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Carrara v8.5.0.149 (PC/Mac) Beta Update
Posted: 15 July 2012 12:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 121 ]
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wcwilcox - 15 July 2012 12:28 PM

Do you think anyone at Daz is reading these posts

Probably not at the weekend…

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Posted: 15 July 2012 01:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 122 ]
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Nigel Robinson - 15 July 2012 09:54 AM

It’s all about perspective, though, isn’t it?


And here’s to you, Mr. Robinson, you’re absolutely correct. Perspective !!


So let’s take a very broad perspective, shall we? Let’s look at other industries, and their practices, and see what’s reasonable. In what other industries do vendors have the cajones (arrogance) to consider it a “privilege” for their customers to do work for them for free, and help them look for bugs or errors in their products?


Hmm….let’s see…I’m thinking….I’m thinking….hmm….


Okay, well let’s shelve that for a bit…I’m sure something will come to me later….


Just because Adobe and other software vendors are arrogant towards their customers, because of some insane concept that has developed in the industry in the last 30 years, doesn’t mean it’s a reasonable perspective. Just because someone is worse than me doesn’t mean that I’m good. Are you honestly arguing that “Company A treats me like trash, but Company B treats me even worse, so it’s okay?”


I am continually amazed at how the software buying public has bought into these insane concepts. Somehow they believe that vendors owe their customers nothing when their customers provide work for free. In the words of John McEnroe, “You CANNOT be serious…”


If you guys think it’s reasonable for you to spend your valuable time (yes, it is valuable) and resources to do work for free, and then be treated like trash for doing it, then I think that’s a big mistake. Just because you enjoy doing it doesn’t make it any less valuable, or deserving of at least some respect. And it’s ONLY because users like you who put up with it that it continues, and gets worse and worse, and vendors get more arrogant.


And this nonsense about “Oh, you should have planned for this, and been prepared in case the beta ran out…” ARE YOU SERIOUS???


In order to test the software, you need to USE the software. It’s been 10 months of using 8.5 beta. So we’re supposed to use the software as hard as we can, extract every bug we can, use every feature we can think of, but not really USE it on stuff, just, like, use it on stuff. So for all the scenes we work on, we need to not only check for bugs and pinpoint them and post bug reports, we also have to manage all of the scenes we’ve been working on for the last 10 months so that we have figured out how to have 8.1 backup versions of the 8.5 scenes, that oh by the way don’t load into 8.1 or don’t work unless we modify them. Or maybe we’re supposed to have completely separate 8.5 scenes that aren’t stuff we’re really working on, we’re supposed to also spend time just running test scenes????


Just insane. Sorry guys, but logic no longer applies when you have arguments like that.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 123 ]
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All I give a shi* about is that I paid for a product that is in endless beta. I’ve got projects PAID PROJECTS that need completed. This is totally unacceptable for a piece of software to lockout its purchaser, I’ve got a fully licensed version, and keep dicking around with this beta stuff.
Here I go yanking the beta installing the first gen pre-beta and will be looking to purchase 3DMAX or something better here shortly. I’ve used this product since INFINI-D. Moving on now.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 124 ]
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A way to get around the serial number expiration date is to go into your computer’s bios upon starting your computer and set the date back.
I’m running an XP computer and Carrara is up and running despite it being July 15.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 125 ]
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Thanks for the workaround. Would you not agree though that we should not need to be messing with our systems to circumvent a fully licensed product we purchased legally. (for those who purchased 8 that is)

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 126 ]
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I don’t want to get into the whole tit-for-tat argument, I can see why people are annoyed - I was working on something myself and would have been furious if the file couldn’t be opened back in 8.1 - but the beginning of this thread says:

You can run the production build of Carrara 8.1 side by side with this Beta build. Just don’t uninstall 8.1 version when you install this beta release.

The purpose of providing this build is for you to see the progress we are making…

We’ve all been able to use this Beta whether we’ve been feeding back on bugs or not. Most developers would hand pick Beta testers and the rest of us wouldn’t get a look in.

