anemic to some of the gaming cards, but the gaming cards have many options shut off either through software or firmware.  Also, keep in mind that software like Maya, C4D, Lightwave, et al have software drivers tuned to take advantage of the extra processing channels opened up on these cards.

Performance on Direct* will not even be close on these as the gamer cards, so if you’re interested in M$ Tech performance, then you don’t want to spend the extra for these cards.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 07:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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i dont follow the “M$ Tech performance” ... not sure what u mean by this…

also trying to compare the quadro 2000d $429 from new egg -  to the lenovo you found…- are those both the same ...? or is the lenovo closer related to the quadro 2000 - for $399

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133382

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133353

http://shopap.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/hkweb/LenovoPortal/en_HK/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=460&Code=57Y4479&current-category-id=C81C5BB51B21465D96C353CC4CEF4801&tab=0#learnMore


also ...just using daz and zbrush for now…not sure what 3d art may grow into…so i was aiming for a little growing room with this purchse

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Posted: 14 July 2012 08:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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filthian - 14 July 2012 07:51 PM

i dont follow the “M$ Tech performance” ... not sure what u mean by this…

also trying to compare the quadro 2000d $429 from new egg -  to the lenovo you found…- are those both the same ...? or is the lenovo closer related to the quadro 2000 - for $399

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133382

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133353

http://shopap.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/hkweb/LenovoPortal/en_HK/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=460&Code=57Y4479&current-category-id=C81C5BB51B21465D96C353CC4CEF4801&tab=0#learnMore


also ...just using daz and zbrush for now…not sure what 3d art may grow into…so i was aiming for a little growing room with this purchse


M$ Tech Performance = Windows Specific Microsoft Technology (aka DirectX, Direct3D, etc)


You most likely don’t want the “D” version of the card as that is catering to the Medical Fields, with modes for DICOM and Hardware Grayscale reception from medical equipment.  You would want the 2000 series, which has the same base hardware but without the medical extras.


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Posted: 14 July 2012 08:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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k…maybe i got ya here…

the quadro “2000-pb” - $399 card is the same as the “2000d” - $429 card… but the d card is geared toward the medical field as you explained in the above…

is the “lenovo” link you sent the same as the quadro “2000-pb”...? sorry about the lack of my tech. knowledge here…

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Posted: 14 July 2012 08:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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filthian - 14 July 2012 08:16 PM

k…maybe i got ya here…

the quadro “2000-pb” - $399 card is the same as the “2000d” - $429 card… but the d card is geared toward the medical field as you explained in the above…

is the “lenovo” link you sent the same as the quadro “2000-pb”...? sorry about the lack of my tech. knowledge here…


From what I can gather the Lenovo is geared for server i/o and has a slightly faster RAM rate.  Otherwise, they are the same from all the information I can gather.


TigerDirect is listing the Lenovo card at $429.


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Posted: 17 July 2012 12:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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I’m not sure that buying a Quadro will speed up the viewport navigation but as it’s opengl driven that may be the case although the Nvidia certified drivers for DAZ are very old. As you have a Geforce 9800 gx2 you may try to softmod it to a quadro fx 3700 or 4700. It may work but I’m not sure. If I was you I’d give it a try since there is no risk of damaging your card.

The problem with Quadro 2000 is that it is a mid card and it’s spec are low. If you don’t plan to use it with softwares like 3DSMax, Maya or Mudbox with millions of polys, it should be OK. For Zbrush and DAZ, it may be better to have a big CPU and lots of RAM. In lots of case, the CPU is doing the job rather than the Gfx card

For Gpu rendering the best choice is to have a primary Gfx Card for the viewport and a Geforce Gtx 580 with 3Gb Vram for rendering if you use Octane. If you use Reality/Luxrender an ATI Card is better. When you do Gpu rendering with only one card, your display speed may slow down (not just in the 3D app but the entire OS) as the whole Gfx power will be used for rendering. That is why it would be good if you could softmod the 9800 gx2. You’ll only have to buy an additional card for Gpu rendering if it works. Otherwise I’d say you may have to buy two cards

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Posted: 17 July 2012 04:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Takeo.Kensei - 17 July 2012 12:15 AM

... and a Geforce Gtx 580 with 3Gb Vram ...

Very good information here Takeo.

