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Carrara v8.5.0.149 (PC/Mac) Beta Update
Posted: 15 July 2012 02:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 106 ]
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Kendall Sears - 15 July 2012 01:46 AM

  Pretty much defines privilege does it not?

Kendall, baby, step back a bit and stop digging your heels in, ‘K?

You’re saying that just because DAZ only allows certain people to help them, then suddenly that makes it a privilege? Come on, you can’t really believe that….


Here’s an example…


Neighbor comes up to you, says, “Hey, Kendall, let me mow your lawn for you. No charge, I just want to do you a favor”.


Kendall says “Um, well, thanks, but I only allow people who are wearing blue shirts to mow my lawn. Thanks, but no thanks”.


Now, you tell me. Was the neighbor who offered to mow your lawn (for free, using his own time and equipment) getting the privilege to mow your lawn, or doing you a voluntary service?


Just because they restrict who they ask (or allow) to perform the service, has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the nature of the act.


Now you can argue all day and until tomorrow about the technical definition if that’s important to you, but the sense and the nature of the act is one of voluntary service. If you don’t believe that, then all I can say is I’m just baffled. Doesn’t mean I’m right, I’m just baffled that someone would think that.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 02:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 107 ]
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beta tester or not it is a reciprocal arrangement - we help them and they help us - to this end, how hard/long would it take a monkey to push a level to generate a new serial number? They are an unprofessional organization in their duty of full discloser. Take the Daz Studio Advanced - no where is it stated the lip-sync is not included due to a copyright fee issue - you buy it thinking you can speed up your talking heads and well - no way. If they post a serial with a date then they need to ensure that it is updated for those member who have taken the leap. 8.1 does not run on Lion so unlike Windows users we have NO CHOICE but to be beta testers if we want to use the $400 program we paid for. Full Disclosure: I was a professor of HRD for 6 years so I look at this from a business model point of view - it sucks.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 02:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 108 ]
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All this “beta privilege” seems to forget there are SERIOUS BUGS in C8.1, including the memory leak that makes animation impossible.


If DAZ would just release a bug fix, rather than holding us all hostage to genesis, this would be a non-issue. I would have even paid for it, but this is ridiculous.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 04:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 109 ]
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I agree about this serial number nonsense. I mean, come on guys, that’s just bush league. Seems like it’s always “oops, I forgot to get a new serial number for you guys…”


Geesh, set up a reminder on your computer or your cellphone or whatever. It just shows a lack of respect for customers. You’ve got a group of people who have been, for what, 9 or 10 months, helping you guys find bugs in your software, and you know they’re setting up stuff and using it, and you know they’re gonna have work going on with it. So geesh, at least have a little bit of respect.


I hope it’s not more of that “it’s a privilege” nonsense showing its head.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 05:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 110 ]
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Thanks Daz, now I have a beta that wont work, I know you are all so busy trying to fix the clusterf**k that is the site and all, but thats no excuse, guess i will have to drop back to 8.1 till you sort out a little code for us wink

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Posted: 15 July 2012 06:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 111 ]
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argh! I was trying to get a render node going to speed things up (renders are taking ~4 days on my antiquated hardware) and wasn’t able to get it started. Now the serial won’t work because its the 15th. Now its the weekend so it’ll probably be at least a day before a new serial number is posted. Good thing I don’t mind rolling back the clock (though the render node seems to be more “timely” about complaining than the regular carrara).


Pretty please can we have another serial number? Or a full release?

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Posted: 15 July 2012 07:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 112 ]
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holly wetcircuit - 15 July 2012 02:18 AM

All this “beta privilege” seems to forget there are SERIOUS BUGS in C8.1, including the memory leak that makes animation impossible.


If DAZ would just release a bug fix, rather than holding us all hostage to genesis, this would be a non-issue. I would have even paid for it, but this is ridiculous.

Agreed!  And I agree with some of what Kendall is saying. But this is just a lack of consideration. If they want to end the beta testing - fine, their right to do so. If they want to delay the next update or not extend the current version with an updated serial - that’s fine too. But they need to tell people that. 
It would take about 1 minute for some admin to log in and post a message just telling us what’s going on.  Is a new serial coming out? A new update, or new production release? Or is the whole thing delayed for Xnumber of days. weeks.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 113 ]
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Ugh.
Again?
The big problem here is that 8.5 has been publicly beta-tested now for nearly a year.  Most of us have incorporated many of our projects into the rolling betas, using Genesis content which we’ve purchased for just that purpose, with the intent of being able to just use all of that in the official 8.5 release. 
When these serial numbers expire… poof!  Projects are on hold. 
We can’t just pull everything back to C8 and keep going. 
Even though it hasn’t been officially released, many of us have made an investment, in both time and money, in 8.5.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 114 ]
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It’s all about perspective, though, isn’t it?

I’ve Beta tested for Adobe. You know from day one that they’ll cut you off without a lifeline the moment the expiry date arrives and then not release the finished thing for months (which then costs a fortune and Beta testers don’t get a discount for helping out).

You know what your getting into from day one.

DAZ, however, usually keep issuing Beta upgrades and serials until the release date so you can just drift seamlessly into using the latest release version. AND, if you’re a Platinum Club member you get a discount AND the upgrade price is usually pretty damned reasonable.

This time there’s been an interruption to the process, which I’m sure they’re working to sort out, but we are using Beta software, so if you’re inconvenienced you should really have had a backup plan to allow for this. I was using it for a piece of paid work and, luckily, managed to switch to 8.1 without too much hassle - but I appreciate I shouldn’t have been using Beta software with an expiry date for critical work.

Attacking the DAZ guys is inappropriate here. They don’t owe us anything. The software always had an expiry date. It’s just not the pattern we were expecting.

One company I buy from sells their final release software when it’s way buggier than any Carrara Beta, then charges you for the “upgrade” when all it does is fix the bugs in it from the last release. Now they’ve started selling their software in “Suites” so a $19.99 extension will cost £190.99 to upgrade as it comes in a suite with stuff you don’t need!

As I say. Perspective.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 10:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 115 ]
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In the middle of a project this weekend and serial number expired. C’mon DAZ,team, need the new one today, not next week!

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Posted: 15 July 2012 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 116 ]
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Looks like I’m able to work in trial mode. Thank goodness. Hopefully the Daz team will have a serial number for me next week, but at least I can finish this project and provide feedback on any bugs I find.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 11:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 117 ]
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The forums… the store… now this.


We could have had a C8.2 months and months ago.


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Posted: 15 July 2012 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 118 ]
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Any update on this I’m unable to use the product I paid for.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 12:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 119 ]
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I’m really bummed.

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Posted: 15 July 2012 12:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 120 ]
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Do you think anyone at Daz is reading these posts

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