As I say, I do see how people are annoyed, but this negative attitude is the best way to make sure that next time we won’t hear anything from DAZ at all in between versions. Just like it use to be with Specular, MetaCreations and Eovia and, believe me, I had cause to complain to those guys over the years.

I remember everyone fretting over what would happen to Carrara when DAZ took it over and it’s just got better every version. Now, just sort out the torus squaring in the spline modeller and I’m happy.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 127 ]
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except . . . when running 8.1 on Lion you get an administrator error from what I remember this error had been fixed on higher versions of Carrara, forcing you to use 8.5 which you can’t run because its in beta. So. it’d be nice to fall back on 8.1 but does not seem to run on Lion.
Anyone know a way around this error without updating to the beta version?

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 128 ]
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VFX13 - 15 July 2012 04:28 PM

...8.1 on Lion you get an administrator error…

When does that happen and what does it do?

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 129 ]
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I have no insider knowledge, but I fully expect that Daz will publish a usable serial number tomorrow.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 130 ]
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When using _8-1.1.1.12_Mac64 You get: (see attachment) all permissions ARE correct, is not an osx issue.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 131 ]
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VFX13 - 15 July 2012 04:45 PM

When using _8-1.1.1.12_Mac64 You get: (see attachment) all permissions ARE correct, is not an osx issue.


Just to be pedantic, this is an OSX issue.  Software on Posix systems is not supposed to be installed by user level accounts.  That is what the SuperUser accounts are for.  Letting a user account install software… is broken.  It is a compromise that Apple made for “user friendlyness.”  There are several inconsistencies in their approach, there were lots of highly charged arguments when Apple decided to take this approach.


Try using a Terminal and running Carrara from the superuser account.  See if that doesn’t resolve this issue.


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Posted: 15 July 2012 06:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 132 ]
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Sorry. smile

Nothing to be seen here.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 07:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 133 ]
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VFX13 - 15 July 2012 04:28 PM

...8.1 on Lion you get an administrator error…

Have you added a password to your login in “Users & Groups” Preferences?

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Posted: 15 July 2012 07:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 134 ]
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Wow, thanks for the date thing, MistyV. That makes life a lot simpler.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 08:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 135 ]
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Kendall Sears - 14 July 2012 11:02 PM
Traumador - 14 July 2012 08:26 PM

On what planet and universe does a company charge hundreds of dollars for a program they are going to render unless on a monthly to weekly basis.

I’m not buying anymore Daz products if this keeps up. I’ve never hit any other software that shuts down due to things the company is doing, removed from my machine. I’m getting royally sick of having my Carrara shut down one weekend a month, and having to search through a forum to find the answer of unlocking it. The least you could do to make up for this horrific costumer service (by which I mean rendering the product I paid you for completely useless) by emailing us notices and new serial numbers!

Seriously putting out a serial number with an expire date, but not bothering to put up a replacement BEFORE that expiriation date…


Why did you download and install a time-limited beta if you didn’t accept that this could happen?  The production version is still fully functional and not time limited.


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Fun fact Kendall, I didn’t download a time limited version of the program. In fact the first time this happened 3 months ago I was quite happy with the version of the program I had, and would have settled on it. It was working fine, and Daz gave no indication it was time sensitive. Then they started this whole Genesis crap, and boom my Carrara takes at least one weekend off a month (at least being the operative thing).

What is royally pissing me off is that I don’t have access to this mythical production version you’re talking about, and everytime I have a problem with the serial numbers tech support here tells me to download the next version (which are all forcing me to accept yet another expiring serial number).

It is NOT a privelege to pay $400 to “test” software (whether a Beta or not) if it isn’t going to work for testing!!! So stop telling me and others it is okay that we paid perfectly good money for absolutely NOTHING, because at the end of the day that’s what my Carrara is amounting too. A whole lot of nothing. If they refund me, than fine I’ll take whatever they send my way. However I’ve paid them for software, and I should bloody well be able to use it without them being able to bumble it up every second week!

 

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