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Heroes, Heroines and 3D Graphics - July Freebie Contest
Posted: 15 July 2012 04:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 346 ]
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chohole - 15 July 2012 04:43 PM
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Seriously do you really think we need 3 or 4 pages of rules to cover every possible situation. As Jeeperz said, we have been running for several years now with a minimum amount of rules. This is one of those things that just goes without saying. If it is not free for everyone then it cannot count towards the freebie count.

Suddenly it seems that everyone wants everything spelt out for them.

I can see this obsession with rules killing the freebie challenge of if we are not careful, which would really be a crying shame.

It has suddenly become less fun as people seem determined to turn it into a mainstream contest, and not our friendly, wild and whacky freebie challenge.  We even have a rule that says it has got to be fun, see rule 13.  cool smirk

I believe the big grey zone you have created by not having a written rule set is a bigger threat to the challenge.
You were the on complaining about the all the rule discussions. They are not fun but necessary as it is very hard tell what is right or wrong. The reason that the old ways don’t work any more is that a lot of people, like me, wasn’t around when the rules that are unwritten were created. We don’t know. We can’t understand. We were not there. Do you want new people to come here? Then show them some respect. Give them a sporting chance to understand what is going on. Give them rules!

Cheers! Oom

awe we are just having some fun Oom, *tosses a pie at Oom* we don’t mind asking, but when confronted with the answer, some (and I’m not saying you in particular) want to question even further and then want us to change the rules to suit them (again not necessarily you). That is was is annoying. we don’t mind answering the question, as cho said, we don’t want 3 pages of rules so questions and answers are important, but when given an answer, everyone needs to accept it and move forward, and YES, HAVE FUN. We all come here to have fun, render and learn.

So there are no rules there are just the word of the judge?

That must mean I get Cho’s stick! Oh boy! Oh boy! Yippeee!


Were you never issued with one of Music’s purple gavels.? they are nearly as good.

Nope I be a newbie on the block.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 347 ]
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This ain’t fun. I’m going to bed. Good night.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 348 ]
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Dollygirl - 15 July 2012 04:46 PM
chohole - 15 July 2012 04:43 PM
Dollygirl - 15 July 2012 04:40 PM
Oom Fooyat - 15 July 2012 04:38 PM
jeeperz - 15 July 2012 04:29 PM
Oom Fooyat - 15 July 2012 04:22 PM
chohole - 15 July 2012 03:50 PM

Seriously do you really think we need 3 or 4 pages of rules to cover every possible situation. As Jeeperz said, we have been running for several years now with a minimum amount of rules. This is one of those things that just goes without saying. If it is not free for everyone then it cannot count towards the freebie count.

Suddenly it seems that everyone wants everything spelt out for them.

I can see this obsession with rules killing the freebie challenge of if we are not careful, which would really be a crying shame.

It has suddenly become less fun as people seem determined to turn it into a mainstream contest, and not our friendly, wild and whacky freebie challenge.  We even have a rule that says it has got to be fun, see rule 13.  cool smirk

I believe the big grey zone you have created by not having a written rule set is a bigger threat to the challenge.
You were the on complaining about the all the rule discussions. They are not fun but necessary as it is very hard tell what is right or wrong. The reason that the old ways don’t work any more is that a lot of people, like me, wasn’t around when the rules that are unwritten were created. We don’t know. We can’t understand. We were not there. Do you want new people to come here? Then show them some respect. Give them a sporting chance to understand what is going on. Give them rules!

Cheers! Oom

awe we are just having some fun Oom, *tosses a pie at Oom* we don’t mind asking, but when confronted with the answer, some (and I’m not saying you in particular) want to question even further and then want us to change the rules to suit them (again not necessarily you). That is was is annoying. we don’t mind answering the question, as cho said, we don’t want 3 pages of rules so questions and answers are important, but when given an answer, everyone needs to accept it and move forward, and YES, HAVE FUN. We all come here to have fun, render and learn.

So there are no rules there are just the word of the judge?

That must mean I get Cho’s stick! Oh boy! Oh boy! Yippeee!


Were you never issued with one of Music’s purple gavels.? they are nearly as good.

Nope I be a newbie on the block.