The part about the ram and poly count or other areas like video editing is an often overlooked and important point. Another one is, if one decides to take their work into something like game design with Unity, etc.. VR, or even video, these environments follow ‘gaming’ usage.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 07:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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my cpu speccs

6 core = amd fx 6200 series

ram = 16gb ram

what is “softmod it to a quadro fx 3700 or 4700”...i will lokk into it ...but just asking anyway…?

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Posted: 17 July 2012 08:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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filthian, although it is good to have the 16gb system ram, we are talking about the ram on the video card itself. It effects how big of a scene you can load (polys, textures etc,) how fast your system slows to a crawl when in preview mode working on the image among other things.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 12:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Softmod is for software modification. Changing your Cpu clock with a software that allows you to do it is an example.
Here for your Gfx card it means changing your Hardware ID so that your OS thinks it’s an other card. In your case you want your OS to think that it has a Quadro instead of a Geforce. It will allow you to install the Quadro drivers which are specificaly made for 3D apps.


After having a look at the specs of the Quadro Fx 3700 and 4700 I’d say that you should mod to the Fx 4700 as it is a Quadro with two G92 GPU. It seems to be the closest to your card. So I’d try 4700 first then 3700 if it doesn’t work. The only problem you may face if it works is that you only have 2 x 512 Gb VRam on the card which may be limiting for big scenes.


About your specs, you should be good with 16Gb Ram and 6 cores. When do you have viewport problem?


Last point just to be sure it’s clear for you so that you make the good choice is, like Gedd said, the importance of Vram (aka Video Memory). For the viewport, having too few Gfx memory can give a performance penalty if the scene is too big. Same goes when rendering with your Gfx Card. The entire scene must be contained in your Graphic Card Memory when in CPU only rendering mode. There may be a possibility of hybrid rendering with gpu and cpu but you’ll get a performance penalty and there is not always such option in every renderers. So having a lot of Vram is a good thing


As I said earlier, you may end up buying two cards depending on your scenes. Just be aware that the Quadro 2000 has only 1Gb Vram and that can also be limiting for OpenGL preview in Viewport if you go for it.


There is an interesting Review of different systems here

And for Softmodding you can get what you need here

Btw just asking, will you use Octane or Luxrender or an other software?

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Posted: 17 July 2012 03:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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hi ... thanks for all the info guys…ithink this maybe falling into place soon…also communicating with k. sears…thru email…which is providing a ton of help as well…

maybe i should mention i am running linux - kubuntu 12.04 ... running DS4 , and others, under linux / wine

not sure how this changes things…

also…if the low vram knocks the quadro 2000 out of the picture…can u recommend a card that would help ... reguardless of price…but my initial range was around $500
i dont want to be greedy with spending but i dont want to purchase a mistake as well…lots of advice was given that i may not be able to use these types of cards to their full potential…but then again if it would make the experience more comfortable…it would be worth it in my book…using ds4 - zbrush - luzrender / reality (plus futre apps. as i learn more)

as for the viewport lag issues…it seems it maybe the lack of opengl support by my gx2 9800 ... sa well as the low vram…combined issues

thanks again everybody for the help

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Posted: 17 July 2012 05:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Softmodding is not going to help here.  He’s using Linux and softmodding is only marginally helpful under Windows.


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Posted: 18 July 2012 12:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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filthian - 17 July 2012 03:54 PM

maybe i should mention i am running linux - kubuntu 12.04 ... running DS4 , and others, under linux / wine

not sure how this changes things…

That changes a lot of thing

I’m not very familiar with wine. The problem with emulators/virtual machines is how they handle 3D Hardware acceleration. I don’t know the status on this subject in Wine.

As far as I know you should go Nvidia, because the is a better support for Linux. My experiments in Linux with Graphic Cards is rather old so I’m not certain with ATI
I’ve looked at Nvidia driver page. the driver package is the same for Quadro and Geforce. But can’t be sure they use the same driver. As I didn’t find opengl benchmark under linux that is a bit difficult to give an answer. I’d say that you should either buy a Quadro 4000 or a Gtx 580 with 3Gb Vram. The big question is wether there is a performance gain under linux with the Quadro. Have to dig up that

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Posted: 18 July 2012 08:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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For just about any 3D program. I am talking Daz, Poser, Bryce, Vue, C4D I always use Nvidia. And at the moment the best but I mean very best bang for your buck is the MSI GTX-TI 550 especially in SLI. I have built several machines with them and have two of my own and I can is it is a dream.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127573

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