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Versatility vs specificity
Posted: 18 July 2013 03:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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RCDeschene - 18 July 2013 02:38 PM

Fine how’s THIS little gem, then? :3

I lose *frown*

KickAir 8P - 18 July 2013 02:51 PM

See what?  Genesis2Male isn’t here for us to see yet, and until it is we’ve got no way to evaluate the various DAZzlers’ pie-in-the-sky-by-and-by statements.

I lose again *sadface*

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Posted: 18 July 2013 03:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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larsmidnatt - 18 July 2013 02:25 PM

Yeah I remember that. I think it still applies kinda sorta. Cause one could argue they have two figures in the middle, one is G2F and one is G2M. See!

That’s an old image. But nice example. They are Victoria 5 and Michael 5. Same base.
Versatility “I have come to expect from Genesis” and that Genesis 2 Female lacks.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 03:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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I agree that G2F has nothing of Genesis versatility and that this last line in Gia blurb looks like a deliberate “take that” to people who think so.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 03:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Kattey - 18 July 2013 03:36 PM

I agree that G2F has nothing of Genesis versatility and that this last line in Gia blurb looks like a deliberate “take that” to people who think so.

Yep — essentially, that line is DAZ telling us it’s raining.  It’s not rain.  It stinks.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 03:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I think it is funny that they also put “can share most clothing, hair and morphs with Victoria 6” as if Victoria 6 was a separate figure and not 100% symbiotic morph of the same very base that you can dial in any proportion with or without Gia. Does that mean that Gia isn’t comparable even with all G2F things? Promo certainly tells me she isn’t, because “most” isn’t “all”.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 04:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I may just buy She-Freak V4, $1.99 PC, GenX her and call it a day. A lot cheaper too, and I like some of the facial morphs she comes with.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 04:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Vaskania - 18 July 2013 04:06 PM

I may just buy She-Freak V4, $1.99 PC, GenX her and call it a day. A lot cheaper too, and I like some of the facial morphs she comes with.

I did a long time ago and it was worth it. Actually I just mentioned that to someone else…You get 8 head shapes, and 4 body shapes. 4!

And if you GenX or transfer them over you can dial them in to G1 or G2 with ease. Awesome stuff.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 04:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Please keep this conversation civil and on topic, without the speculation and unnecessary accusations which are marring the general discussion.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 04:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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It really doesn’t seem like anything new is being said.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 04:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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larsmidnatt - 18 July 2013 04:11 PM
Vaskania - 18 July 2013 04:06 PM

I may just buy She-Freak V4, $1.99 PC, GenX her and call it a day. A lot cheaper too, and I like some of the facial morphs she comes with.

I did a long time ago and it was worth it. Actually I just mentioned that to someone else…You get 8 head shapes, and 4 body shapes. 4!

And if you GenX or transfer them over you can dial them in to G1 or G2 with ease. Awesome stuff.

Did you use Kattey’s method to get her to G2 (I’m assuming you mean G2F), or did you get the G2 shape into G1?

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Posted: 18 July 2013 04:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Vaskania - 18 July 2013 04:23 PM

Did you use Kattey’s method to get her to G2 (I’m assuming you mean G2F), or did you get the G2 shape into G1?

I had already transferred She freak over to Genesis 1, and then when I transferred my Genesis 1 shapes over to G2F the she freak morphs came along with it.

chohole - 18 July 2013 04:12 PM

Please keep this conversation civil and on topic, without the speculation and unnecessary accusations which are marring the general discussion.

I guess I’m missing the good stuff. Everything is civil here.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 04:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Vaskania - 18 July 2013 04:23 PM

Did you use Kattey’s method to get her to G2 (I’m assuming you mean G2F), or did you get the G2 shape into G1?

I had already transferred She freak over to Genesis 1, and then when I transferred my Genesis 1 shapes over to G2F the she freak morphs came along with it.

Nice. Thanks.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 05:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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RCDeschene - 18 July 2013 10:59 AM

Because she is based on the Genesis 2 Female base, she can share most clothing, hair and morphs with Victoria 6 to give you the versatility you have come to expect from Genesis.


Really? Just MOST? Not ALL? I thought the whole thing with abandoning Genesis as a concept was because sticking with separate male and female meshes meant that all those nasty clothes correction problems with a unimesh were going to now be a thing of the past. Wasn’t THAT the entire reason for the split? To increase gender clothes compatibility? So we’re failing on the entire reason for the new mesh right out the gate?

Well… I guess that makes abandoning the Genesis concept totally worth it.

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Posted: 18 July 2013 05:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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I can buy into the “even more gender-specific detailing” polemic right up until I drop her pants… umm, where’s the detail?  Wait, wait, hang on, here’s a plaster cast static model of just the front half of the nether regions… it’s a bit like giving a kid a pretend bag of sweets then wondering why they’re not happy.

Is the all-things-female versatility only intended for clothed renders?  O yes, nice sculpting and all that, but the advantages are counterbalanced by the most frustrating of limitations that are as much a commercial decision as the “need” to split genders in the first place.  I want my elite figure, my muse, to be capable of what I want it to do, not what somebody else tells me it should do.

I’ve bought V6 and Gia.  I like them, but I’m still waiting for the promised bells & whistles that G2F is meant to deliver. 

OK, even more UV maps?  Great, but if we’re being so picky about the tiniest of skin texture stretching that means making more UV’s, where’s the same commitment to realistic hair and clothes?  If the quality mismatch doesn’t get addressed, all that effort and additional expense will deliver something no more impressive than decade-old technology.

To cut a long story short, I’m not yet seeing enough specificity to merit the abandonment of versatility.  But time will tell, and PA’s are perhaps the best source of delivering what I’m hoping for - maybe should just think of DAZ as providing the foundation on which others will build…

...but all the extras will surely cost megabucks, and my wallet is already empty, LOL

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Posted: 18 July 2013 07:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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No one figure is going to please everyone.  Also there is no perfect solution for the figures either.  While a single base mesh has its strengths it also has its weaknesses.  The same is true for the split male and female based meshes.  Concerning Gia, the thought crossed my mind that not everyone is going to want to buy V6 and the muscle and body morphs to get a muscular female character but with Gia they can have that styled character at a lower cost.  Though she is not perfect and will not please everyone.  Most if not all of us tend to eventually settle for a certain figure for different reasons and and dont always see the need or reason for another figure.  Especially one of the same gender.

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