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Posted: 02 July 2013 05:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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One thing you need before you have potential users is people knowing the app actually exists.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 01:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Right you are.
I have a feeling that they will be giving it more of a push once they have their flagship figure working comfortably within it. Who knows… they may have someone working on the pages for it as we speak.

0OSeven, one of the tricky situations in the store search criteria is that unless the product comes with Carrara shaders, it can’t really be listed as Carrara compatible. Carrara user must know what it is that they want to use and refine their own searches from there. Most products that I buy work beautifully in Carrara - but are not truly Carrara compatible because I have to tweak the shaders myself. But that’s fun!

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Posted: 02 July 2013 01:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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ManStan - 02 July 2013 05:30 AM

One thing you need before you have potential users is people knowing the app actually exists.

You got that right!

Which leads me to wonder… how did most of the Carrara users here actually become aware of Carrara?

For me, it happened before there was this thing called the World Wide Web.
In my mailbox I received an envelope with a glossy flier showcasing something called Ray Dream Designer. It was being offered for $99.95. At the time, I wasn’t aware of any other similar product within reach of the hobbyist (remember, there was no www, no google searches).
I bought it, and every version since.

I don’t know how I got on that original mailing list, but if not for that, I might not even know that Carrara exists today.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 01:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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I found C5pro on a magazine disc in 2009 a few months after getting a “proper” computer (had old one with Win98 before)
did not even know Daz owned it
was Evocia.
Exported a few browser models to iClone3 (my first 3D app) and rendered some preset scenes.
Printed out the manual.
then found out about Daz studio (again on a magazine disc)
soon discovered on forum they owned Carrara.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 01:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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wendy♥catz - 02 July 2013 01:35 PM

I found C5pro on a magazine disc in 2009 a few months after getting a “proper” computer (had old one with Win98 before)
did not even know Daz owned it
was Evocia.
Exported a few browser models to iClone3 (my first 3D app) and rendered some preset scenes.
Printed out the manual.
then found out about Daz studio (again on a magazine disc)
soon discovered on forum they owned Carrara.


So again, it was physical advertising that made the sale. Interresting.
Now that you’ve mentioned it, seems like a lot of people have said they first got Carrara in a magazine.


Evocia is actually Eovia.  :^)

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Posted: 02 July 2013 01:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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de3an - 02 July 2013 01:23 PM
ManStan - 02 July 2013 05:30 AM

One thing you need before you have potential users is people knowing the app actually exists.

You got that right!

Which leads me to wonder… how did most of the Carrara users here actually become aware of Carrara?

For me, it happened before there was this thing called the World Wide Web.
In my mailbox I received an envelope with a glossy flier showcasing something called Ray Dream Designer. It was being offered for $99.95. At the time, I wasn’t aware of any other similar product within reach of the hobbyist (remember, there was no www, no google searches).
I bought it, and every version since.

I don’t know how I got on that original mailing list, but if not for that, I might not even know that Carrara exists today.

Oh wow, someone else who remembers Ray Dream

I bought a bundle, yonks ago, which Had Bryce 3, Poser 3 and Ray Dream.  I am not a Carrara user as such, but I think my son discovered Carrara from a mag cover copy of an older version, to be honest. However he was thrilled to discover it was sold by DAZ 3D as he knew I had an account here, and as everyone knows tapping Mum for “a loan” is an easy way to get a newer copy.  lol He stareted his own account here, but used Mum’s paypal to pay for it.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 02:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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I’m one of many that owned carrara before DAZ.  I was a Terragen artiest for a long time, but I wanted to do more then vistas, about the time they started with T2; and an interface that completely lost me, I was looking for a good affordable CG app. After many trials it came down to Carrara and C4D. I went for carrara because they were about to intro this new feature that made it compatible with these premade Poser figures, and the idea of not having to model everything in scene sounded good to me. Considering my first and probably one of my best renders in carrara was all modeled from scratch. Took me a couple of months to set up the same scene I can set up in an afternoon now.

I recently redownloaded, got my old key, and reinstalled Terragen to make HDRIs for carrara because, lets face it, carrara atmospherics are weak; and that is putting it mildly. Now I just need to remember how to use TG, I was actually go with it at one time.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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chohole - 02 July 2013 01:56 PM
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ManStan - 02 July 2013 05:30 AM

One thing you need before you have potential users is people knowing the app actually exists.

You got that right!

Which leads me to wonder… how did most of the Carrara users here actually become aware of Carrara?

For me, it happened before there was this thing called the World Wide Web.
In my mailbox I received an envelope with a glossy flier showcasing something called Ray Dream Designer. It was being offered for $99.95. At the time, I wasn’t aware of any other similar product within reach of the hobbyist (remember, there was no www, no google searches).
I bought it, and every version since.

I don’t know how I got on that original mailing list, but if not for that, I might not even know that Carrara exists today.

