Oroboros there are far more Brycers around who have the same feelings as aarrgghhh does than you seem to think.
Oh? How many do I think are around? And even if, other than me, the feelings were unanimously like aaarghs… Would you concede that user ‘feelings’ have done nothing for Bryce’s development in the last 3 years?
Brycers have always tended to be fairly quiet, forum wise but that doesn’t mean they are not still around.
I’m not saying, and have never said, that there are no Bryce users around. I AM saying that passion and fandom are no substitute for a buying market. We could be the noisiest, busiest, most loyal community around. But the math doesn’t add up. If Bryce dragged in the money (and DAZ knows how much Bryce users spend and when) then DAZ would snag the talent. DAZ would be falling over themselves finding the developers to get things moving.
And trust me: developers are there. If the demand was there, the developers would be there: DAZ would be putting out emails saying “Hang in there, community, we’re getting you the service you want as fast as we can!”, or after 18 months, say, they’d be demo-ing a new way to go at some trade show, or launching announcements/updates on the DAZ forums.
Can anyone provide one good reason why, if a piece of software was being developed right now, the company making it would be completely silent about it? I can: so competitors don’t get advanced warning of a new thing.
...Does this sound like a position even REMOTELY like DAZ has with Bryce??? Can anyone point to another piece of competing or superior 3D software that pinched ideas from Bryce as far back as Bryce 5, say?
There’s not even a hint of acknowledgement that DAZ are progressing on Bryce. And I don’t blame DAZ for Bryce’s inactivity. It’s easy to understand. I don’t think there’s a surprise waiting around the corner.
Adobe stopped developing/supporting PageMaker, a flagship product for 15 years, at around 2004. Adobe announced they would continue selling it, but encouraged PageMaker users to move to InDesign. Currently, PageMaker is still being sold to users with old systems on old computers, often middle-eastern users or old-school hobbyists. It costs Adobe nothing to sell, and there’s no Adobe support for PageMaker, just a few passionate users in forums, doing it for free. It’s money in, no money out.
Compare with Bryce. DAZ has NOT announced it has stopped development for Bryce. DAZ continued to sell it, and then gave it away free for a while, and then under new management started selling it again, but encouraged Brycers to move to Carrara in 2011. Currently, Bryce is still being sold to users with old systems on old computers, often middle-eastern users (Hi, Waleed!) or old-school hobbyists. It costs DAZ nothing to sell, and there’s no DAZ support, just a few passionate users in forums, doing it for free. It’s money in, no money out.
There are only two differences between Adobe selling PageMaker and DAZ selling Bryce. First, Adobe announced it was no longer supporting its product, and second, DAZ’s real money spinner isn’t applications, it’s consumables: models, ani-blocks, scenery.
Bryce is a portal to DAZ’s shop. That’s why DAZ won’t announce Bryce’s retirement, nor Hexagon’s. Anyone remember what turned Bryce 5 to Bryce 5.5? That’s right: DAZ | Studio Bridge. Now Brycers could create animorphs! Oh - can’t make them? No problem, we’ll SELL you some!
I like using Bryce. It’s a crazy program, and I still only know about 40% of it (the DTE still flummoxes me). But there’s no way this program can upgrade as much as it needs to and still be the Bryce I’m familiar with at the end of it. Some things need to go. Others need to be completely overhauled. It might as well be a new program. Bryce is a hammer, not some old faithful dog. If the hammer is no longer adequate for the job you get a better hammer: you don’t try and make the hammer comfortable so that it can pass its remaining years in pain-free untroubled bliss.