Is it time for some meta communication on the state of the communication on the DAZ forums?
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Well you deceide by either ignoring, or answering or bashing or trolling.
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I often post when I am under the impression that only one opinion is dominating a discussion.
In many cases it might be helpful to look at things also from another perspective.
Good. Looking forward to seeing your post count climb then too!
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The observation that the opinion of the majority of forum users is not equal the opinion of the whole user group is not a new one.
Especially online game developers had to find this out the hard way when they only listened to the complaints of forum users when making their decision. Suddenly they faced more angry e-mail from their regular customers who did not frequent the forums.
Of course not. The opinion of the majority of forum users would only be that of the majority of forum users. The opinions would undoubtedly be more inclusive of the entire user base if it were also run in Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, Mexican, etc as many people around the world have a copy of D/S.
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Instead of just relying on forum opinion what could be done is sending out e-mails that ask the whole user group to participate in polls.
Oh, have they fixed the polls?! Emails ... well now, reading through various posts would indicate that already many people who want to receive the newsletters etc are not [various reasons including ISPs and which servers are sending], such a mailing would not likely reach everybody [and again, not likely to be in Russian, German, French, Italian, Mexican, Spanish, etc]
From that point of view making polls in the forum is also not very helpfull because only those people on the forum actually read those polls.
Polls?! hmmm ... I must have missed a thread somewhere ...
The question that popped up in my mind quite often lately is:
How is DAZ actually gathering information what their user base wants?
Are they reading forum posts and actualy acting on them? Or are they sending out e-mails and asking customers for their opinion?
Or are all decisions made on sales statistics?
hehehehe ... oh boy. For starters it would appear that yes they are reading through but possibly just not answering threads as often enough over time, products being sought and not found just “magically appear” in the store a few months down the road. Exceptions being the millennium cow [there’s got to be story about this we haven’t heard!]
All decisions [going by communiques I’ve received] are not being made by sales although those obviously would play a big part. But why is what popular ... food for thought.
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The spiral of silence
“. Spiral of silence theory describes the process by which one opinion becomes dominant as those who perceive their opinion to be in the minority do not speak up because society threatens individuals with fear of isolation. The assessment of ones social environment may not always be correct with reality”
Source and addtional information:
In all the time I have spent in the Daz3d forums, I cannot say that I have ever noticed this as a problem. Posts are not made because of software glitches and people give up. Posts are hidden/removed/whatever for a variety of reasons.
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What do you think about the Spiral of Silence? Can it be found on the DAZ forum?
Are there a dominating few forum posters who have gathered forum posts in the 1000s who jump into every discussion advertising their point of view?
Sure. And if it wasn’t for those few ... and the commenting volunteers ... this place would be ‘dead’. As was stated by many people quite awhile ago, they have left the forums and possibly the store and moved on. Some of the software glitches were ‘too much’. So let’s not try to anger those who are still here and posting or you’re going to find yourself very alone possibly with a volunteer or two. If you don’t want to read mine, or anybody else’s “opinions” there’s this neat forum device called an ‘ignore member’ button. Use it.
Are new users who only have a 1-30 posts taken serious?
Usually. For starters, “new users” doesn’t necessarily mean new to 3D ... just means that they haven’t posted much since the new forum software was rolled out. Now on days/nights of known practices for drinking too much, it is wise to take some posts with the entire shaker of salt. And of course there is the occasional spammer. “Unwise” to click on links in any of those posts, just report them. Mods do an excellent job keeping the boards clean.
Are there any customers who just read on the forums and are actually afraid to post because they fear they will just get shred to pieces when they speak up against the opinion of those who have a post count of thousands and more?
Well, I have heard that there are people who won’t cross the road because they might get hit by a car ... but really. We have traffic signs and most cars do stop. Those little catch phrases like “noobie here, how do I ...” usually work. The only posters that I for one have had issues with, are those asking us to do illegal things, they themselves really not caring what happens to anybody but themselves. [like a kid asking an adult to buy them ciggies in the corner store, okay.] Perspective. It’s good to have.