Oh wow, someone else who remembers Ray Dream

I bought a bundle, yonks ago, which Had Bryce 3, Poser 3 and Ray Dream.  I am not a Carrara user as such, but I think my son discovered Carrara from a mag cover copy of an older version, to be honest. However he was thrilled to discover it was sold by DAZ 3D as he knew I had an account here, and as everyone knows tapping Mum for “a loan” is an easy way to get a newer copy.  lol He stareted his own account here, but used Mum’s paypal to pay for it.


I just realized that I failed to mention (for those who might not know) that Ray Dream Designer was Carrara’s original name, when it was created by Ray Dream Inc. back in the 1990s.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 02:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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That is the thing. I think you will find a majority of the carrara users ether had it before DAZ or got it free in a magazine.
It’s been my candid opinion for a while DAZ marketing just does not know how to market Carrara.

I’d love to see some marketing folk down here in the pit explaining why it seems Carrara,..... I don’t want to say takes a back burner to Studio, because it isn’t even that. More like Carrara is still in the freezer in the basement while Studio takes up all four burners on the stove.

What saddens me is there are a few of the carrara greats I haven’t seen post in ages. I hope they are just staying away from the furor of the forum and not moved on to something else.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 04:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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I think the problem is DAZ 3D make their money by selling content.

They Know DS uses Content, but many don’t seem to appreciate that both Carrara users and Bryce users also use content that is not specifically marlketed just for their chosen app..  Heck I have 53 pages of purchased content in my Product library, and 2 of those pages are bundles, which means they contain several products in each one.

We need to convince DAZ 3D that Bryce and Carrara users do still spend plenty of money at DAZ, it is not just the specific coontent they buy.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 05:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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chohole - 02 July 2013 01:56 PM
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ManStan - 02 July 2013 05:30 AM

One thing you need before you have potential users is people knowing the app actually exists.

You got that right!

Which leads me to wonder… how did most of the Carrara users here actually become aware of Carrara?

For me, it happened before there was this thing called the World Wide Web.
In my mailbox I received an envelope with a glossy flier showcasing something called Ray Dream Designer. It was being offered for $99.95. At the time, I wasn’t aware of any other similar product within reach of the hobbyist (remember, there was no www, no google searches).
I bought it, and every version since.

I don’t know how I got on that original mailing list, but if not for that, I might not even know that Carrara exists today.

Oh wow, someone else who remembers Ray Dream

I bought a bundle, yonks ago, which Had Bryce 3, Poser 3 and Ray Dream.  I am not a Carrara user as such, but I think my son discovered Carrara from a mag cover copy of an older version, to be honest. However he was thrilled to discover it was sold by DAZ 3D as he knew I had an account here, and as everyone knows tapping Mum for “a loan” is an easy way to get a newer copy.  lol He stareted his own account here, but used Mum’s paypal to pay for it.

I first discovered Carrara when I found it on a disc that came with one of the 3D magazines (don’t recall which one).  IIRC, it was Carrara 6.  I didn’t do much with it, except to register it here and eventually upgraded to C7 when it was on sale a couple/three months before C8 came out.  Because I was past the point of no return, I waited a while until I upgraded to C8.

That all said, I haven’t really played in Carrara until this year, and mostly with the 8.5 Beta, but I’m still trying to figure out a whole lot of things that just don’t seem to remotely work like any other 3D app I’ve ever played in, so it’s taking me a while to even get a decent render from it, but I’m persistent, and will get there eventually.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 06:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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It’s been ages ago, but a guy online who knew I wanted to use Poser/DAZ models for animation (this is back in the V2 days, but I wanted to use Poser/Zygote-then-DAZ models since I bought Poser from Egghead Software shorlty after I bought Animation:Master in 1994) and knew that I wasn’t getting anywhere with Animation:Master, and also knew I couldn’t afford Lightwave, suggested I get Carrara. He said Carrara was the closest thing to owning Lightwave and render quality was similar. I found RayDream at a computer show, I think, and followed the upgrade path to Carrara 2. I know DAZ ran big ads for Carrara in the CG mags when Howie’s scenes first hit big.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 06:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Every dime I have spent at DAZ has been for Carrara. Ether content for direct use, or Studio tools to use content better in carrara.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 06:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Infini-D was the competitor to Ray Dream way back.

Then Metacreations bought Specular (which owned Infini-D) and Ray Dream if I recall correctly. The first Carrara I believe was to be a Metacreations product based on Ray Dream and Infini-D, but then Metacreations broke up and Eovia bought Carrara. Metacreations 3d web technology became Viewpoint.

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Posted: 03 July 2013 05:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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McGuiver - 01 July 2013 08:43 AM

The showcase is Daz Studio…...Carrara, bryce etc….seem to be the ugly stepchildren.

I prefer to liken Carrara to a once-fine sports car, no wheels, on cinderblocks, in the side yard surrounded by overgrown grass.

If shared by others, this perception is also likely to impact sales.

0oseven - 01 July 2013 07:01 PM

As I was saying recently in a thread Carrara is never mentioned in the “compatible with” when it it is ie poser format.

Actually, I have seen a reference to Carrara being compatible with something. It was in a book on Unity (the 3D game engine), published October 2009, in which it listed applications which could create compatible, animatable models.

It was misspelled. (They spelled it “Carara”)

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