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Posted: 13 July 2012 03:29 PM   [ Ignore ]
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hi im looking at purchasing 1 of these video cards…or something within this price range of 300-500$$...

i hear nvidia is the best for daz studio

just posting here to see if any one has some advice that could help me make a decision…i use ds4…and its the main concern

1 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130782
2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787
3 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130785
4 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130797

from .... http://www.newegg.com

also i noticed the “texel” differences ... but im not sure what it means…didnt have much luck with research…yet…
and ...for daz what would be most important…2gb of ram with higher video processing speed….or 4gb of ram with lower processing speed
any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

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Posted: 13 July 2012 03:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Are you also wanting it for gaming? If not then those are probably overkill, unless you plan to make heavy use of LuxRender’s GPU assisted rendering. Or you want a supplemental heat source for your computer room.

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Posted: 13 July 2012 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Texel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texel_(graphics)

Additional info:
http://www.techimo.com/forum/graphics-cards-displays/18759-texels-versus-pixels.html

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Posted: 13 July 2012 08:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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not tryn for over kill…well maybe abit…

i had a good post with recommended info on the old forum…but had trouble back tracking it…so im starting again…

these were recommended to me by a friend of mine…with the price range of 300-500$$...

my goal is to get a card that will help with the real time veiw port rendering…and have editing be as smooth as possible…gpu assisted rendering as well

but…no gaming just art - design - and 3d stuff - daz

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Posted: 14 July 2012 01:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Are you using anything else 3D besides DS4? the majority of the features these cards offer will not be used by DS at all. DS only uses OpenGL for preview and that’s it, as far as I know it even uses an old version of OpenGL. In other words, any card will do. I’ve recently bought a new computer, brand new graphics card and guess what….. Everything still looks the same in DS. Ds only uses the ED features of your graphics card for preview, nothing else and as said, it doesn’t even use up to date features at all. If you don’t use the card for much else, buy a bit cheaper one.

As for nVidia being better, I don’t know, I’ve been using ATI with DS For a long time and it always has worked great. Seeing how little DS demands, it doesn’t matter at all. Never experienced any problems using ATI with DS. If you’re not heavily into gaming and other demanding 3D apps, then go for a category lower and even that will be overkill.

DS real time view rendering isn’t good at all, since it contrary to Poser, doesn’t support the features needed for that. Not every 3D app supports that or is good at that, so you first need to be sure if the apps you use even support it fully. In DS’s case you will be disappointed, your real time view will not look much better with a newer graphics card.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 08:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Richard Haseltine - 13 July 2012 03:48 PM

Or you want a supplemental heat source for your computer room.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 09:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Richard Haseltine - 13 July 2012 03:48 PM

unless you plan to make heavy use of LuxRender’s GPU assisted rendering.

In this case, AFAIK Radeon should be faster.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 11:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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It’s not a matter of Radeon being faster. It has to do with the video cards not being used by the renderers built into DAZ and Poser, they and most of the older renderers use the CPU for rendering. Newer renderers like Lux, Oxygen, etc use the GPU but last I saw, none were updated to work with the 6xx series from nvidia yet. Eventually they will be ofc, if not already but it’s something to keep in mind. For 3D work I personally would not use Radeon but would stick with nvidia for too many reasons to illiterate, but basically nvidia tends to focus on workstation type 3D applications whereas Radeon tends to focus on multimedia and so is usually the better choice for a multimedia box.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 12:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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It comes down to personal preference. My last computer had a Radeon and I had nothing but problems with it. I had to replace it while it was under warranty 3 times. I have always been a nVidia fan. I now how the nVidia GeForce GTX570 2560MB. It is a fantastic card but pricy. I do this for a living so the extra money is worth it.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 03:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I was talking only about the GPU rendering in Lux and SLG using OpenCL: for this I bought a 7950, and it’s working very good:)
(DAZ works good with it too:) )

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Posted: 14 July 2012 04:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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right now im using a gx2 9800 512ram (the red one)...

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Posted: 14 July 2012 04:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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With either manufacturer’s gaming/consumer cards and OpenGL you take your chances.  Both companies have been guilty lately of breaking their OpenGL layers in their consumer drivers lately—several times each.  The focus on Direct* in those cards has really affected the quality of the OpenGL subsystems.  If one’s focus is on non-gaming then one should be vigilant when wandering into the cards optimized for gaming.  While the GPUs may be the same, the software/firmware isn’t.


This is why I stick to the “high end”  cards, as OpenGL is what those cards are supposed to do and they take pains to make sure that they don’t screw up on them.  Neither Company wants to lose a spot in the “Recommended Compatible” lists with the “Big Boy” software companies.


For me, the extra cost is made up in stability.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 04:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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There have been ‘patches’ in the past for the nvidia cards to open them up to the capabilities of their pro level cards as it is a driver/software issue rather than hardware. The hardware is a fraction of the cost of the pro cards for equivalent or better, but nvidia is charging for different types of usage for that hardware effectively. I don’t know if this will work with the 6xx cards as nvidia is trying to separate their pro and gamer cards more supposedly with this generation of cards. Again, not in hardware capabilities as much as being able to operate in a given environment.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 05:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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i did some research on the gaming/non gaming cards…it seems the quadro is recommended and liked ...for nvidia….even the cards in the price rang of $300-500

- does anyone have a recommendation from this point….assuming a workstation card is the way to go…. (3d = daz studio and zbrush…. for now)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006662&isNodeId=1&Description=nvidia+quadro&x=0&y=0


the specs seem lower but i dont really comprehend all of the specs..thats why im here…lol

ps - i never plan to play a pc game with this graphics card

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filthian - 14 July 2012 05:37 PM

i did some research on the gaming/non gaming cards…it seems the quadro is recommended and liked ...for nvidia….even the cards in the price rang of $300-500

- does anyone have a recommendation from this point….assuming a workstation card is the way to go…. (3d = daz studio and zbrush…. for now)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006662&isNodeId=1&Description=nvidia+quadro&x=0&y=0


the specs seem lower but i dont really comprehend all of the specs..thats why im here…lol

ps - i never plan to play a pc game with this graphics card

You are correct, the specs are lower, as is the hardware compared to the consumer level card at the same price point. But without getting a driver off the internet that effectively unlocks the full functionality of the gaming card for 3D graphics, the quadro will be better suited for 3D graphics. Using a hacked driver has it’s own issues ofc.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 05:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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I’ve never had a single problem from my Quadros, regardless of OS.  The 2000 series in that list looks pretty enticing.


If you’re looking to do any GPU assisted rendering in the future, be sure to get a card with CUDA cores.


Remember, under Windows, DS will not benefit from the extra OpenGL acceleration provided by the Quadro, it’ll run just like on a gaming card.


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