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Posted: 15 April 2014 06:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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recepticle0 - 14 April 2014 04:22 PM

Ok,

Here is the first list of parts that my wife and I have been looking at. My research has not bean going very well and I am not positive that these parts will play nicely with each other. We seem to be configuring a middle of the road machine(!?)

Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Blue Edition - High Air Flow Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and All-Black Interior.

Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5” Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive.

CORSAIR RM Series RM1000 1000W ATX12V v2.31 and EPS 2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply.

ASUS Sabertooth X79 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard.

CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model CMZ32GX3M4X1866C10R.

Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770K.

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit (Slim Envelope)... whatever slim envelope means(!?).

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - CPU Cooler with 4 Direct Contact Heatpipes.

NVIDIA Tegra K1 Mobile Processor Quad-core, 4-Plus-1 ARM Cortex –A15 MPCore processor with NEON technology Low-power NVIDIA Kepler-based GeForce graphics processor (Not out yet!!!)

Please be brutally honest. I feel like im a bit out of my league with all this.

1000W PSU might be overkill for this system, if you were running two video cards possibly but your Video card choice is a dedicated specialized hardware solution, and not something designed to work with this system.

the ASUS Sabertooth x79 uses a PCIe 3.0 16x GPU, the video cards in Link to a list of PCIe 3.0 x16 cards from newegg.com are compatible with that unit.

The Cooler Master Hyper is great if you plan to Overclock this computer, if not you don’t need it. The i7 BX80646I74770K comes with a heat sync and fan that are more than adequite for non-overclocked use .

your Motherboard has 8 RAM slots, your RAM is 4 chips. Check if your RAM is compatible with the board. You can ask over at Corsiar forums, the admin (RAMGUY) over there is super knowledgeable about this kind of stuff.

 

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Posted: 15 April 2014 07:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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On looking at those specs, I’d be more inclined to say that mine was middle of the road. You have some serious hardware there! If you head over to 3D World magazine’s website I’d see if you can order a back issue of issue 178, they built a workstation in there that sounds like it’d meet your budget and specifications.

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Posted: 15 April 2014 11:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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recepticle0 - 14 April 2014 04:22 PM

Ok,

Here is the first list of parts that my wife and I have been looking at. My research has not bean going very well and I am not positive that these parts will play nicely with each other. We seem to be configuring a middle of the road machine(!?)

Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Blue Edition - High Air Flow Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and All-Black Interior.

Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5” Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive.

CORSAIR RM Series RM1000 1000W ATX12V v2.31 and EPS 2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply.

ASUS Sabertooth X79 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard.

CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model CMZ32GX3M4X1866C10R.

Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770K.

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit (Slim Envelope)... whatever slim envelope means(!?).

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - CPU Cooler with 4 Direct Contact Heatpipes.

NVIDIA Tegra K1 Mobile Processor Quad-core, 4-Plus-1 ARM Cortex –A15 MPCore processor with NEON technology Low-power NVIDIA Kepler-based GeForce graphics processor (Not out yet!!!)

Please be brutally honest. I feel like im a bit out of my league with all this.

What Stratdragon said.

I bought 2 Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB EARX series and they died because of a head parking problem. Hope for you they solved that issue with the EZRX. And yes they are not meant for being the main HDD.

The Tegra K1 is a graphic processor for phones ?! It has very little power compared to a desktop GPU

I’m not completely 100% sure on the Windows Version choice. Windows 8.1 update 1 just came out and you can configure it to fall directely on the desktop like a Windows 7. Concerning rights or useability; I didn’t have more problem with it than with Win 7. Just had some compatibility issue with drivers and some softwares but once you get everything running up, it is very equivalent to Win 7.

