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Posted: 05 December 2013 10:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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...they have to get rid of that grey on grey scheme fist, as I have trouble with the lack of contrast.

Plus, they need to stop updating it every week or so.


If Daz spent one fifth of the time on Hexagon as they do on Studio, they could make it a rock solid application.

What they basically need to do is

Squash the remaining bugs.
Bring it into the 64 bit world (which would also cure some of the ills related to memory issues)
Improve the UV mapping tools

Sculpting would also be a nice addition.

It doesn’t need rendering, rigging, animation, or surfacing tools as those are already available in Studio and Carrara.

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Posted: 05 December 2013 10:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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I have spent about $7000 at DAZ over the last three or so years. For that $7000, I’ve picked up about 3700 separate items, including Deviney’s entire store, and most of Stonemason, Faveral, Jack Tomalin, and a number of the ‘higher priced’ artists. A lot of these items were picke dup during glitch sales, but most of them are straight up bargains (flash sales, periodic price reductions, stacking coupons, etc).

If you know what you’re doing here, the already-reasonable prices become flat-out brilliant.

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Posted: 05 December 2013 11:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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As someone who’s purchased items from a variety of sites, Daz remains the premier site in terms of value for money and quality for me. I’ve bought many items from rival stores and found that quality goes from one extreme to the next, with no real way of telling which items are good for the job. Previously I bought skin textures which are lacking everything but the diffuse maps, yet were marked up as ‘prime content’ and cost as much as a full figure would on the Daz store with full bump and specular maps included. That was on Renderosity, by the way.

Now, before this turns into Store ‘Wars’, I should add in their defense that I have purchased some quality items from there too. However, because it can be a bit of a gamble in terms of the level of quality you get from any particular item, and because the overwhelming majority of content is for older gen 4 figures, I don’t often buy items from other stores. So far no other store aside from PA’s stores which have made the move to independence have matched the quality, variety and overall value of Daz. And yes, I include the RuntimeDNA store in that too.

So while some items may seem expensive, you really need to compare like with like, and I can think of plenty of examples on other stores which are easily as expensive or more so than their Daz counterparts. Daz’s Platinum Club is really just the icing on a giant delicious strawberry-filled cake.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 12:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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canberra_boy - 05 December 2013 10:31 PM

I have spent about $7000 at DAZ over the last three or so years. For that $7000, I’ve picked up about 3700 separate items, including Deviney’s entire store, and most of Stonemason, Faveral, Jack Tomalin, and a number of the ‘higher priced’ artists. A lot of these items were picke dup during glitch sales, but most of them are straight up bargains (flash sales, periodic price reductions, stacking coupons, etc).

If you know what you’re doing here, the already-reasonable prices become flat-out brilliant.

...with the new setup one can only us a single coupon.  You can combine a GC and a coupon but that is it. In the old days vouchers could be stacked with both coupons and GCs which is how I got a lot of my content and software, and why my buying has gone down dramatically since May of 2012.

Never could hit one of the “glitch sales” as I was usually at work at the time..

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Posted: 06 December 2013 02:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Speaking for myself I think it’s a lot greater variety and quality here than in most stores. Renderosity fi is still focused on V4 - almost 90% of the new stuff there is V4, there’s almost nothing for the G2 - I have yet to see a single rag for M6 there. + the props are generally better here, better materials and details. I mostly check Rsity for new DM products these days. And then there’s the vehicles, the greenery etc here which are almost absent in other places (OK RDNA have had some great, free greenery now and then, but that’s about it)

Besides I preffer to pay a bit more for quality, I rather buy an Alfaseed outfit for $20 or a Stonemanson or DM prop than some unknown vendor costing half as much but ends up being a dissapointment of lo-res materials and very few details.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 04:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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...I just wish there were more “plausable” looking aircraft available here.  Yeah we have the Toon Private Plane, an old Biplane, a Private Jet, an Ultralight, a couple military helicopters, some hot air balloons and one steampunk themed zeppelin. however a lot of the offerings available require a stretch of the imagination for them to get off the ground.

Also while there’s an abundance of steampunk and futuristic sci fi content,  there is little in the way of cyberpunk themed content.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 05:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 06 December 2013 04:44 AM

...I just wish there were more “plausable” looking aircraft available here.  Yeah we have the Toon Private Plane, an old Biplane, a Private Jet, an Ultralight, a couple military helicopters, some hot air balloons and one steampunk themed zeppelin. however a lot of the offerings available require a stretch of the imagination for them to get off the ground.

Also while there’s an abundance of steampunk and futuristic sci fi content,  there is little in the way of cyberpunk themed content.

You’ve seen this site? http://colacola.se/ Lotsa planes, and most of them for free!

