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Posted: 24 May 2013 10:37 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Posted: 24 May 2013 10:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I’m gonna post this before it even starts off. Please keep the conversation civil and directed at the OP’s topic and not at each other

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Posted: 24 May 2013 11:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I don´t see any rudeness towards new members in the forums. If anything, longtime members are very helpful towards newbies and patiently answer the same questions over and over, I never encountered anyone who would just say “this has been discussed already, so shut up and go away”.

Those forum medals seem very strange to me. We don´t want to start being divided in groups according to how rich or poor we are, how much money we can afford to spend - do we? I don´t want to see here anything that would the wealthier automaticaly mark as “better people” and those who only spend a little as “poor suckers”. Forum members I value the most are those who are friendly, helpful and share useful information with others. Whether their wallet is fat or slim does not matter to me.

I don´t think anyone is oppressed here. Why should someone be afraid of people who have a larger number of posts? And why should those with more posts be blamed for the fact, that this person is afraid of them? Neither makes any sense to me.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 11:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I think as far as moderators and admins posting their opinions, that’s fine. They obviously are interested in the subject or they wouldn’t be here, so their opinion is as valid, and worthwhile as anyone elses.

So far as badges are concerned, the amount I have spent here would no doubt give me a big gold star, but it wouldn’t mean I know more or less that the next person, only that I have bigger debts lol.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I can’t, and won’t, reply to all of the original thread. But I can, and will, reply to the part of new user smile

As one of those new users, yesterday marked my first 30 days since installing Daz. I have during this time never felt that I was treated rudely or ignored, much rather the other way around. I have asked some of the most stupid questions at times but the other members have been helpful and patient with answering those questions and therefor helped me learn more.

I have seen some hints at rudeness in some threads yes, but that has been equal new and old users to be honest. For example.. there have been those of the new users that has asked for help and when getting help has responded to it in a very rude and sometimes even aggressive way. And than there is those of the older users who sometimes act quite rude and so on. But as I see it this is the internet, and a forum, there will always be those that are rude and sometimes even aggressive.

Personally, I have seen and left several forums due to the amount of rudeness, aggressivity and plain trashtalk that went on there. I am one of those persons that Rarely frequent a forum unless basically forced too, at this date there is a total of 4 forums I frequent. Of those four, this forum is one and only because of the amount of nice and helpful people that are found here.

That is my experience and my opinions, I’m sure there is those that don’t agree with either of it *smiles* but that’s what makes us humans as well… that all of us are actually different people with different personalities smile Besides, we can all have a bad day once in a while too.. heaven knows I certainly do *laughs*

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Edit - actually going to make one small edit. There is ONCE during this month that I felt that I was being patronized. Seeing that I myself was in a bad mood that day, and that it could simply have been something so easy as a misscommunication due to not being able to express a tone of voice I preferred to leave that discussion. That episode has not even crossed my mind since than, up until now.. and it actually took me some time to even remember it smile

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Posted: 24 May 2013 12:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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1) Post Count is not necessarily an indicator of whether someone is a newbie or an old hand.  I’ve seen people with much older join dates and tiny post counts, and I’ve seen people with very recent join dates and huge post counts.  Most people get this.

2) How much a person spends is, in my opinion, a false indicator of how “good” a customer a they are.  If someone shows up out of the blue and drops $500 on stonemason in one transaction, why should their opinions have more weight than someone who is scraping by with their PC membership, the weekly freebie, and 1-2 PC items each week?  I guarantee you the PC member will have bought more products at the end of the year.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 12:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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The important bit, in my opinion, is that DAZ knows who their best customers are and what they’re buying.  Both short-term and long-term.  There’s little or no reason that is in DAZ’s benefit for them to share that information or make it obvious at a glance. Doing so could have significant undesirable results not the least of which is people, like me, who wouldn’t WANT others to know how much (or little) I spend.  It’s my information.  It’s DAZ’s too, but it’s not public domain.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 12:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Posted: 24 May 2013 01:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Frank0314 - 24 May 2013 10:51 AM

I’m gonna post this before it even starts off. Please keep the conversation civil and directed at the OP’s topic and not at each other

You are absolutely no fun at all and I’m gonna have to take you off my Christmas card list.  Er, wait.  I don’t have one.tongue laugh

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Posted: 24 May 2013 01:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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linvanchene - 24 May 2013 10:37 AM

What is the reason for this post:

People assume that they know what the majority opinion is and claim to speak for it.

People are taking rumors for facts and noone is correcting them.

New users with only a few posts are treated quite rude and not taken serious.

Users are attacked on a personal level as soon as all real arguments are presented.

Longtime users tell new users that this has been discussed already and shut topics down.

Moderators and Administrators are voicing their personal opinions in discussions.