As Microsoft gives the possibility for Downgrade in case of OEM Windows you could ask your vendor for a Win 8 Licence and get a Win 7 installed so that you could go to Win 8 if you want it later. Win 8 is getting better and I guess it will continue to improve. I believe DirectX 12 will improve performance when it comes out and as I said earlier Microsoft didn’t mention it would be available for Win7. So it would be safe to be able to update to Win8 if you want to without paying a new licence
PS : that doesn’t apply if you buy a Full Windows Licence

 

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Posted: 15 April 2014 12:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Hologram DVD’s of Windows 7 Professional 64 bit can be bought legit from a few retailers from around £50, compared to £130 for Windows 8. Just google Windows 7 64 bit Hologram DVD and you’ll get the links you need. OEM tend to be manufacturer specific which the hologram ones aren’t.

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Posted: 15 April 2014 01:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Hi All,

Still processing information. Thanks for the comments.

I had a feeling that I was going a bit overboard on some of the components, and not far enough on others. I have no intention of overclocking the system and I was a bit worried about the power draw.

More research, but I think im starting to get a sense of what I need (I think).

Thanks.

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Posted: 15 April 2014 01:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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If this is purely for DS and nothing more high end than that, I think a machine akin to the one I’m building should cope admirably with the task at hand. I aim to try and do pretty high res stuff within DS itself and then branch out with Luxus and LightDome Pro 2. If you were to use stuff like ZBrush and other programs then a higher spec probably would be called for.

The spec of machine they built in the issue of 3D World that I mentioned, that was meant for stuff like 3DS Max and Maya, stuff I’d kill to use but simply can’t afford.

Look at the programs you want to use and their maximum specs, if you can afford to, build a system that matches them

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Posted: 15 April 2014 09:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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It has to be an all around machine. Im trying to keep my budget within the 2000 USD range. I want it to be able to run DS and Hex as well as it possibly can, but I also want it to be a decent gaming machine. It also has to run excel and spread sheets, etc, but that shouldnt be an issue at all.

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Posted: 16 April 2014 02:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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I see,

The specs on mine deliver pretty decent frame rates in bench tests I’ve seen, and you don’t have to have it set a ultra high resolutions with all the bells and whistles on to still get a good gaming experience. I guess if you can afford it you could look at the hardware mine has and then look at say the next model or two up. An Intel with the same specs as the AMD processor I have could cost up to double what I paid for the AMD so I wouldn’t entirely rule them out. If space isn’t a concern then you could go for a mid tower case where you can pack in a really high spec motherboard with lots of RAM and expansion slots, then you can upgrade when better parts come down in price, which they inevitably do.

So long as you do research, sign up to forums and check reviews and compatibility charts you shouldn’t go far wrong

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Posted: 16 April 2014 07:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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I would want my emphasis on cpu and ram for rendering and modeling a very good but not incredible gpu to game well but not push the limits of every game yet to come out since that kind of investment is futile IMHO, I would want to keep as many of the components the same brand as possible as long as the vendor has a solid reputation (ASUS, Corsair, etc.) and those products have been tested by those vendors in their labs. I would want a motherboard that performed but did not give me things I will never need at the expense of price jacking. I would want a 2TB drive for long term and runtime and an SSD drive for booting and my apps to run from.

IF I had $2K USD to spend on a system right now to game and render this is what it would look like, provided I have a keyboard, mouse and LCD sorted out already. Prices are from NewEgg.com at the time of this post and I did not check interoperability or compatibility as well as I would if I were going to drop this kind of scratch on a new computer , I SHOT FROM THE HIP ] so this is not a shopping list

CASE
Corsair Vengeance Series C70 Arctic White Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $107.99

SATA
HD Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5” Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive $89.99

GPU
ASUS GTX760-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $269.99

PSU
CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC $129.99

RAM
CORSAIR Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model $334.99

MOBO
ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $199.99

CPU
Intel Core i7-4770 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770 $309.99

OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit - OEM $189.99

BLP/DVD
LG Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model UH12NS30 - OEM $49.99

SSD HD
Corsair Force Series GS CSSD-F360GBGS-BK 2.5” 360GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $299.99

Total:
$1,982.90

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Posted: 16 April 2014 08:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Hi StratDragon,

Suppose that I did want the items that you posted above, as far as checking for interoperability and compatibility, this would be when I would go to tomshardware.com and CNET?
Do you have any more recommendations that I should follow making sure that the parts work well together?

