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Posted: 22 June 2013 04:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Well from a different perspective, I will continue to convert my library to Genesis1 and stabilize there. I do not plan to take the time to convert it wholesale to Gen6.

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Posted: 22 June 2013 04:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Gedd - 22 June 2013 04:12 PM

Well from a different perspective, I will continue to convert my library to Genesis1 and stabilize there. I do not plan to take the time to convert it wholesale to Gen6.

Ditto…I did buy v6 but genesis1 will remain my main character.

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Posted: 22 June 2013 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Agreed too. smile I didn’t buy V6 at all though. Just the G2F morph bundle and the V4 to G2F. But G1 will be my “most of the time” figure.
I did transfer all G1 morphs to G2F using Ben’s method because another character is always a good thing! LOL Just like I just bought Amity over at RO and she works a charm in DS too smile And the rumoured new figure will join them in my runtime right away too! The more the merrier. LOL
But G1 is still the be all-end all for me. smile

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Posted: 22 June 2013 06:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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SassyWench - 22 June 2013 05:47 PM

Agreed too. smile I didn’t buy V6 at all though. Just the G2F morph bundle and the V4 to G2F. But G1 will be my “most of the time” figure.
I did transfer all G1 morphs to G2F using Ben’s method because another character is always a good thing! LOL Just like I just bought Amity over at RO and she works a charm in DS too smile And the rumoured new figure will join them in my runtime right away too! The more the merrier. LOL
But G1 is still the be all-end all for me. smile

Your a step in front of me then. I looked at the method and my brain hurt…I’m not sure that I’m willing to go to that extent.

I’m also looking forward to the new figure as an additional tool in my runtime but I doubt that it will replace Genesis 1 unless it’s a figure that can do both male and female.

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Posted: 22 June 2013 06:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Pendraia - 22 June 2013 06:01 PM
SassyWench - 22 June 2013 05:47 PM

Agreed too. smile I didn’t buy V6 at all though. Just the G2F morph bundle and the V4 to G2F. But G1 will be my “most of the time” figure.
I did transfer all G1 morphs to G2F using Ben’s method because another character is always a good thing! LOL Just like I just bought Amity over at RO and she works a charm in DS too smile And the rumoured new figure will join them in my runtime right away too! The more the merrier. LOL
But G1 is still the be all-end all for me. smile

Your a step in front of me then. I looked at the method and my brain hurt…I’m not sure that I’m willing to go to that extent.

I’m also looking forward to the new figure as an additional tool in my runtime but I doubt that it will replace Genesis 1 unless it’s a figure that can do both male and female.

LOL! Well I copied Kattey’s but did Ben’s method and it was really easy and quick! I posted a pic in that thread and to me she looked fine!
And no.. at this point I don’t think anything can replace Genesis for me either. smile

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Posted: 23 June 2013 02:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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commorancy - 22 June 2013 02:28 AM

Perhaps they can finally be addressed in the Genesis 2 figure.

I doubt that and after Genesis 1 was going the one direction and 2 now goes the other—either they just don’t know where to go, or—and that is just the smell of it!—it is just a way to make more money with another generation of figures, where you have to buy everything again from scratch.

Thats also the reason, I still did not jump onto the Genesis bandwagon—and after release of Genesis 2 I find myself did just right!

I jumped into the idea of Genesis pretty quickly, but only because I saw the possibility of a much longer lifespan of this figure and the potential for creating lots of characters.  That and I’ve pretty much given up using Poser as I’m not fond of Firefly as a renderer. Up until Genesis 1, Daz had been pumping out new human mesh figures about every 6-9 months (from version 1 through version 4) including Victoria, Michael, Stephanie, David, Kids, Hiro, The Girl and The Freak, with our four legged mesh friends getting far less coverage like Dog, Cat and Horse. When Genesis arrived, that all stopped (other than the animals).

Unfortunately, with the release of Genesis 2, the lifespan of Genesis 1 is now numbered. Oh, it’ll still be there and it will be supported somewhat like V4 and M4, but Genesis probably has far less of a following in the Poser community than V4 and M4 as DSON importer doesn’t really cut it over on the Poser world.  They’d much rather have native figures which is why V4 and M4 still remain the most popular of the Daz figures for use in Poser.

