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I want V4 Products not V5 or V6. Planned Obsolescence Has To Stop.
Posted: 04 July 2013 01:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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DAZ’s planned obsolescence has to stop.  Enough is enough.

And you know that V4 is becoming obsolete how?

The same way I knowV1,  V2 and V3 are becoming obsolete.

That is no answer.  You need to present facts before making such a claim.  V4 is alive and well based on the fact that content is still being made for her and is available in the store.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 01:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 12:13 PM

A hundred years later, 250-million-dollar feature films are still shot on film.

Completely different film than initially used.

Fauvist - 04 July 2013 12:13 PM

You can still watch I LOVE LUCY on an iPad.  You can watch THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY from 1903 on your iPhone.

You can still use Victoria 1 in DS 4.6.

Fauvist - 04 July 2013 12:13 PM

After 29 centuries, the finest clothing is still made from silk.

After a somewhat less lengthy span of time, Victoria 6 was still made from polygons.

Fauvist - 04 July 2013 12:13 PM

Old tech doesn’t hold you back.  Old thinking holds you back.

I have to agree with you there. There are always ways to push even further with the tools we have - this is exactly what was done progressing from V4 to V6.

Pretty much everything for V4 works with V6 with an inexpensive V4 addon anyway - using autofit and taking an extra step to convert clothing though Genesis you don’t even need that addon for anything but textures, is there some item in particular you are worried about?

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Posted: 04 July 2013 02:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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I support V4.
I’ll keep buying V4 for the forseable future.

I would like to see more good stuff coming out, but I do realise a few people enjoy the new V5 &V6; and we don’t want them feeling left out.

I’m a serious music fan, but I prefer CDs because of their portability and the ability to make high quality copies to keep in the car, etc.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 02:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Most people have moved on to the new figures. Now that Genesis 2 came out Generation 4 figures are 2 versions back. I can see some vendors still support them cause there are diehards but I think most PA’s are gonna go where the money is.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 02:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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I want V4 Products not V5 or V6. Planned Obsolescence Has To Stop.


I want Genesis and Genesis 2 products, not V4. Does my opinion and those who share it carry less weight than yours?

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Posted: 04 July 2013 03:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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We went from records to 8-track, cassettes, CDs. mp3 . . . .

Innovation is not likely to stop.l

And now any serious music lover is going back to vinyl records - and the record companies are producing them again.

Not entirely accurate. It is a niche market, and many “serious” music lovers, myself included enjoy the advantages of CDs over vinyl. I sold my library of 200+ vinyl records as soon as I was able to replace the majority of them on CD. I hate pops and ticks and background noise. For me they destroy the illusion of reality more than the sonic imperfections of the digital format. I am a classical musician and educator with a BM and more than enough additional hours to have a Masters if I wanted to jump through some hoops. I know the plus and minuses of each medium, can hear the plus and minuses of each medium, and have made my choice. Nothing is perfect. Live is best.

Similarly, you cannot say that any serious 3D artist must use Genesis 2 technology, not that you did. We all make our decisions for many different reasons, but as long as they are based on facts, my choices are as valid as yours, I draw the line at Genesis, you at Generation 4. We both have our reasons. But please don’t make a statement about all serious music lovers, or all serious 3D artists, or all serious sports fans etc.

Interesting comments. I appreciate your thoughts on the music recording medium.
It will be a long time probably, before I get around to getting V6, if at all, simply because I already have so much V4 material to use and learn from.

As for the CD/LP question, it usually requires a hefty investment in very good equipment to really bring out the quality in LP or CD.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 04:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 12:57 PM
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Most of the recent blockbuster films have been shot digitally and not on film. Anything 3D has to have been done digitally

Iron Man, Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, and the brand new MAN OF STEEL were shot on 35mm film - just like BIRTH OF A NATION was in 1915.  The movie industry uses a digital intermediate.

This is because 35mm film has the detail equivalent of between 5 and 15 megapixels per frame (for comparison, the highest standard resolution for digital cinema is about 9 megapixels, and a more common one has a quarter of that) and has a much better color range than most digital systems.  However, about half the fine detail is lost with each film-to-film copy, so going through digital intermediates results in better quality in the final product.

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Not interested in the giant leap backwards that is “Genesis 2”.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 05:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 11:34 AM

I have a ton of morphs and poses and clothes and hair and textures for Victoria 4 - that I can’t use on V6.  I want to be able to use the stuff I already have, and I want new content for V4 to go with it. 

The V6 content that was put on sale today are things I really want - but there’s no way I’m buy it when I have so much invested in V4.  It’s a real shame.

If DAZ wants to add thousands of polygons to Victoria’s face, they don’t need to make a whole new figure.  They can make a mask of a face that will fit V4 - a mask of a face with the thousands of new polygons.  Then the thousands of people who have V4 can simply fit the mask over V4’s face, make V4’s face invisible, and use the new face possibilities.  If a new face mask isn’t possible, then just make a new head, so we can make V4’s head invisible and parent the new head to V4’s neck.  I know absolutely that that will work because I use third generation heads of both male and female figures on fourth generation figures by making the third generation body invisible and parenting the head to the fourth generation neck - and making the 4th generation head invisible.

Similarly, all the other changes to Victoria could be incorporated into V4. 

Any content artists reading this could make a LOT of money by modeling a high-polygon facemask with infinite expression-pose possibilities, and infinite character morph possibilities - a face mask to fit on V4 and V3 and the male figures.

This constant rebuying has to stop.  DAZ’s planned obsolescence has to stop.  Enough is enough.

Your suggestion won’t keep the lights on at DAZ (or any other storefront for that matter).  They need people buying new content - they are first & foremost a brokerage, with software development on the side.