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Posted: 06 December 2013 06:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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...I just wish there were more “plausable” looking aircraft available here.  Yeah we have the Toon Private Plane, an old Biplane, a Private Jet, an Ultralight, a couple military helicopters, some hot air balloons and one steampunk themed zeppelin. however a lot of the offerings available require a stretch of the imagination for them to get off the ground.

Also while there’s an abundance of steampunk and futuristic sci fi content,  there is little in the way of cyberpunk themed content.

You’ve seen this site? http://colacola.se/ Lotsa planes, and most of them for free!

All of these models are for personal, noncommercial use.  It’s in very fine print on each download page.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 06:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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Also I NEVER GET a logical answer to this: - Why dont more PA’s offer game publishing license options?  I cant see any more risk or exposure to piriating so why after incurring product development costs, are they not maximizing the sales opportunities??

I think it’s because most PAs know nothing about gaming. I certainly don’t, and I only found out by accident that I could arrange for a gaming license for my products. At the time of the gaming push by DAZ, I assumed they would deal with the licensing, but when that fell through, I just thought it was no longer an option.

mac.

That’s my point precisley. Why is not DAZ this encouraging more to PAs? With DS Decimator its so easy to implement so the PA need do nothing more to products.  Incedently 3d Universe btw does publish its fee - a multiple of standard license fist so at least they too are easy to use in games.


DAZ encourages PA’s to do things that will help make them money.
The gaming license deal is not a big seller.
I have had my license set up for sale for a number of years now…..and I can count the number of sales I had on one hand (and still have fingers left over to scratch my a$$ raspberry )

It seems that a majority of people who want to use these products in games prefer to use the rendered avatars. Which is cool too…alot less legal issues involved.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 07:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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RawArt - 06 December 2013 06:45 AM

DAZ encourages PA’s to do things that will help make them money.
The gaming license deal is not a big seller.
I have had my license set up for sale for a number of years now…..and I can count the number of sales I had on one hand (and still have fingers left over to scratch my a$$ raspberry )

It seems that a majority of people who want to use these products in games prefer to use the rendered avatars. Which is cool too…alot less legal issues involved.

I’d like to think that most people involved in game development are more interested in creating their own game assets since not only will they have full legal control over the final content, but it allows them to more easily tailor the characters and environments to suit the game rather than vice versa. The majority of people who are have been verbally interested in the licenses over the time I’ve been on the forums have been indie developers, many of which are using Unity to create their projects.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 07:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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Herakleia - 06 December 2013 02:27 AM

... Renderosity fi is still focused on V4 - almost 90% of the new stuff there is V4, there’s almost nothing for the G2 - I have yet to see a single rag for M6 there. ...

Has M6 been out for a month yet? Because that’s roughly how long it takes to make an outfit, if I understand correctly. If a figure sculptor wants third-party support on release day, the figure needs to go to the third-party creators early. (That’s what they did with Dawn. I don’t recall any other figure from any company being sent to vendors not associated with the releasing company before release.)

And V4 items can be used with V4 and Genesis “out of the box”. Genesis items can’t be used (easily) with V4. The market for V4 items is larger than the market for Genesis items; I can’t blame the creators for going after the larger market.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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RawArt - 06 December 2013 06:45 AM
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Dream Cutter - 05 December 2013 04:06 PM

Also I NEVER GET a logical answer to this: - Why dont more PA’s offer game publishing license options?  I cant see any more risk or exposure to piriating so why after incurring product development costs, are they not maximizing the sales opportunities??

I think it’s because most PAs know nothing about gaming. I certainly don’t, and I only found out by accident that I could arrange for a gaming license for my products. At the time of the gaming push by DAZ, I assumed they would deal with the licensing, but when that fell through, I just thought it was no longer an option.

mac.

That’s my point precisley. Why is not DAZ this encouraging more to PAs? With DS Decimator its so easy to implement so the PA need do nothing more to products.  Incedently 3d Universe btw does publish its fee - a multiple of standard license fist so at least they too are easy to use in games.


DAZ encourages PA’s to do things that will help make them money.
The gaming license deal is not a big seller.
I have had my license set up for sale for a number of years now…..and I can count the number of sales I had on one hand (and still have fingers left over to scratch my a$$ raspberry )

It seems that a majority of people who want to use these products in games prefer to use the rendered avatars. Which is cool too…alot less legal issues involved.

Rawn

Rawn, because your figures are so darn well suited for “Hollywood” theme oriented games, events and holidays I purchased nearly all of them!  That is the main reason I really like your catalog, however the flexibility in application that the augment game license provides greatly extends the usefulness and lifecycle of the products in my catalog.
The demand for 3d publishing licenses will grow as technology like GooTechnologies, Babylon,  KickJS, Unity and CopoperCube mature and become more consumer oriented.  Certainly the appeal of quality ready to go 3d avatars for massive multiplayer and virtual social games is apparent - but not fully leveraged (?!)