The counter proposal -
Introduce optional (!) forum medals that reflect the amount of dollars spent at the DAZ store
Absolutely not a good idea. Corporate purchasers vs hobby purchasers vs gamers vs adult entertainment vs creators vs schools vs [etc] ... the dollars would not mean a thing.
Lets assume that posts of people who have a higher post count are actually considered more vailid and important that the posts of users with only a lower post count.
You sure you’ve read through the forums?! Even a fool can be thought wise when he says nothing.
This may not even happen on a conscious level but maybe unconscious as people always tend to look up to others with more experience.
Well hopefully as you get older, you’ll get wiser. Post count has nothing to do with anything other than somebody took the time to try to assist another ... or pass the time waiting for doomsday replying in threads plausibly entertaining the masses while they wait for their renders to complete.
If DAZ is a business should it not be the opinion of those users who spend the most money in the store that should count the most?
Well I wouldn’t. Can’t take opinions to the bank. Contracts yes.
In console games you can get trophies or achievments.
Would it not be a fun idea to introduce such trophies based on the products people buy and money they spend?
Well not in my opinion. I could see that turning ‘very ugly’ as people quarreled over the ensuing mess of details. And really, there are more important store/website issues requiring attention.
For every character bundle you buy you get a special character trophy that can be displayed below the forum avatar.
For every hundred dollar you spend in the DAZ store you get a bronze medal.
For every thousand dollar you spend you get a silver medal.
For every ten thousand dollars you spend you get a gold medal.
And yes there might also be that illusive platinum medal for those who spent 25000 dollars in the store?
A number is added before the medal to count the total amount.
The display of post count and medal display could be optional. The user might have the option to deceide if they are displayed or not.
Why does it matter to you how much money I spend in the store? Do you want to tell people how much you spend? Nobody stopping you. But as another mentioned, yes we have privacy laws and no you may not post everybody else’s.
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Medal count vs forum posts count and their interaction
Now it would be quite more fun to have a look at the forum again.
How many medals have those gathered who have 1000s of forum posts?
How many users with only 1-10 forum posts have gathered silver and gold medals?
Because they actually spend their time buying and using the content and have no time to post on the forum.
Now suddenly it would become more interesting to see if the money is were the mouth is.
Or how was that saying going?
The reasoning is flawed. Corporations have many people ... each with a job to do. There is no where written that one has to have spent a dime on any product in order to be a participating member in the Daz3d forums. I sure hope nobody reading through this thread ever thinks it matters to most of us answering questions as to how much money they’ve spent because it sure as blazes doesn’t. A question is a question and an answer is an answer. Doesn’t matter who is asking the question or who is giving the answer.
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What is the reason for this post:
People asume that they know what the majority opinion is and claim to speak for it.
People are taking rumors for facts and noone is correcting them.
hehehehehe ... yeah right, not.
New users with only a few posts are treated quite rude and not taken serious.
Users are attacked on a personal level as soon as all real arguments are presented.
In general, no. And if/when you EVER see such activity, remember there is a ‘report’ button ... right next to the ‘ignore’ button.
Longtime users tell new users that this has been discussed allready and shut topics down.
Not possible. Only mods can shut topics down and as per TOS we can’t discuss that. However the general idea tends to be that the same question being asked by the same person doesn’t have to be in 5 different forum threads.
Moderators and Administrators are voicing their personal opinions in discussions.
This is GOOD. They know LOTS. And we like to learn and/or make use of those wonderful scripts
Posts are censored and deleted.
Yeah, sad thing about the legal system eh. But think of it this way, if you were in a real physical store ... about what and for how long could you be “saying whatever you pleased” before they kicked you out too.
Threads are locked before everything was discussed.
With the wisdom of experience ... certain discussion topics just loop and end up solving nothing.
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I have no solutions nor any serious suggestions how to deal with all this. This are just the things I am observing.
Update / Edit:
My main motivation is to raise awareness and maybe inspire some people to reflect on this topics and how they deal with them.
As so often was said in this forum: The decision how you act afterwards is yours.
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A not so serious suggestion would be:
Give me a version of DS with all my open feature requests resolved and I can finally go back to rendering and might be less tempted to comment on random forum posts while searching around on the forum for solutions.