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Posted: 22 December 2013 03:04 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I like to buy my products on the cheap, I admit, I love not having to pay a fortune which is why I come to DAZ because you tend to be the most reasonable option in town with free software and all…  My only issue at the moment is you guys are getting pretty slack at giving us ‘daily updates’ on the Fast Grab.

I also think its about time you guys start clearing out some of the really obsolete material in your archives.  I think the rule of thumb should be that its fairly safe to archive everything pre Victoria 4.

I still want to see you guys start talking about file sizes on the new releases and pixel resolution.

I would also like to see more themed characters and HD ethnic variations for VIC/MIK6.

So far, I have to admit, you’re doing alright but could be improved.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 03:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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snowpheonix - 22 December 2013 03:04 AM

I also think its about time you guys start clearing out some of the really obsolete material in your archives.  I think the rule of thumb should be that its fairly safe to archive everything pre Victoria 4.

There are, unfortunately, one or two “gotchas” in the DAZ product line, gen 3 things that you just have to have. The Morphing Fantasy Mask is my personal demon.

There are a dozen V3 and V4 outfits that I really like, that are set up for the Morphing Fantasy Dress, the Fantasy Collar, the Hooded Cloak, and the Morphing Fantasy Mask. The MFD and the hooded cloak are available in generation 3, 4, and 5 (and I hear 6 is coming). The collar is gen 3 and 4, but autofits nicely to gen 5 and even gen 6 if you do the two-step autofit or use V4 for Genesis 2 Female.

The morphing mask is gen 3 only, but it’s just a mask, it’s fine once you get it into position. It’s an underappreciated little gem.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 04:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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A lot of people still use the older figures and some of the old stuff is still very usable, just because you think they are obsolete doesn’t mean everyone does. Also a lot of older things are by PA’s and its up to them if they are removed or not, presumably if they are still around then they still sell.
As to the fast grab its often not updated daily especially when other sales are going on.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 04:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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snowpheonix - 22 December 2013 03:04 AM

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I also think its about time you guys start clearing out some of the really obsolete material in your archives.  I think the rule of thumb should be that its fairly safe to archive everything pre Victoria 4.

If you had been a forum member the last time DAZ 3D did do some archiving of old stuff you would know why that is an easy thing to say, but not a popular thing to do.

 

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Posted: 22 December 2013 04:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I also think its about time you guys start clearing out some of the really obsolete material in your archives.  I think the rule of thumb should be that its fairly safe to archive everything pre Victoria 4.

If you had been a forum member the last time DAZ 3D did do some archiving of old stuff you would know why that is an easy thing to say, but not a popular thing to do.

 

I don’t think it would be all that big of a deal if you put a specifically marked Icon… Maybe call it “DAZ Classics”.  I’m didn’t say stop selling it but separate it from the normal stock.  The idea is to make it so that everything you currently offer functions well with the current version of DAZ… I get that there will always be old time clingers that still like digging in the trash but that doesn’t mean you keep it in the store.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 05:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I also think its about time you guys start clearing out some of the really obsolete material in your archives.  I think the rule of thumb should be that its fairly safe to archive everything pre Victoria 4.

There are, unfortunately, one or two “gotchas” in the DAZ product line, gen 3 things that you just have to have. The Morphing Fantasy Mask is my personal demon.

There are a dozen V3 and V4 outfits that I really like, that are set up for the Morphing Fantasy Dress, the Fantasy Collar, the Hooded Cloak, and the Morphing Fantasy Mask. The MFD and the hooded cloak are available in generation 3, 4, and 5 (and I hear 6 is coming). The collar is gen 3 and 4, but autofits nicely to gen 5 and even gen 6 if you do the two-step autofit or use V4 for Genesis 2 Female.

The morphing mask is gen 3 only, but it’s just a mask, it’s fine once you get it into position. It’s an underappreciated little gem.

Chances are you already have all the things that you are already talking about if they have been in the catalog since BEFORE V4/M4.  Where you see classic gems, I see trash that needs desperately to be updated to use with my HD Genesis 2.  Life is short and I don’t want to spend my time fiddling with outfits.  If the product that your talking about is so damn good then petition the people that make them to update them so we can have all those things. 

I have to say that DAZ has already done an excellent job with the Super dress:

http://www.daz3d.com/super-dress-and-leggings-for-genesis-2-female-s

I realize they can do a lot more but thats the point.. out with the old and in with the new.. let them or encourage them to do an update so we don’t have to waste time with manual fittings.

The point being is that things that don’t fuction properly with the current version of DAZ shouldn’t be kept in the same storefront.  Also, things that are for outdated version, especially training videos should be removed from the front and put into a classics section where old dogz like you can access it.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 05:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Posted: 22 December 2013 05:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I also think its about time you guys start clearing out some of the really obsolete material in your archives.  I think the rule of thumb should be that its fairly safe to archive everything pre Victoria 4.

