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Is Genesis 1 obsolete now that Genesis 2 is here?
Posted: 25 July 2013 11:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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hi, i’m a newb. i’m a bit intimidated by all of the different versions.

purchased aiko3 because of the content for it.

thought about getting victoria 4.2 base (deviant bundle), but should i get victoria 5 or 6 instead?

thanks.

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Posted: 26 July 2013 01:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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i was working with V4.2 before too as i knew how to handle it on DS so i thought i would keep it and i still use V4.2 but when i switched to Genesis i thought why i didnt switched earlier as they are much easier to handle, the same is about V5.
I also use V6 and Genesis 2 and they all are the same system but worth to get them all as there are some little differences.

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Posted: 26 July 2013 01:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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en0k - 25 July 2013 11:05 PM

hi, i’m a newb. i’m a bit intimidated by all of the different versions.

purchased aiko3 because of the content for it.

thought about getting victoria 4.2 base (deviant bundle), but should i get victoria 5 or 6 instead?

thanks.

V5 or 6 is better at the end as most of the cloth content for example can be fitted to them whats also a good point to Genesis models.
If you have V4.2 u can only use V4.2 content for it.

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Posted: 31 July 2013 02:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Personally I prefer Genesis, because of its better value than Genesis 2/V6.  If you buy legacy shapes, and GenX to transfer morphs, you can use most generation 4 textures on Genesis, and there’s SO much variety mixing and matching all the genesis shapes.

Genesis 2 is a more detailed barbie, but she lacks the versatility of Genesis, can’t use most of the textures, can’t use the same morphs, and clothes have to be autofitted and there’s no autofit “fix” for it yet like SickleYield made for Genesis.

When you buy something for genesis, you have tons of value- the clothes will fit ALL the genesis shapes, and will mix and match, and textures can mix and match (for exampel, body texture from V4, eyes from V5, eye reflection from hitomi). Morphs are mixed and matched- use some freak or heroic morphs to make a ‘Gai’ for V5.  Make a more androgenous male shape. Make a child, or a baby.  Make a hulk, make an animal, make a minotaur, make a fish person, make a bird…. All in genesis.  If I buy a Horse head shape for Genesis, i automatically have a horse head shape for Male, female, and child Genesis.  It’s fitting the whole gene pool.  However if you get the same shape for genesis 2, your’e stuck in one gender, and age range.  Every potential for Genesis 2 is halved or more. 

Don’t get me wrong, Genesis 2 is a lovely female figure.  But I’d rather have potential and endless possibility over a slightly more detailed female shape.  SO I keep passing over the Genesis 2 stuff in the store and I’m sticking to Genesis.  Genesis is still NEW after all. There’s not half enough for genesis that is out.  if i want a female only shape there’s V4 or .... dare I say it? Dawn. wink

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Posted: 11 August 2013 02:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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chohole - 20 July 2013 09:38 AM

A simple answer is no. Genesis and Genesis 2F are both available and both are free with DS 4.6. A spokesperson for DAZ 3D has stated in another thread in the Commons that there is no plan to lose either figure. Genesis 2F is simply an additional figure, not a replacement figure.

Where are they hiding?  Do they have aliases?  I’m a DAZ noob so ... should I re-download and re-install DZ 4.6?  And if so - is the SN included in the DL for activation?  I’d rather NOT have to go through that process again.

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Posted: 11 August 2013 03:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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chohole - 20 July 2013 09:38 AM

A simple answer is no. Genesis and Genesis 2F are both available and both are free with DS 4.6. A spokesperson for DAZ 3D has stated in another thread in the Commons that there is no plan to lose either figure. Genesis 2F is simply an additional figure, not a replacement figure.

Where are they hiding?  Do they have aliases?  I’m a DAZ noob so ... should I re-download and re-install DZ 4.6?  And if so - is the SN included in the DL for activation?  I’d rather NOT have to go through that process again.

Starter essentials and starter essentials 2 are found here if you check your product libary, and should also be avialable to download through DIM

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Posted: 11 August 2013 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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TYVM for the links.  Will install the essentials et al and hopefully won’t have to re-install DAZ 4.6.

[Just had to unplug the kitchen drain pipes.  A fitting end (hopefully) to a less than stellar day.]

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Posted: 12 August 2013 02:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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belovedalia - 31 July 2013 02:04 AM

Personally I prefer Genesis, because of its better value than Genesis 2/V6.  If you buy legacy shapes, and GenX to transfer morphs, you can use most generation 4 textures on Genesis, and there’s SO much variety mixing and matching all the genesis shapes.

Genesis 2 is a more detailed barbie, but she lacks the versatility of Genesis, can’t use most of the textures, can’t use the same morphs, and clothes have to be autofitted and there’s no autofit “fix” for it yet like SickleYield made for Genesis.

When you buy something for genesis, you have tons of value- the clothes will fit ALL the genesis shapes, and will mix and match, and textures can mix and match (for exampel, body texture from V4, eyes from V5, eye reflection from hitomi). Morphs are mixed and matched- use some freak or heroic morphs to make a ‘Gai’ for V5.  Make a more androgenous male shape. Make a child, or a baby.  Make a hulk, make an animal, make a minotaur, make a fish person, make a bird…. All in genesis.  If I buy a Horse head shape for Genesis, i automatically have a horse head shape for Male, female, and child Genesis.  It’s fitting the whole gene pool.  However if you get the same shape for genesis 2, your’e stuck in one gender, and age range.  Every potential for Genesis 2 is halved or more. 

