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Posted: 14 July 2012 03:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 91 ]
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I plan to keep my computer running - with Carrara loaded. Hope that see’s me through the weekend.  Somebody has dropped the ball! (again!)

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Posted: 14 July 2012 04:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 92 ]
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I am realy, realy sick of this serialnumber nonsense
what is the new serialnumber for this damend beta ?
(remember me never try again a beta form DAZ3D)

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Posted: 14 July 2012 08:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 93 ]
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On what planet and universe does a company charge hundreds of dollars for a program they are going to render unless on a monthly to weekly basis.

I’m not buying anymore Daz products if this keeps up. I’ve never hit any other software that shuts down due to things the company is doing, removed from my machine. I’m getting royally sick of having my Carrara shut down one weekend a month, and having to search through a forum to find the answer of unlocking it. The least you could do to make up for this horrific costumer service (by which I mean rendering the product I paid you for completely useless) by emailing us notices and new serial numbers!

Seriously putting out a serial number with an expire date, but not bothering to put up a replacement BEFORE that expiriation date…

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Posted: 14 July 2012 10:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 94 ]
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where does one download the official latest release version?

I reset my downloads to get it and all I get is this 8.5 beta version which has expired!

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Posted: 14 July 2012 10:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 95 ]
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Not only is DAZ making everyone all upset with this serial number thing, but look, here’s the kind of useless nonsense people waste their time on while waiting for a new S/N:


http://youtu.be/FdEpEsrylO4

I call it a “Creeping Traumador”. Hold on, make that a “Multi modal, quad legged, dual ported Creeping Traumador”.


BTW, has anyone figured how to insert Youtubes?

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Posted: 14 July 2012 11:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 96 ]
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Traumador - 14 July 2012 08:26 PM

On what planet and universe does a company charge hundreds of dollars for a program they are going to render unless on a monthly to weekly basis.

I’m not buying anymore Daz products if this keeps up. I’ve never hit any other software that shuts down due to things the company is doing, removed from my machine. I’m getting royally sick of having my Carrara shut down one weekend a month, and having to search through a forum to find the answer of unlocking it. The least you could do to make up for this horrific costumer service (by which I mean rendering the product I paid you for completely useless) by emailing us notices and new serial numbers!

Seriously putting out a serial number with an expire date, but not bothering to put up a replacement BEFORE that expiriation date…


Why did you download and install a time-limited beta if you didn’t accept that this could happen?  The production version is still fully functional and not time limited.


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Posted: 14 July 2012 11:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 97 ]
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I can accept that but am annoyed I used the mip map option for textures instead of altering it in preferences as most my saved projects, and I used the bloody beta for most!!  need to be totally retextured to use.
that said, I bought an awful lot of Genesis stuff I am at present converting for iClone instead while I am waiting!!!!
no facial animation though and
ugh
I had to use Hexagon to fix bits!!!
gotta go to work so hopefully serial up when I get home in about 8 hours time.
kinda liking, I mean LOVING Genesis but sooooooo not prepared to have to use studio!!
which I will have to for speech if I decide to do a video.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 11:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 98 ]
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Kendall Sears - 14 July 2012 11:02 PM

Why did you download and install a time-limited beta if you didn’t accept that this could happen?  The production version is still fully functional and not time limited.
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Past practice and common sense. 
For the past (what 6-9 months?) we have been given betas with expiry dates - but always have had extensions or update to the beta. 
It is not unreasonable for anyone to have expected that DAZ would have - again - extended the expiration date or provided a new update.

If there was to be no extension or update, common courtesy and basic customer service policies would have dictated that an announcement go up that this was going to be the case.  No harm no foul - as long as it is communicated to the customer/tester base.  Lack of an update or extension - plus the failure to communicate - is just poor management. 
Additional - the production version (8.1) does not support genesis - which is the major change in 8.5 that we have been testing. 
I’m sure sometime tomorrow or Monday, it’ll get straightened out - in the meantime - it just pisses people off.