In fact, I’m all for a version 2 of the Genesis figure if they had actually fixed some of the problems with the mesh.  Unfortunately, they haven’t.  There’s still not a nail bed for the fingernails and toenails. So, setting up translucency / transparency doesn’t work because it leads to a dark cave into the mesh. Additionally, the fingernails and toenails just aren’t of the same quality that was on the V4 and M4 mesh, so you end up with what looks like press-on plastic nails even on male figures.  Not cool if you’re going for realism.  In fact, I still find that the V4 and M4 meshes provide an overall more realistic look to characters than the Genesis mesh. The other thing that Genesis was said to provide was better, more realistic skin folds. I’ve never found that to be true. While the mesh did bend somewhat better in certain poses, it still wasn’t that much better than the V4 and M4 mesh.  In fact, it was more the mesh smoothing they added to Genesis that seems to work out the problems with the folds and not the actual mesh fold.

Anyway, yes, Daz is in it for the money and I’m quite sure they realized that having Genesis as its primary figure definitely made a huge dent in its operating income for figure sales. Going back to the figure-release-every-X-months model will definitely raise their (and the artists’) incomes because of the bundles as well as new clothing, hair and whatnot will have to be recreated for the new figures. I well understand this business model and I also understand why Daz wants to go back to it.  Although, if they are planning on creating two different Genesis base meshes, then there’s no difference in creating standalone Genesis mesh figures like V4 and M4 and, again, making them fully compatible with Poser (no DSON necessary). I always thought that Daz making the figure closed to only the DS system was not a good idea from an business perspective. So, for a very long time, Daz lived without the income of the Poser community for Genesis until they created DSON importer for Poser. Not a very business savvy thing to do.

I also never understood why Daz would intentionally cut their market in half and exclude that many potential buyers. I’m guessing someone in Daz thought that they could recruit Poser users into purchasing Daz Studio? I bet it didn’t happen quite that way. They may have gotten some purchases, but most Poser users are not going to drop using Poser just to get access to a figure they don’t really need. Because while DS users were going a bit crazy over Genesis, the Poser community was just ignoring Daz and Genesis until the DSON importer was released.

If this Genesis 2 mesh is the final mesh, then I’ll have to wait for Genesis 3 to see any real improvements to the mesh at this point (unless they fix these problems on the Genesis 2 base male mesh). I still think that Daz should take the V4 and M4 meshes and improve upon these again, release them as 4.3 or similar and gear up them for the Poser world.

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Posted: 23 June 2013 03:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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opal42987 - 22 June 2013 08:36 AM

Of course. Why? Because the eye-rolling reality of the matter is that DAZ is 3D, and 3D is a man’s world. It’s changing, but it’s still a dominating statistic. DAZ 3D Studio allows it’s consumers to buy content that will allow them to visualize their creativity with 3D mesh. And what do most men like to visualize about more than anything?
Uh, you do realize that there is a MASSIVE female userbase for Poser and Daz, right?  In fact, itr appears as though the vast majority of human figure morphs/accessories/textures/etc vendors are female.
The females are more popular for two major reasons:
1. Sexy eyecandy for the guys
2. Virtual paperdolls for the gals

I’ve found, at least with freebie vendors, that you can often tell if they’re male or female based on whether or not they offer a microbikini or similar fetishwear >_>

Indeed. hence why I acknowledge that it is changing, but don’t let a lange number of female 3D artists fool you. The 3D world at large is still very much a man’s land. Any economist who’s savvy in the market of things like computer gaming will tell you that. Look at DAZ alone. Take a look at all the names the credits in the “About DAZ Studio” on your Studio application when you get the chance. Or better yet, simply recall the way they marketed Reby Sky for V4…

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Posted: 23 June 2013 07:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Oh,. well yes, the 3D world is overwhelmingly male.  I thought we were referring to the DAZ and Poser world for some reason…

I’ve also noticed that as far as the actual programming and shader-building (and props), the creators are nearly all male (a little less-so for the props than the programming)

As for Reby Sky, I wasn’t here back then (only been around since the end of December), but characters like her don’t really need female marketing ploys, anyhow, so long as her versatility is covered in-depth and she comes with more clothing than simple fetishwear (skimpy clothes, from my observation, are not a problem with the female base so long as they don’t venture into the extreme, like the aforementioned microbikinis.) 

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Posted: 23 June 2013 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Actually there is the M4 Enhanced which has the Mina morph.  There is also Guy4 for M4.  Both are PA products.