DAZ is not going to “fix” V4, when they have a shiny new razor-blade that they want to sell to their customer base.  If you want “fixes” for V4, there is an entire cottage industry on other storefronts devoted to fixing most of the flaws in the figure.

Asking everyone to stay with Poser 4 tech because you don’t want to move forward is a bit much.  The DS users are moving forward with Gen1 & Gen 2, that take full advantage of whatever DS brings to the table, and the Poser community is moving forward with other characters that take full advantage of Posers advances over the last 6 versions.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Here’s where I think the point is:

CD vs. Vinyl - Clear advantages and some disadvantages going to the new medium. Advantages outweighed disadvantages to most users so people bought the new technology. The music industry took advantage of their customers by keeping the price of CDs artificially high and is a mere shadow of what it was at it’s peak.

Generation 4 vs. Generation 5 - Clear advantages to the customer moving to Generation 5 with the exception of Poser users. I don’t own Poser, but Gen 5 is considered a PITA to use in Poser by many Poser users. Gen 4 has been kept alive because of this situation, mainly at “that other store,” and by releasing figures with functionality in both generations.

Generation 5 vs. Generation 6 - Advantages murky to many customers. A step backward for many since it reverts back to the gender split of Gen 4, which was the single feature that sold many on Generation 5. Brought out sooner than any generation change in DAZ history. Unlike Generation 5, a product needed to be purchased to use content from the previous generation, content that could have been purchased 1 second before the release of Generation 6. DAZ had made little effort to convince it’s customers that have been with them the longest that Generation 6 has more advantages than disadvantages. Some PAs have tried, but they came off as insiders who have something that is an advantage to them, not the customer. The newer customers to DAZ don’t have as much invested in older generations, they move forward, they don’t need to be convinced. The customers that have been with DAZ for years, need to be convinced, not held in contempt for having a strong opinion.

The music industry for years relied on their lawyers to prosecute pirates and make it next to impossible distribute mp3s legally. They even alienated a number of their own artists in the battle. Well, they may have won the battle, but they lost the war. Their version of the story is video beat them. The reality is they got greedy and shot themselves in the foot.

IMHO if the CD had been introduced the way V6 was, it would have been a flop.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 05:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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I want products for a figure that will work natively in Poser, preferably with technological advances comparable to what DS users enjoy with Genesis.  Genesis/V5/V6 doesn’t do that, so until that figure is released and sufficient content providers support it, I continue to purchase for V4.  Unfortunately, while Roxie is fun to work with and bends better in Poser than Genesis, she’s not going to get the support of enough content providers.

Now ... once that native Poser figure arrives, my money will go to those content providers who support it.  I’d hoped DAZ would provide us a native Poser figure again, but that hasn’t happened.  Such is life.

I’m not tied to my V4 content ... or rather using my V4 content ONLY on V4, nor am I opposed to technological progress.  It would be really odd if I did considering I work in IT.


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SnowSultan - 04 July 2013 02:53 PM

I want V4 Products not V5 or V6. Planned Obsolescence Has To Stop.


I want Genesis and Genesis 2 products, not V4. Does my opinion and those who share it carry less weight than yours?

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Posted: 04 July 2013 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 11:34 AM

I have a ton of morphs and poses and clothes and hair and textures for Victoria 4 - that I can’t use on V6.  I want to be able to use the stuff I already have, and I want new content for V4 to go with it.

That is what I am talking about since genesis came out. I am still working with the good old v4.2. I have tried to get my Dixie character to genesis v4 version but it do not look the same and also a lot of products I have do not work on genesis.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 06:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 11:34 AM

*snip*

DAZ’s planned obsolescence has to stop.  Enough is enough.

And you know that V4 is becoming obsolete how?

The same way I knowV1,  V2 and V3 are becoming obsolete.

That is no answer.  You need to present facts before making such a claim.  V4 is alive and well based on the fact that content is still being made for her and is available in the store.

visit renderosity…there are many new v4 products every day, much much more then for genesis and I do not see a reason to buy all new for a figure I really don`t like and that is genesis and its versions.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 06:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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by the way, that is a reason why I buy more at renderosity then here at daz, before gensis it wasn`t so, but since daz came out with genesis I spent more money at renderosity then here at the daz store and in the meanwhile I have much more in my content that I have bought at renderosity like I have bought here. And I am speeking not of just a bit of money I have spent at renderosity.

If daz has new figures it is okay, but they should support their old figures also. Visit renderosity and have a look how huge the v4 content is and how much is added to that every day (week)

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Posted: 04 July 2013 06:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Frank0314 - 04 July 2013 02:48 PM

Most people have moved on to the new figures. Now that Genesis 2 came out Generation 4 figures are 2 versions back. I can see some vendors still support them cause there are diehards but I think most PA’s are gonna go where the money is.

If there is supposedly so much money in Genesis and supposedly so many people buyt content for it and they are making so much money, how come there’s a Genesis2 Female already?  If Genesis is such a cash-cow, why not roll with it until it exhausts itself?  How many content creators are going to continue making content for Genesis, now that there’s a new figure - and soon to be a new male figure?  How many DAZ shoppers are going to buy Genesis content anymore - when you can potentially buy it for Genesis2.  And if there’s a Victoria6 there is probably going to be a Michael6 and Freak6 and Hiro6 and Aiko6 and David6 and Stephanie6 and Girl6.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 06:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 06:06 PM

If there is supposedly so much money in Genesis and supposedly so many people buyt content for it and they are making so much money, how come there’s a Genesis2 Female already?

Because the Genesis 2 Female is a giant step forward from the Genesis Basic Female. Enough so that DAZ feels confident they’ll make even more off of it.

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