Oh dear we will have to ask him to give you one next time he comes on line.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 05:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 349 ]
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Oom Fooyat - 15 July 2012 04:38 PM
jeeperz - 15 July 2012 04:29 PM
Oom Fooyat - 15 July 2012 04:22 PM
chohole - 15 July 2012 03:50 PM

Seriously do you really think we need 3 or 4 pages of rules to cover every possible situation. As Jeeperz said, we have been running for several years now with a minimum amount of rules. This is one of those things that just goes without saying. If it is not free for everyone then it cannot count towards the freebie count.

Suddenly it seems that everyone wants everything spelt out for them.

I can see this obsession with rules killing the freebie challenge of if we are not careful, which would really be a crying shame.

It has suddenly become less fun as people seem determined to turn it into a mainstream contest, and not our friendly, wild and whacky freebie challenge.  We even have a rule that says it has got to be fun, see rule 13.  cool smirk

I believe the big grey zone you have created by not having a written rule set is a bigger threat to the challenge.
You were the on complaining about the all the rule discussions. They are not fun but necessary as it is very hard tell what is right or wrong. The reason that the old ways don’t work any more is that a lot of people, like me, wasn’t around when the rules that are unwritten were created. We don’t know. We can’t understand. We were not there. Do you want new people to come here? Then show them some respect. Give them a sporting chance to understand what is going on. Give them rules!

Cheers! Oom

awe we are just having some fun Oom, *tosses a pie at Oom* we don’t mind asking, but when confronted with the answer, some (and I’m not saying you in particular) want to question even further and then want us to change the rules to suit them (again not necessarily you). That is was is annoying. we don’t mind answering the question, as cho said, we don’t want 3 pages of rules so questions and answers are important, but when given an answer, everyone needs to accept it and move forward, and YES, HAVE FUN. We all come here to have fun, render and learn.

So there are no rules there are just the word of the judge?


ok, now I’M confused what is the question again Oom??? no rules only the word of the judge???? WT??????? I don’t get the ???
*tosses some more pies in*

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Posted: 15 July 2012 05:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 350 ]
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I think Oom is just messing with us guys… He can’t possibly be serious????? Oom?????  HELLOooooooo you are just having fun right??

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Posted: 15 July 2012 08:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 351 ]
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sorry to scare everyone off….
*tosses some more pies into the forum*

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Posted: 15 July 2012 11:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 352 ]
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Can we add a rule that at least every third pie tossed must be a Hershey chocolate pie.

Any who, there are so many great entries this month I think I will be content with posting a few NAE renders just because they are fun.

NAE

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Posted: 15 July 2012 11:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 353 ]
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dleelaw57 - 15 July 2012 11:20 PM

Can we add a rule that at least every third pie tossed must be a Hershey chocolate pie.

Any who, there are so many great entries this month I think I will be content with posting a few NAE renders just because they are fun.

NAE

Title: EXTRA EXTRA

I like that one!  LOL


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Posted: 15 July 2012 11:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 354 ]
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Dollygirl - 15 July 2012 09:41 AM

The render qualifies Jester. Like the story going on and your abilities of creating a story from your renders is improving with each submital.  Nice job.
Lonnie

On first reading, I read that as “... improving with each subliminal.”

But we would never use subliminals here… (make a render with Aiko 3!) Would we?

No never! make a render with Apollo

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this is a NAE with Genesis and the AGU morph, A4, and Genesis with the A3 morph and Apollo

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Posted: 16 July 2012 03:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 355 ]
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To be honest I’m with Oom the lack of written rules means that for anyone new to the competetion its very confusing, I thought that their was a no post wiork rule but it seems that only applies to some post work, layering of images is ok in some instances but not in others. If I could layer images then I could do more, this is a restraint of my technology not neccassarily skill, layering images to get a particular ‘toon’ effect is ok though.
Sorry but the rules seem all over the place, followed by some but not by others, it leaves a sense of unfairness which is a shame as this looks like a fun competetion.

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Posted: 16 July 2012 04:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 356 ]
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jeeperz - 15 July 2012 05:13 PM

I think Oom is just messing with us guys… He can’t possibly be serious????? Oom?????  HELLOooooooo you are just having fun right??