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Posted: 14 July 2012 11:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 99 ]
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wendy♥catz - 14 July 2012 11:18 PM

I can accept that but am annoyed I used the mip map option for textures instead of altering it in preferences as most my saved projects, and I used the bloody beta for most!!  need to be totally retextured to use.
that said, I bought an awful lot of Genesis stuff I am at present converting for iClone instead while I am waiting!!!!
no facial animation though and
ugh
I had to use Hexagon to fix bits!!!
gotta go to work so hopefully serial up when I get home in about 8 hours time.
kinda liking, I mean LOVING Genesis but sooooooo not prepared to have to use studio!!
which I will have to for speech if I decide to do a video.


I agree that the S/N going inactive is irritating. That being said, we all knew that this was not only possible, but likely.  I looked at the date of expiration immediately after it was posted and saw that it was on a weekend and planned accordingly.  I have so many projects going that losing one for a couple of days is not a problem.


It could be worse…


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Posted: 14 July 2012 11:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 100 ]
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Kendall Sears - 14 July 2012 11:02 PM

Why did you download and install a time-limited beta if you didn’t accept that this could happen?  The production version is still fully functional and not time limited.
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Past practice and common sense. 
For the past (what 6-9 months?) we have been given betas with expiry dates - but always have had extensions or update to the beta. 
It is not unreasonable for anyone to have expected that DAZ would have - again - extended the expiration date or provided a new update.

If there was to be no extension or update, common courtesy and basic customer service policies would have dictated that an announcement go up that this was going to be the case.  No harm no foul - as long as it is communicated to the customer/tester base.  Lack of an update or extension - plus the failure to communicate - is just poor management. 
Additional - the production version (8.1) does not support genesis - which is the major change in 8.5 that we have been testing. 
I’m sure sometime tomorrow or Monday, it’ll get straightened out - in the meantime - it just pisses people off.


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I can think of at least 2 times recently where the S/N expired and we’ve had to wait for a new one to be issued.  Since this is a weekend, there is no one at work to issue a new S/N.


It’s that last statement that I don’t get, what give us a right to be “pissed” at all?  Beta testing is a privilege, not a right.  Hell, with beta testing you’re not even guaranteed that a particular version EVEN WORKS AT ALL.  Sure, DAZ’s beta’s tend to be more toward gamma, but that doesn’t mitigate the fact that one should not become reliant on a feature of a beta, period.


There’s nothing saying that DAZ couldn’t just end the beta right now and we all have to wait six months for the general release.  It is their right.  It’s not likely to happen, but it can.  Microsoft has done it, still does it with their “Release Previews”.  How many here are going to scream “Microsoft has caused me to have to go back to Windows 7!  I’m never using another Microsoft product again!”  Hmmm?  Yet, the same is said in reference to DAZ.


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Posted: 14 July 2012 11:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 101 ]
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Okay, in order to give a sense of the immense size of the “multi modal, quad legged, dual ported, Creeping Traumador”, I have re-rendered a movie of it travelling thru a local Wal Mart parking lot and encountering a standard dumpster. Needless to say, the dumpster did not have a good day. In fact it got squished so hard it stuck to the underside of outboard Traumador leg #2.


http://youtu.be/GbBGct-Ac2U


Be careful. Those Creeping Traumadors can cause, like, lots of trauma. I mean it.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 12:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 102 ]
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Kendall Sears - 14 July 2012 11:49 PM

Beta testing is a privilege, not a right..


Abso-damn-lutely. I agree 100%. Beta testing, or any other testing of a developer’s work, is clearly a privilege.


Sure, they make mistakes just like anyone else. They’re only human. But you, the customer, should consider yourself privileged to be able to find his mistakes. And it should be an honor to do all the additional work they need to be able to help pinpoint the source of their mistakes.


Heck, that happens in every industry. Customers are always given the privilege, the opportunity to find a manufacturer’s bugs. For example, in the…well…umm….in any case, it’s a privilege.


Just like you should consider it a privilege to help developers with other things they need to accomplish. Heck, when’s the last time you asked a developer for the privilege of doing his laundry? Or walk his dog. These guys work hard, and put in a lot of hours. How do you expect them to do all that work if they have to take time to feed the dog, huh?