Don’t get me wrong, Genesis 2 is a lovely female figure.  But I’d rather have potential and endless possibility over a slightly more detailed female shape.  SO I keep passing over the Genesis 2 stuff in the store and I’m sticking to Genesis.  Genesis is still NEW after all. There’s not half enough for genesis that is out.  if i want a female only shape there’s V4 or .... dare I say it? Dawn. wink

Well said…I also prefer Genesis 1 as it is more versatile and gives value for money.

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Posted: 12 August 2013 03:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Dunno if I can agree with that. It all depends on what you want. If you are looking to create human females, V6 will be better value IMO.

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Posted: 12 August 2013 03:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Elele - 12 August 2013 03:16 AM

Dunno if I can agree with that. It all depends on what you want. If you are looking to create human females, V6 will be better value IMO.

If you’re only going to do renders of females and nothing else…yeah sure. As I tend to prefer a bit of variety in my renders, male, female and child and don’t want to have to buy separate morphs, clothing and textures it works out as more value to go with Gen1. Each to their own…

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Posted: 12 August 2013 03:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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I see no reason both do not have value, Genesis 1 for it’s full morphing ability. Need a monster do it, need crowd filler dial them. Need a Female as a close up Running from a Monster? G2F and it’s morphing for a good looking female. I’m looking forward to G2M also for that very same reason.

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Posted: 12 August 2013 05:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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chohole - 20 July 2013 09:38 AM

A simple answer is no. Genesis and Genesis 2F are both available and both are free with DS 4.6. A spokesperson for DAZ 3D has stated in another thread in the Commons that there is no plan to lose either figure. Genesis 2F is simply an additional figure, not a replacement figure.

any chance of a linkie pwease cho?

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Posted: 12 August 2013 05:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Szark - 12 August 2013 05:05 AM
chohole - 20 July 2013 09:38 AM

A simple answer is no. Genesis and Genesis 2F are both available and both are free with DS 4.6. A spokesperson for DAZ 3D has stated in another thread in the Commons that there is no plan to lose either figure. Genesis 2F is simply an additional figure, not a replacement figure.

any chance of a linkie pwease cho?

Ugh, now he asks, Was more than 3 weeks ago, I can’t remember where things are that was posted only a day or 2 ago. rolleyes

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Posted: 12 August 2013 06:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Well 3 weeks ago, yes I saw that one and it fell short of the info I was after and I thought a more indepth answer was recently posted…so no biggie.

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Posted: 18 August 2013 01:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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With all of the amazing new products coming available for Genesis 1, I can see that this wonderful figure has made its place in the stream of how things shall be! Yaaaay! Well, I actually had that good feeling all along. DAZ3D had just made a major shapes release of several ‘Monstrosities” just before the release of Genesis 2 Female. I love those big bad monsters! I am also equally as pumped about Genesis 2! I’m the sort of content user (needer) that prefers a good selection. Genesis is a huge selection, but Genesis 2 is so heroic. Gia is one bad chick! Girl 6 is gorgeous - well, so is Girl 5, 4 and the original “The Girl”. I own and love them all. Well, I will be owning G6 as soon as they launch her… she’s the hottest ‘The Girl’ yet! Did you see those PC sneak peeks? Yikes! Ouch!

Ringo keeping up with the shaders ensures that we can have professional grade shaders for these wonderful figure shapes, and he’s agreed to make any of them that we need - so if you have a favorite that you’re waiting for, I’d suggest giving him a nudge in any of the open threads he has in here, rather than a PM, so that others with the same need can cast their vote along with you.

I know that I’ve been all over the place talking like this, but I feel that it’s an important discovery that I’d like the whole world to know:
DAZ 3D has easy, step by step instructions for helping anyone whom may want to make something, anything, for Genesis using the great tools they’ve given us by allowing all of us to download a free copy of Daz Studio Pro, which includes hundreds of dollars worth of incredible Content Creation Tools (CCT). The stuff I’ve been reading pertains to making conforming clothing, etc., and the guide claims to be a W.I.P., but is excellent at explaining what needs to be done to actually complete the process from start to finish. It even offers a texture that you can apply to your models to assist in appropriate UV Map production - which DAZ 3D takes very seriously.

After seeing, over the years, how helpful DAZ is at helping us all to better ourselves in any avenue of Digital Art, is it any wonder that I get a bit overly upset when I see conspiracy theories revolving against them? They give more than I give back to them, that’s for sure. Which is part of my reason for coming into this forum as often as I can, and helping out in any way that I can. I do it for DAZ, which, since you’re likely logged in as you’re reading this, means you, too! Digital Art Zone in 3 Dimensions (DAZ 3D) is a place of sharing. The small amounts of money that it costs to buy anything that’s for sale at this place is tiny compared to what it takes to produce such things - and that is not entirely true at all of the places where we spend our hard earned money.

Okay… off on a tangent again, eh, Dartan?

Alright. Well I can truly and honestly predict that Genesis 1 is here to stay. And with DAZ’s help, we can all do anything we are willing to do to make it work exactly as we need it to. The amazing talents of the DAZ 3D Software Development Team have taken Daz Studio to heights we’d never have imagined back when they were readying to release version 1.0 back in the day. Carrara has expanded into being the perfect suite of features needed to create stunning animations, renders, web graphics, simulations… a complete authoring suite, as they call it, which it is! Please try not to read into personal negativity too deeply, nor should we ever dismiss it as irrelevant. Such is why I like to do my best to quell any sort of conundrum that might occur - no matter what someone might be trying to do with the incredibly amazing Carrara. But if there might be something that you just cannot do in Carrara, it might not be that it is undo-able in Carrara, and it certainly does not mean that DAZ 3D is trying to keep you from doing it… but if we work together in a manner that inspires art, not fueling harmful emotion, it is likely that, one way or another, we WILL find a solution! wink

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