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Posted: 23 June 2013 07:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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RCDeschene - 23 June 2013 03:00 AM

Indeed. hence why I acknowledge that it is changing, but don’t let a lange number of female 3D artists fool you. The 3D world at large is still very much a man’s land. Any economist who’s savvy in the market of things like computer gaming will tell you that. Look at DAZ alone. Take a look at all the names the credits in the “About DAZ Studio” on your Studio application when you get the chance. Or better yet, simply recall the way they marketed Reby Sky for V4…

Ummm…hate to burst your bubble but the largest segment of the gaming community is women between 30-60. This from the gaming industry itself. Admittedly they are not playing the high profile, graphics intensive, shooter/sports games on the latest console or high powered gaming PC. The vast majority are playing games like solitaire, match 3 or even web based strategy games on Facebook.

I realize that for “hard core” gamers these aren’t considered real games but from a business perspective they’re a highly profitable market.

 

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Posted: 23 June 2013 07:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Nothing against women, but those aren’t gamers, those are people playing games… there is a difference ;p

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Posted: 23 June 2013 07:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Gedd - 23 June 2013 07:43 AM

Nothing against women, but those aren’t gamers, those are people playing games… there is a difference ;p

You’ll have to define gamer then.

From Dictionary.Com:

Gamer:
a person who plays games, especially computer or video games.

 

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Posted: 23 June 2013 07:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Just because it is in a dictionary doesn’t mean it is correct. While my previous comment was tounge-in-cheek, there is a definition of the term ‘Gamer’ which has existed for a long time, people who are not part of that community and have no clue what it means may come along and redefine it incorrectly out of ignorance, but that just creates conflict between the original community who created the word and the larger community who misappropriated the term. This is a common feature of the dynamics of language. Sometimes, the original meaning gets restored, sometimes it gets lost. As is terms that are generated out of a community, exact definitions are somewhat grey, but the one thing you will find is that they are adamant that it is not the misappropriated version.

In trying to answer your original question, and of course I do not speak for the entire community of ‘Gamers,’ a Gamer is someone who has a certain dedication level to a given genre of game that involves a good portion of their life. This means that yes, someone that plays the type of games you mentioned could in theory be a gamer, but it is unlikely as most people who play those type of games play them specifically because they can jump in and out of them ‘without’ a lot of commitment to them, thus excluding the vast majority of them from the term. Some of the Facebook games being obvious exceptions. To ‘be a gamer’ one gets into minutia of the game, not just playing it. Something like the difference between a ‘Trekkie’ and someone who watches Star Trek.

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Posted: 23 June 2013 08:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Gedd - 23 June 2013 07:54 AM

Just because it is in a dictionary doesn’t mean it is correct. While my previous comment was tounge-in-cheek, there is a definition of the term ‘Gamer’ which has existed for a long time, people who are not part of that community and have no clue what it means may come along and redefine it incorrectly out of ignorance, but that just creates conflict between the original community who created the word and the larger community who misappropriated the term. This is a common feature of the dynamics of language. Sometimes, the original meaning gets restored, sometimes it gets lost. As is terms that are generated out of a community, exact definitions are somewhat grey, but the one thing you will find is that they are adamant that it is not the misappropriated version.

In trying to answer your original question, and of course I do not speak for the entire community of ‘Gamers,’ a Gamer is someone who has a certain dedication level to a given genre of game that involves a good portion of their life. This means that yes, someone that plays the type of games you mentioned could in theory be a gamer, but it is unlikely as most people who play those type of games play them specifically because they can jump in and out of them ‘without’ a lot of commitment to them, thus excluding the vast majority of them from the term. Some of the Facebook games being obvious exceptions. To ‘be a gamer’ one gets into minutia of the game, not just playing it. Something like the difference between a ‘Trekkie’ and someone who watches Star Trek.

As someone that has been playing games for over 35 years now (1st pen & paper/board games then computer games) and been involved in the game development community for the last 10 years I understand that the “Gamer” community has their own definition.

Heck, even within the communities there is disagreement. To the avid tabletop gamer if you’re not into pen & paper or board games you’re not a true gamer. To many of the FPS players, if you suck at shooters you’re not a gamer.

Even within the communities for a specific game there is conflict. I play MMO’s and have since the original Ultima Online so I’d think my pedigree as an MMO gamer should be pretty solid. However, I hate the whole concept of raiding, but in most of the MMO communities if you’re not a raider then you’re not a true gamer.

My personal definition of a gamer is someone that chooses to use their free time playing or discussing games instead of watching TV.

We now return you to your previously scheduled thread (smile - when are those getting fixed how hard can this be?)

 

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Posted: 23 June 2013 08:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Sisca - 23 June 2013 08:28 AM
Gedd - 23 June 2013 07:54 AM

(smile - when are those getting fixed how hard can this be?)

Not hard, just not a priority. Now that G2F has been released, maybe?

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