If you had been a forum member the last time DAZ 3D did do some archiving of old stuff you would know why that is an easy thing to say, but not a popular thing to do.

 

I don’t think it would be all that big of a deal if you put a specifically marked Icon… Maybe call it “DAZ Classics”.  I’m didn’t say stop selling it but separate it from the normal stock.  The idea is to make it so that everything you currently offer functions well with the current version of DAZ… I get that there will always be old time clingers that still like digging in the trash but that doesn’t mean you keep it in the store.

DAZ Studio is not the only program that DAZ 3D sell, and DAZ forum members are a mixed bunch and use Bryce and Carrara as well as DS, and also use sundry off site programs as well. The fact that some people do use programs other than the current version of DS doesn’t make them ‘‘old time clingers digging in the trash’’  That is being very demeaning to a large percentage of the DAZ forum members.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 06:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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It’s safe to archive all the V4 items?  Only if DAZ wants to lose whatever sales they generate.  Go to Rendo and RDNA.  What figure is the bulk of their new products designed for?

Do not forget, the default mapping of Genesis is V4.  You can UV switch but the default mapping is still V4.  Autofit was designed to convert Gen 4 clothing to Genesis. 

Why is it that when DAZ comes out with a new set of toys that a small group of users feel that everything that came before that new set of toys is useless and should be thrown away?

Besides those who use software produced by DAZ, there is still that other software app that gave DAZ it’s start.  After all, DAZ3D was a Poser content provider long before it went into the business of selling software. 

DAZ is a small company with a small staff.  Add to that the current holiday season and the weather issues in Utah, sometimes not everything gets done in a day.  Not having the time to update FastGrab it not a catastrophe.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 06:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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snowpheonix - 22 December 2013 03:04 AM

I also think its about time you guys start clearing out some of the really obsolete material in your archives.  I think the rule of thumb should be that its fairly safe to archive everything pre Victoria 4.

I still want to see you guys start talking about file sizes on the new releases and pixel resolution.

I would also like to see more themed characters and HD ethnic variations for VIC/MIK6.

So far, I have to admit, you’re doing alright but could be improved.

I kinda agree with you on the Pre Gen4 stuff, it should probably be reduced, i’d expect it will end up being removed from the store altogether eventually.
I’m a fan of ethnics too, but unfortunately (and ironically) we are in a minority. I’ve heard many times that ethnic stuff doesn’t sell very well in this market. I just release a set of east Asian head morphs for G2f a week or so ago - which really hasn’t really done all that well, I sort of knew it wouldn’t, but I went ahead and made it because I wanted it. So mustn’t grumble I suppose….. raspberry

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Posted: 22 December 2013 06:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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And if you take a look at the items for Gen 3 and lower, they are PA products that DAZ cannot arbitrarily lower the prices on.  DAZ would have to buy them out to have this type of control.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 07:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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^True, also if legacy product’s are still occasionally selling at full price, there is little incentive for a PA to reduce that price.
And generally if something is not moving at all. lowing the price doesn’t usually help very much.
Value is purely perceptional I suppose.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 08:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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People that have the generation 3 iconic shapes for Genesis can auto-fit gen3 clothes and shoes often with better results than gen4 clothes and especially gen4 shoes.  That alone is reason enough not to vault them.

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Posted: 22 December 2013 08:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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snowpheonix - 22 December 2013 03:04 AM

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I also think its about time you guys start clearing out some of the really obsolete material in your archives.  I think the rule of thumb should be that its fairly safe to archive everything pre Victoria 4.
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(pouts)

No love for the older girls and boys, then?

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Posted: 22 December 2013 09:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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For myself I hate to admit I tend to go with the newer figures (Genesis, G2M/F) but I am still buying stuff for Gen 4 because it is good, I still use, on occassion, V4, M4, etc., and even if I don’t the items, generally, auto-fit well to the Genesis line.  That is just me, though.  Then I look at some of the reanders that people are producing now and there is some mind-blowing stuff with Gen 3.
It’s easy enough to filter the store and/or just not buy stuff for the figures you don’t use.

None of which addresses the ‘updates daily’ strapline for the fastgrab!  That’s alays been pretty much hit and miss, but it’s a great source of surprise purchases for me, regardless of update frequency.  I’d suggest they just reword the ‘updates daily’ bit smile

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Posted: 22 December 2013 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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I only use Genesis and still buy Gen 3 and 4 stuff.
I prefer Genesis specific content, but I can use those old items on it too, so when theres a good sale, I grab old content.

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