I suggest we start a “take a developer to lunch” day. I can only hope that they’ll allow us that opportunity.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 12:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 103 ]
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Kendall Sears - 14 July 2012 11:49 PM

Beta testing is a privilege, not a right..


Abso-damn-lutely. I agree 100%. Beta testing, or any other testing of a developer’s work, is clearly a privilege.


Sure, they make mistakes just like anyone else. They’re only human. But you, the customer, should consider yourself privileged to be able to find his mistakes. And it should be an honor to do all the additional work they need to be able to help pinpoint the source of their mistakes.


Heck, that happens in every industry. Customers are always given the privilege, the opportunity to find a manufacturer’s bugs. For example, in the…well…umm….in any case, it’s a privilege.


Just like you should consider it a privilege to help developers with other things they need to accomplish. Heck, when’s the last time you asked a developer for the privilege of doing his laundry? Or walk his dog. These guys work hard, and put in a lot of hours. How do you expect them to do all that work if they have to take time to feed the dog, huh?


I suggest we start a “take a developer to lunch” day. I can only hope that they’ll allow us that opportunity.


The last time I checked, one had to volunteer to be a beta tester.  In most cases one must apply, sign, and sometimes (horrors!) pay to get to beta test.  DAZ allowed any Carrara user to volunteer, no one forced you to download, install, and run the beta.  In exchange for getting access to the “new stuff” early, one is expected to find, and report, issues.  If you don’t want to take part then sit down, wait until it gets released into production and do without.


Don’t like it, don’t do it.
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Posted: 15 July 2012 01:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 104 ]
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Kendall Sears - 15 July 2012 12:58 AM

Don’t like it, don’t do it.


Yes. I know. I’ve heard all the arguments over and over, many times. But nothing in your response addresses your position that it is a “privilege”. Because it’s not. It is a service performed for the vendor by the customer. It is a voluntary service, but it is a service, nonetheless.


“Don’t like it, don’t do it” is a sidestep of the issue. That only addresses the voluntary nature of the service. No question, it’s voluntary. But it is work, that requires significant time and resources by the customer (their own computer, cost of electricity, software and other computer skills, etc.). Work that the vendor would otherwise have to pay someone to perform, and resources the vendor would otherwise have to pay for. And it is also skilled work, not minimum wage level work. Nowhere else on the planet can the vendor get people to work like that for free. And in few, if any, other industries is this a practice. Therefore, it is also an exceptional service, and one that the vendor should be incredibly grateful for.


The customers’ motives for doing this service, and the fact that there are those who do the service, is absolutely irrelevant to the discussion, and does not somehow suddenly convert a service into a privilege.


Any vendor who has a different attitude needs to have their heads examined. It is absolutely shocking to me that there are software developers out there who honestly think it is a privilege for customers to be able to do this. All they need is for some day the customer base to wise up and decide they aren’t gonna provide this service any more, and see what happens. 


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Posted: 15 July 2012 01:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 105 ]
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Kendall Sears - 15 July 2012 12:58 AM

Don’t like it, don’t do it.


Yes. I know. I’ve heard all the arguments over and over, many times. But nothing in your response addresses your position that it is a “privilege”. Because it’s not. It is a service performed for the vendor by the customer. It is a voluntary service, but it is a service, nonetheless.

How about the English definition of the word privilege?  From freedictionary:

a. A special advantage, immunity, permission, right, or benefit granted to or enjoyed by an individual, class, or caste.

b. Such an advantage, immunity, or right held as a prerogative of status or rank, and exercised to the exclusion or detriment of others.


DS users aren;t eligible, nor are Poser users, only Carrara users.  Definition of class.
Access to software others don’t have.  Definition of Special Advantage.


Pretty much defines privilege does it not?


One need not download, install, or use the software, denoting that one has a desire to use software that few others have.  One does not have to report errors, or even that they’ve even tried the software, but tradition implies that one should report one’s results.  But that is tradition, not requirement.  Therefore it is NOT a service, as nothing is REQUIRED of the recipient.  If anything, it (bug reporting) is a ‘thank you’ gift from the recipient to the developers.


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