Folks - YOU ARE BUYING A LICENSE TO USE.  What that license permits to the user is of far greater value than what features a particular item can accomplish in 3d, especially if its limited to 2d output. The terms of the license should be your main decision factor
when buying content, over the oohs and ahhs oth the latest surfacing enhancement.

The way I see it purchasing a 2D render only license is highly limiting and really not enough value to procure with cash based on want “potential” rather than necessity to get a job done efficiently or better.  Meaning if I need a item for a specific 2d only render, I may purchase it on demand it the perfect solution is available.  However 95% of my monthly content purchases at DAZ are based on want, supporting the desire to build my library with the most flexible (adaptable) content assets - in advance of need to trigger inspiration and reduce creative barriers. So I buy 3d publishable content, mostly. I may pay more but I get far more usability in return  Since I am developing more and more 3d real-time rendered publication, it only makes sense to invest in asset with this capability.  Also by only focusing on 3d licensee content, its far easier for me to determine specific content item license terms in my catalog.  For this reason I pass on most freebies that have restrictive or indeterminate licenses.

Finally, upgrade of license publishing terms to 3d breathes new live into older products which are often better suited for game engine preparation and application and would extend content product life-cycles and open additional opportunities and avenues for further development.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 09:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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DAZ encourages PA’s to do things that will help make them money.
The gaming license deal is not a big seller.
I have had my license set up for sale for a number of years now…..and I can count the number of sales I had on one hand (and still have fingers left over to scratch my a$$ raspberry )

It seems that a majority of people who want to use these products in games prefer to use the rendered avatars. Which is cool too…alot less legal issues involved.

I’d like to think that most people involved in game development are more interested in creating their own game assets since not only will they have full legal control over the final content, but it allows them to more easily tailor the characters and environments to suit the game rather than vice versa. The majority of people who are have been verbally interested in the licenses over the time I’ve been on the forums have been indie developers, many of which are using Unity to create their projects.

Sure, and some like me do model our own. “Jorge Hog in Volcano Rescue” is 100% modeled by me, but I also found that can stifle game development.  Now I use the most efficient and best method to accomplish a project.  That often means relying of licensed assets and technologies like I did in “Repstar’s Paparazzi Shake” that features V6 and TREX figures. While I could build it all - limiting this way can sniffle creativity and reduce momentum.  Some developers model better, some program game logic better - successful project often require a compromise in this respect.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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... Renderosity fi is still focused on V4 - almost 90% of the new stuff there is V4, there’s almost nothing for the G2 - I have yet to see a single rag for M6 there. ...

Has M6 been out for a month yet? Because that’s roughly how long it takes to make an outfit, if I understand correctly. If a figure sculptor wants third-party support on release day, the figure needs to go to the third-party creators early. (That’s what they did with Dawn. I don’t recall any other figure from any company being sent to vendors not associated with the releasing company before release.)

And V4 items can be used with V4 and Genesis “out of the box”. Genesis items can’t be used (easily) with V4. The market for V4 items is larger than the market for Genesis items; I can’t blame the creators for going after the larger market.

There are two items for G2M on rendo: Karth made a shirt and DarioFish updated his cybernetic items from Genesis to both male and female Genesis 2.

Also the pre-release Dawn was released to vendors on Rendo for their release, M6 wasn’t because they aren’t DAZ PAs there, so I wouldn’t expect anything to be there day one unless someone broke their NDA agreement with DAZ… and they don’t want that.

Also, vendor should know their market. An M6 item will sell more at DAZ than it will at Rendo, because people look here first for Genesis items and it will quickly get buried under other items there. If you’re selling a V4 item, you may be better off selling at rendo because these days, that’s the first place people will look.

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Posted: 06 December 2013 01:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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... Renderosity fi is still focused on V4 - almost 90% of the new stuff there is V4, there’s almost nothing for the G2 - I have yet to see a single rag for M6 there. ...

Has M6 been out for a month yet? Because that’s roughly how long it takes to make an outfit, if I understand correctly. If a figure sculptor wants third-party support on release day, the figure needs to go to the third-party creators early. (That’s what they did with Dawn. I don’t recall any other figure from any company being sent to vendors not associated with the releasing company before release.)

And V4 items can be used with V4 and Genesis “out of the box”. Genesis items can’t be used (easily) with V4. The market for V4 items is larger than the market for Genesis items; I can’t blame the creators for going after the larger market.

I sell smaller pieces at Rendo.  I’ve been less motivated to do that with G2 than Genesis for a couple of reasons.  One, most things I could sell there will sell better at DAZ (I was not yet a PA when Genesis came out); and two, they are vastly less likely to promote male stuff.  Fuse and I have put our heart and soul into big male outfits there only to see them hit the market with a thud.  That doesn’t happen to us here.  We’re working on the expansion to a huge wizard set that is already complete, and you better believe we’re going to sell it at DAZ.

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