No, I am serious, very serious. Sorry, to brake rule 13.
The Freebie Challenge is a wonderful creation, I like it, I support it and I enjoy it and it has been very good to me in many ways.
The reason I am so interested in the rules is that a want to follow them, I want to do what is right. I have found that it is a very hard thing to do because “right” and “wrong” is constantly shifting. One of the things that was clear to me after last months rule discussion was that the Poser default content was, as by the written rule, a paid item. This month´, by the unwritten rule, the Poser default content is a “no count” and when I ask about that I am told to shut up, be still and have fun because the rules are what you say they are and that is it.

From what I understand, the purpose of the unwritten rules are to make the Challenge more fun. I don’t find confusion very amusing still it is the one word that constantly come up when rules are discussed. The majority of the rule discussions I have seen have been about about one of four topics: How to count default content. What defines a paid Item, a freebie and a no count. How to count stuff you make yourself. And the discussions that followed when music decided to enforces the rule about “clearly and completely seen”. I think you can cover the first three in less than three pages, more like eight to twelve lines. Those few lines would significantly reduce the confusing rule discussions and actually make this place more fun, at least to me.
The last one on my list brings up another topic. The written rules are a bit strange at places but I can live with that.

Cheers! Oom

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Posted: 16 July 2012 04:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 357 ]
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scorpio64dragon - 16 July 2012 03:58 AM

To be honest I’m with Oom the lack of written rules means that for anyone new to the competetion its very confusing, I thought that their was a no post wiork rule but it seems that only applies to some post work, layering of images is ok in some instances but not in others. If I could layer images then I could do more, this is a restraint of my technology not neccassarily skill, layering images to get a particular ‘toon’ effect is ok though.
Sorry but the rules seem all over the place, followed by some but not by others, it leaves a sense of unfairness which is a shame as this looks like a fun competetion.

Rule #4 is quite adamant about postwork. It leaves no doubt that postwork is not allowed, and is not open for interpretation.

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Posted: 16 July 2012 04:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 358 ]
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Oom, to try and clarify it a bit.  A freebie, as far as the freebie challenge is concerned, is an item that is not only freely avaliable for everyone to download, but can be obtained without spending any money. Hence the reason any figures from Poser are counted as pay for items, because they are only available if you have purchased Poser.

Equally the free items that were given away with DS are not counted because they are ony available to DS users. They can be used, but as non counting items. THere are several different reasons why not everyone uses DS, including the fact that some people do not have computers with sufficient specs to run the app.

Anything that you make yourself is only counted as a freebie as far as the freebie count is concerned if having made it you then make it available for everyone else to also download and use if they want to.

Hope that helps.

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Posted: 16 July 2012 06:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 359 ]
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thanks dlee, that made me laugh

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Posted: 16 July 2012 06:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 360 ]
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chohole - 16 July 2012 04:33 AM

Oom, to try and clarify it a bit.  A freebie, as far as the freebie challenge is concerned, is an item that is not only freely avaliable for everyone to download, but can be obtained without spending any money. Hence the reason any figures from Poser are counted as pay for items, because they are only available if you have purchased Poser.

Equally the free items that were given away with DS are not counted because they are ony available to DS users. They can be used, but as non counting items. THere are several different reasons why not everyone uses DS, including the fact that some people do not have computers with sufficient specs to run the app.

Anything that you make yourself is only counted as a freebie as far as the freebie count is concerned if having made it you then make it available for everyone else to also download and use if they want to.

Hope that helps.

It makes sense, but you just contradicted what jeeperz said last night. See my problem?

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me too Alexa, that’s what I thought

Well I went back and looked at the rules. Music is silent on content that is provided by a software package. I personally think that it should be eligible. It is content that came with a free version of DAZ. Now the Poser content I am not so sure about. I have Debut and it came with 2 or 3 Gig of content. I got Debut free last Dec. I bought PoserPro2010 and got some additional content Debut did not have. So for the Debut content my take is it is a no count. No link but I didn’t pay for it. The stuff that came with Poser Pro I would count as paid for because I paid for the software that it came with even though renders with Poser are allowed.

So does that stuff count or not? After reading all the posts I am lost.


that would be a NO, it counts under the misc items that don’t count

 

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