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Posted: 16 April 2014 11:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Pretty much, yeah,

Some people on those forums will have a downer on Corsair PSU’s because some made a whining noise, this wasn’t a manufacturing issue like they would have you believe, there were settings in the BIOS that needed updating, for which there is a video on YouTube.

This is good for checking compatibility: http://www.pc-specs.com/mobo/Asus/Asus_M5A78L-M~USB3/1103/Compatible_PSUs

Key in any make and it will say what goes with what. I followed it a lot when I put my specs together.

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Posted: 16 April 2014 11:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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recepticle0 - 16 April 2014 08:31 AM

Hi StratDragon,

Suppose that I did want the items that you posted above, as far as checking for interoperability and compatibility, this would be when I would go to tomshardware.com and CNET?
Do you have any more recommendations that I should follow making sure that the parts work well together?

yes, thats where you would check and see what people said and then make some fine adjustments to your list depending. if I was going to be doing a lot of GPU rendering I’d cut the SSD and up the GPU to a 4GB DDR5 card but the return on investment with a lot of this gear when double the price does not translate to double the speed, in some case not even close and it becomes a matter of bragging rights, not performance.
I’d check some gamers forums as well, I game on my xbox because my CPU is my art box and the bottom line is you can’t really upgrade an xbox, so you don’t have to worry about are you running a game at it’s optimum settings or have the latest drivers so my GPU gaming knowledge is limited, you can probably get a cheaper faster card than the ASUS but I tend to like them as they are built like brick $#!+ houses. My corsair PSU is the same way, a little noisy but when I’m running Lux and my CPU is too busy to open a web page I’m not sitting around listening to the fan, and my box is on the floor so to me it’s quiet, and I’ve been in bands for years so white noise is what I hear 24/7 anyway.

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Posted: 16 April 2014 04:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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No problem stands out to me, except where is the cooling? You going to expect the default fans to pull all the Drive and Ram heat? Now if the Case includes the Fans I give this a nod if not Cooling would be needed.

EDIT: My System may not be perfect but…

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Posted: 16 April 2014 11:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Stratdragon posted a good config.

IMHO when choosing components you don’t always have to get the most expensive one./ or full options especially if you won’t use them. So you should have a really good idea of what you want to do with your Rig at the moment you buy it and also plan on eventual future use and choose accordingly
Ex : AsRock is a spun off company from Asus and makes good motherboard usually cheaper than Asus. If you really want SLI/Crossfire you could get the Fatal1ty Z87 Killer (129$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157460 or if you really don’t need SLI/Crossfire the Z77 Extreme (119 $) could do the job http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

Regarding performance, I’ll also say that you could get an AMD Rig with slightly equivalent power for less than an Intel Rig. And I’m sure you could go to a local store and buy a customized gaming Rig as gaming Rigs usually are good starting base for DS.

Ex : AMD FX 8 Cores/ 8 Gb RAM/ AMD RX 290 4Gb/ SSD + 1TB HDD (1299$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1595324
The same with better components and bigger HDD and 16 Gb RAM (1785$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1595334

The AMD Graphic card would be good for Luxrender. In my case I would change it for an Nvidia GPU because I use Blender and Cycles and need Cuda. If you don’t need Nvidia or don’t plan to use that, then these are good Rigs for you

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Posted: 17 April 2014 12:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Thanks for all the info everyone.

I’ll put some effort into going over this all tomorrow and get a reply out.

One question, why Windows 7 Ultimate as opposed to Professional? Is their a performance boost through Ultimate? I dont want to go to Windows 8, I’ve been scared away from it.

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