Posts are censored and deleted.

Threads are locked before everything was discussed.

Perhaps I don’t read quite the same posts as you do, but very rarely do I see any of the above. Often times, there are a lot of people willing to help new users, and I’ve never seen an occasion where they’re talked down to. I don’t see an issue with Mods and admins voicing an opinion either, since we are all perfectly entitled to make up our own minds, and they present their arguments in a very respectful manner. With that said I’m genuinely confused as to the purpose of this thread. I daresay it almost feels as though it’s bait to lure in those very individuals your post mentions.

However, if I may address some of the questions you asked. Firstly, I think the medal system would only further alienate some users from the forums, and widen the divide. The less well-off members would be seen as perpetual newbies regardless of their skill level, and none of the issues you raised would be addressed with it. Owning more products doesn’t make your argument any more valid, unless it’s a topic specifically on those products.

I can’t really emphasise that last line enough. There are a lot of people with differing opinions, and no one opinion is any less valid than any other. It’s that very contrast which makes conversations and debates more interesting after all.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 02:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Okay, my turn to bash and be utterly mean to trolls.LOL

There is no way I could agree less with the idea of showing how much one spends in the store.  As has been pointed out, it’s not an indicator of anything real.  Post count and join date also don’t have a whole lot of merit but all the forums I’m on have them so I guess they’re a fact of life.  OTOH, a machining forum I was on (until it went commercial) had what was called “karma.”  If a post was helpful, people could click on a little thingie over the poster’s avatar which would add a karmic point to that person.  This wasn’t a popularity thing but rather an indicator of how helpful that person had been and it was cumulative.  That way, it became clear after a while who to ask in case someone ran into a problem.  (I wasn’t real popular - I wasn’t a “real” machinist, whatever that meant - but I had a good karmic count because I wrote a small but intense number of informational & instructional posts on electric motors, solenoids and the like.)  I’m thinking that something of that order may be of benefit here. 

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Posted: 24 May 2013 02:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Posted: 24 May 2013 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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A real fast note here.  This is NOT an online gaming community nor does it play one on TV.  You’re trying to mix apples and acorns and it just doesn’t work.  The folks here have an entirely different set of interests et al and the sort of “awards” you’re pushing just ain’t gonna cut it.  With that, the mods et al here are volunteers in many cases as is true of a number of other 3D art-related forums I’m on.  Again, this is an entirely different community that doesn’t require having paid pros handling the majority of the forum topics & discussions.  Apples & acorns.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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With only 8 people contrbuting 12 posts to the thread ( one of which was just a request for civil behaviour ) I don’t see how you could argue that a there is any majority or minority opinion on badges at this stage. In the next hour a dozen people could come along and say they like your badge idea.
If that doesn’t happen it ‘could’ mean you are right and the current tiny majority in this thread who are against the idea,  are imposing their will on everyone on the forum regarding badges, as nobody dares the speak out in favour. I find this very unlikely though.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 03:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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linvanchene - 24 May 2013 02:31 PM

...On that note I am also curious to see if even one person will dare to speak up and say that “medals” might be a fun trophy to have below the avatar.

No online game players here who love their titles, and achievment points who can see at the fun aspect of that proposition and look past the class dividing social aspect?

At the moment the dominant opinion also seems to be that it is not a favorable idea.

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You probably can now start to understand how this all comes together and how I tried to use the “medal” idea as a practical illustration how forum communication works.

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Once the dominant opinion is raised everyone else just shuts up because they feel like it cannot be changed anymore anyway.

So any one brave enough to say:

I spend money in the DAZ store and want other people to see how much I spent.

Spending money in the DAZ store is equal to supporting DAZ.

Is showing off support for DAZ really such a bad idea that really no one could actually support it?

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This I am going to comment on, I am a online gamer.. a former semi hardcore raider to be precise. And under NO circumstances what so ever would I ever want a medal to be seen on how much or how little I spend on this store. Achievments and titles in a game or on a forum are one thing, but they should NOT be involved when it comes to real life money!

I can only take myself as example, there is so much I want to buy from this store.. but I can’t.. simply cause I honestly barely have enough to actually make the month go round… there is even times I barely have enough food to see me through the whole month. So no, how much or how little I spend in this store, is not something I would want to be shown. If it ever, under any circumstances came to that.. I would rather actually leave.

Achievments and titles, post counts and so on are fine. As long as they don’t involve things like real life money (as well as some other things).

And yes, of course it would show how much one supported Daz.. but on the other hand, it would make a lot of people either leave cause they can’t afford to buy enough to feel like they are supporting, or they would buy way over their limits just to show that they do support… bottom line, medals for how much we spend in the store is a big mistake, and I for one surely hope it will never happen.

/Carola

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