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I want V4 Products not V5 or V6. Planned Obsolescence Has To Stop.
Posted: 04 July 2013 11:34 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I have a ton of morphs and poses and clothes and hair and textures for Victoria 4 - that I can’t use on V6.  I want to be able to use the stuff I already have, and I want new content for V4 to go with it. 

The V6 content that was put on sale today are things I really want - but there’s no way I’m buy it when I have so much invested in V4.  It’s a real shame.

If DAZ wants to add thousands of polygons to Victoria’s face, they don’t need to make a whole new figure.  They can make a mask of a face that will fit V4 - a mask of a face with the thousands of new polygons.  Then the thousands of people who have V4 can simply fit the mask over V4’s face, make V4’s face invisible, and use the new face possibilities.  If a new face mask isn’t possible, then just make a new head, so we can make V4’s head invisible and parent the new head to V4’s neck.  I know absolutely that that will work because I use third generation heads of both male and female figures on fourth generation figures by making the third generation body invisible and parenting the head to the fourth generation neck - and making the 4th generation head invisible.

Similarly, all the other changes to Victoria could be incorporated into V4. 

Any content artists reading this could make a LOT of money by modeling a high-polygon facemask with infinite expression-pose possibilities, and infinite character morph possibilities - a face mask to fit on V4 and V3 and the male figures.

This constant rebuying has to stop.  DAZ’s planned obsolescence has to stop.  Enough is enough.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 11:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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We went from records to 8-track, cassettes, CDs. mp3 . . . .

Innovation is not likely to stop.

I believe this new V4 product was released this week http://www.daz3d.com/new-releases/hot-uniforms-college-girl

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Posted: 04 July 2013 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Mr Leong - 04 July 2013 11:47 AM

We went from records to 8-track, cassettes, CDs. mp3 . . . .

Innovation is not likely to stop.l

And now any serious music lover is going back to vinyl records - and the record companies are producing them again.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I don’t think vendors will stop making gen4 content. The only reason they would is if it stopped selling. But many stores v4 is their bread and butter.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Kludging fixes and bolting on improvements is a very bad way to go forward, you are always ultimately going to be held back by the old tech.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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SereneNight - 04 July 2013 11:51 AM

I don’t think vendors will stop making gen4 content. The only reason they would is if it stopped selling. But many stores v4 is their bread and butter.

From all your posts, you seem to know what you’re talking about.  Would it be so impossibly difficult for DAZ to release a V4 version of any clothes they make for V6?  Or hair?

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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-willowfan- - 04 July 2013 12:08 PM

Kludging fixes and bolting on improvements is a very bad way to go forward, you are always ultimately going to be held back by the old tech.

A hundred years later, 250-million-dollar feature films are still shot on film.  You can still watch I LOVE LUCY on an iPad.  You can watch THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY from 1903 on your iPhone.  After 29 centuries, the finest clothing is still made from silk.  Old tech doesn’t hold you back.  Old thinking holds you back.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 11:51 AM

And now any serious music lover is going back to vinyl records - and the record companies are producing them again.

Although the key word is “serious”, not the majority. 

In a consumer based society, the majority seems to always go after the next big thing.

Just curious, are you using Daz Studio?  If so, what version?

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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[quote author=“Mr Leong” date=“1372961647” Just curious, are you using Daz Studio?  If so, what version?

I use Poser Pro 2012.  I feel DAZ invented DAZ Studio and lets people have it for free for the sole purpose of attracting new users to 3D art in order to buy DAZ content.

 

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Mr Leong - 04 July 2013 12:14 PM
Fauvist - 04 July 2013 11:51 AM

And now any serious music lover is going back to vinyl records - and the record companies are producing them again.

Although the key word is “serious”, not the majority.

The majority of 3D artists, and the majority of DAZ content buyers, don’t use Victoria 6.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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SereneNight - 04 July 2013 11:51 AM

I don’t think vendors will stop making gen4 content. The only reason they would is if it stopped selling. But many stores v4 is their bread and butter.

From all your posts, you seem to know what you’re talking about.  Would it be so impossibly difficult for DAZ to release a V4 version of any clothes they make for V6?  Or hair?

Figures would be hard to convert - aside from the shape, and auto-conversion is not going to be good enough for a store item so that involves a fair bit of work in a modeller, the rigging system used by V4 is different from that used by Genesis 1 and 2 and “uphill” - going from the Genesis system to V4 or M4 would be like trying to reproduce an image with a blend between two circles. Tools like AuroFit (which goes from V4 to Genesis, not vice versa(, the morph transfer tool and even GenX for morph conversion will be good enough for many uses, but they usually won’t pass most stores QA.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Please avoid turning this into yet another Daz Studio versus Poser “war”.  Thank you

DAZ 3D made the DSON importer in order for Poser users to be able to use it’s newer figures.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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chohole - 04 July 2013 12:26 PM

Please avoid turning this into yet another Daz Studio versus Poser “war”.  Thankyou DAZ 3D made the DSON importer in order for Poser users to be able to use it’s newer figures.

This has nothing to do with DAZ Studio versus Poser - the issue of incompatible content between generations of figures equally affects DAZ Studio and Poser.  So forget the DAZ Studio versus Poser conflict idea.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 12:09 PM
SereneNight - 04 July 2013 11:51 AM

I don’t think vendors will stop making gen4 content. The only reason they would is if it stopped selling. But many stores v4 is their bread and butter.

From all your posts, you seem to know what you’re talking about.  Would it be so impossibly difficult for DAZ to release a V4 version of any clothes they make for V6?  Or hair?

I think your plea is to the wrong people as not every product released is even created by Daz. Take the new bodysuit for example—Smay made that.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Vaskania - 04 July 2013 12:32 PM

I think your plea is to the wrong people as not every product released is even created by Daz. Take the new bodysuit for example—Smay made that.

It would be impossible to make the plea to the hundreds of content creators that sell on DAZ and other sites.  This plea is for DAZ and all content creators.  They want to know how customers feel about their products.  It’s called “customer feedback”.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Fauvist - 04 July 2013 11:51 AM
Mr Leong - 04 July 2013 11:47 AM

We went from records to 8-track, cassettes, CDs. mp3 . . . .

Innovation is not likely to stop.l

And now any serious music lover is going back to vinyl records - and the record companies are producing them again.

Not entirely accurate. It is a niche market, and many “serious” music lovers, myself included enjoy the advantages of CDs over vinyl. I sold my library of 200+ vinyl records as soon as I was able to replace the majority of them on CD. I hate pops and ticks and background noise. For me they destroy the illusion of reality more than the sonic imperfections of the digital format. I am a classical musician and educator with a BM and more than enough additional hours to have a Masters if I wanted to jump through some hoops. I know the plus and minuses of each medium, can hear the plus and minuses of each medium, and have made my choice. Nothing is perfect. Live is best.

Similarly, you cannot say that any serious 3D artist must use Genesis 2 technology, not that you did. We all make our decisions for many different reasons, but as long as they are based on facts, my choices are as valid as yours, I draw the line at Genesis, you at Generation 4. We both have our reasons. But please don’t make a statement about all serious music lovers, or all serious 3D artists, or all serious sports fans etc.

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